Unusability of bluetooth is one of the worst plagues in Ubuntu
Guys please, one of the greatest annoyances in Ubuntu is that connecting bluetooth devices (e.g. mobile phones) and exchange files with them is almost impossible, and it has become worse and worse as the latest releases of ubuntu have been released. Just search launchpad for bugs with the bluetooth keyword (don't forget to include non-confirmed bugs). I myself have reported quite a few of them, none of which has even got the importance decided. Oh wait, ONE, which is now 3 years old, has got the wrong low value for importance (while it is at least major). Things like these are the reason why so many people still prefer to pay for shitty operating systems like Windows rather than using Ubuntu for free. -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Unusability of bluetooth is one of the worst plagues in Ubuntu
Um... lemme comment in a few things I see wrong in your email. Firstly, bug importance isn't set based on yours or mine's opinion only, there's certain things that importance is influenced by. (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance). Secondly, the compatability of Bluetooth cards and transceivers with the kernel is an issue. We have the same problem with some wifi cards and even sound cards. Ultimately if there are no Linux drivers for a certain Bluetooth card then either drivers need to be written or the manufacturer has to have Linux drivers made for that. Thirdly, your attitude of anger at this issue, Matteo, by swearing and such in your message, gets us nowhere. As these lists are public, and many many people are on these lists, getting angry on the QA mailing lists doesn't help. Ultimately, yes, I think your points that some features don't work is why Ubuntu hasn't gained a huge amount of use. In the long run these things tend to get fixed though. (As well, we have to typically wait for drivers to be written by either the open source community or the hardware manufacturer before we can truly fix all hardware problems where cards don't work in Linux, though, and creating drivers takes a while and a lot of effort so for that one you need a ton of patience.) -- Thomas *Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos, as they are likely to happen by accident.* On Dec 26, 2013, at 6:25, Matteo Sisti Sette matteosistise...@gmail.com wrote: Guys please, one of the greatest annoyances in Ubuntu is that connecting bluetooth devices (e.g. mobile phones) and exchange files with them is almost impossible, and it has become worse and worse as the latest releases of ubuntu have been released. Just search launchpad for bugs with the bluetooth keyword (don't forget to include non-confirmed bugs). I myself have reported quite a few of them, none of which has even got the importance decided. Oh wait, ONE, which is now 3 years old, has got the wrong low value for importance (while it is at least major). Things like these are the reason why so many people still prefer to pay for shitty operating systems like Windows rather than using Ubuntu for free. -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Unusability of bluetooth is one of the worst plagues in Ubuntu
On 26/12/13 18:07, Thomas Ward wrote: Um... lemme comment in a few things I see wrong in your email. Firstly, bug importance isn't set based on yours or mine's opinion only, there's certain things that importance is influenced by. (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance). Yes, and importance low for such an issue is wrong based on those criteria, not on my or your opinion. (So this wasn't something wrong in my email, but that doesn't matter) Secondly, the compatability of Bluetooth cards and transceivers with the kernel is an issue. We have the same problem with some wifi cards and even sound cards. Ultimately if there are no Linux drivers for a certain Bluetooth card then either drivers need to be written or the manufacturer has to have Linux drivers made for that. Ok, I don't see how that's something wrong in my email, but that's interesting. So, writing drivers for bluetooth cards (if that is the cause of the many issues with bluetooth) is one of the places where effort should be concentrated in order to make Ubuntu quality better. Thirdly, your attitude of anger at this issue, Matteo, by swearing and such in your message, Where did I swear in my message? Oh yes, sorry, shitty operating systems like Windows, that was the only one. Sorry about that. Note that wasn't about anyting related to ubuntu, however. gets us nowhere. I don't expect my anger to get anybody anywhere but I was trying to give a suggestion. IIUC, The QA list is meant to discuss what actions could be taken to improve Ubuntu quality, right? Among which, which categories of bugs may need serious attention. So here's the point I was trying to make: there are a pretty huge bunch of bugs related to bluetooth that are degrading the Ubuntu experience a lot, are even getting worse over time, and are not getting the attention they deserve (which is demonstrated by the fact most of them don't even the importance decided, let alone correctly or not). So that's a problem to take into consideration, just in case it wasn't already, and whether or not the person pointing it out (me) is an hole shouldn't matter a lot. -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Unusability of bluetooth is one of the worst plagues in Ubuntu
Hello Guys! I was following up the interesting conversation about bluetooth compatibility with Ubuntu. May I throw in some of my thoughts here? Thanks. :) I can see the point that is being made by Matteo and certainly hardware that is not usable with Ubuntu is a major problem as of getting Ubuntu widely used. I would question though if bluetooth would be the most major issue. I personally did not have much problem with that for what I was using it for - sending music over to a bluetooth device. Worked with a few click no manual setting or scripting at all. I can see that this was not the issue for you Matteo so of course I can be wrong and it is perhaps very important issue for many people. If I might throw in a suggestion to solve this matter: there could possible be done a survey for people that are using Ubuntu or trying to use it and see what is the issue - hardware or otherwise - that comes up the most. Getting it answered by a number of people - pro's and and amateurs alike - we could get a clear picture of what actually is the major issue and perhaps resources could be directed towards that. I do not think Matteo that you would be an hole even though I do not know you so I might be wrong again. :P And yes, absolutely no swearing on these lists so calm the fck down! (Sorry. LOL Couldn't miss that.) Ml, Gabor On 12/26/2013 06:33 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote: On 26/12/13 18:07, Thomas Ward wrote: Um... lemme comment in a few things I see wrong in your email. Firstly, bug importance isn't set based on yours or mine's opinion only, there's certain things that importance is influenced by. (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance). Yes, and importance low for such an issue is wrong based on those criteria, not on my or your opinion. (So this wasn't something wrong in my email, but that doesn't matter) Secondly, the