Re: Is fixing bugs a responsibility of this team?
C de-Avillez: The primary activity of the QA team is QA. The primary activity of the BugSquad (and BugControl) team is bug TRIAGING. I thought intuitively that the main activity of the Quality team was to warrant the software to be of quality, while the one of the Bug Squad to reduce bugs. So I couldn't imagine those activities without bug patching. Moreover, done otherwise, it's pretending baking more reports in a day and eating as many as always: you end up with a rising pile of food. -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Is fixing bugs a responsibility of this team?
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 00:35:40 +0100 Alberto Salvia Novella es204904...@gmail.com wrote: snip/ On the other hand there's no role in the Quality team intended for bug fixing, so the activity looks like it has gone orphan. For a reason: QA is *NOT* development. BugSquad is *NOT* development. So these decisions need to be taken: - If to keep or to remove the Bug Squad. It is kept. - Which are the ambit of responsibility of each team. The *primary* activity of the QA team is QA. The *primary activity of the BugSquad (and BugControl) team is bug *TRIAGING*. Neither QA not BugSquad are involved in development (expect for their own tools), and neither of them are involved in *FIXING* bugs (except for their own). These are the TEAMS. A member of one (or both) of