compatability of Bluetooth cards and transceivers with the kernel is an issue. We have the same problem with some wifi cards and even sound cards. Ultimately if there are no Linux drivers for a certain Bluetooth card then either drivers need to be written or the manufacturer has to have Linux drivers made for that. Ok, I don't see how that's something wrong in my email, but that's interesting. So, writing drivers for bluetooth cards (if that is the cause of the many issues with bluetooth) is one of the places where effort should be concentrated in order to make Ubuntu quality better. Thirdly, your attitude of anger at this issue, Matteo, by swearing and such in your message, Where did I swear in my message? Oh yes, sorry, shitty operating systems like Windows, that was the only one. Sorry about that. Note that wasn't about anyting related to ubuntu, however. gets us nowhere. I don't expect my anger to get anybody anywhere but I was trying to give a suggestion. IIUC, The QA list is meant to discuss what actions could be taken to improve Ubuntu quality, right? Among which, which categories of bugs may need serious attention. So here's the point I was trying to make: there are a pretty huge bunch of bugs related to bluetooth that are degrading the Ubuntu experience a lot, are even getting worse over time, and are not getting the attention they deserve (which is demonstrated by the fact most of them don't even the importance decided, let alone correctly or not). So that's a problem to take into consideration, just in case it wasn't already, and whether or not the person pointing it out (me) is an hole shouldn't matter a lot. -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Unusability of bluetooth is one of the worst plagues in Ubuntu
Maybe it would be possible to qualify this Bluetooth business for hundred paper cuts treatment... I don't expect my anger to get anybody anywhere but I was trying to give a suggestion. IIUC, The QA list is meant to discuss what actions could be taken to improve Ubuntu quality, right? Among which, which categories of bugs may need serious attention. -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Unusability of bluetooth is one of the worst plagues in Ubuntu
My vote for upping the interest level in bluetooth. I wish I could use my bluetooth keyboard every time I test a new build of Ubuntu on a tablet. There's only so much I can do with the soft keyboard, and not just because I'm old with fat fingers and failing eyesight. There are times when I need to see the whole screen *and* type something. And, in the interest of broader-acceptance-of-Ubuntu, users who do serious work on Android/iOS tablets often rely on bluetooth keyboards. -dave On 12/26/2013 11:36 AM, chris hermansen wrote: Maybe it would be possible to qualify this Bluetooth business for hundred paper cuts treatment... I don't expect my anger to get anybody anywhere but I was trying to give a suggestion. IIUC, The QA list is meant to discuss what actions could be taken to improve Ubuntu quality, right? Among which, which categories of bugs may need serious attention. -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Unusability of bluetooth is one of the worst plagues in Ubuntu
Chris, you read my mind :) But, paper cuts do need people to solve them. Were ubuntu (and linux in general) have enough developers and coders then we would be about a decade forward to where we are currently owing to 'secrecy' and the new toy... 'patent'. Totally off topic, but people such as http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25495315 made things happen. Regards, Phill. On 26 December 2013 18:36, chris hermansen clherman...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it would be possible to qualify this Bluetooth business for hundred paper cuts treatment... I don't expect my anger to get anybody anywhere but I was trying to give a suggestion. IIUC, The QA list is meant to discuss what actions could be taken to improve Ubuntu quality, right? Among which, which categories of bugs may need serious attention. -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Unusability of bluetooth is one of the worst plagues in Ubuntu
Phill hit it on the nose. But what we also need to note is that the Bluetooth bugs have different levels of dev experience needed to fix. For new Bluetooth hardware, Linux drivers might not exist, or be obsolete. A kernel dev might need to go in and either fix existing open source drivers, or have to wait for the manufacturer to release Linux drivers, or for the community to make open source ones. I don't think Bluetooth on its own is papercuts-worthy. The software that uses Bluetooth drivers and cards might be, but not the lack of hardware drivers and similar issues. -- Thomas *Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos, as they are likely to happen by accident.* On Dec 26, 2013, at 14:11, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Chris, you read my mind :) But, paper cuts do need people to solve them. Were ubuntu (and linux in general) have enough developers and coders then we would be about a decade forward to where we are currently owing to 'secrecy' and the new toy... 'patent'. Totally off topic, but people such as http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25495315 made things happen. Regards, Phill. On 26 December 2013 18:36, chris hermansen clherman...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it would be possible to qualify this Bluetooth business for hundred paper cuts treatment... I don't expect my anger to get anybody anywhere but I was trying to give a suggestion. IIUC, The QA list is meant to discuss what actions could be taken to improve Ubuntu quality, right? Among which, which categories of bugs may need serious attention. -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Hello all
Welcome Beau, Since you know python, you might want to take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/Developer , since the desktop autopilot tests and testdrive, are written in python. If you'd like to help with games outside of steam, https://wiki.debian.org/Games/Development has most of the info you'll need. On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Beau Warren sefi1...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody My name is Beau, and after several times googling about linux and ubuntu, i finally have it running on my laptop. My main reason for installing was to start building android from source for my nexus devices, and from there my interest in ubuntu grew. I decided to look into ways i can contribute to the community and ended up looking into the QA team. I have had limited coding experience in school (mostly HTML and python, a number of years ago =P) but am interested in learning more. I am also interested in gaming and have been looking into steams involvement in linux gaming. I am currently working my way through the 'get started' section of the community page, but if anyone could direct me to where i could be of use, that would be appreciated. For reference, the system i am currently using is a HP pavillion g6 (intel i7 2.2GHz, 8gb RAM, integrated intel/RadeonHD 7670M) Looking forward to helping out however I can! - Beau Warren -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
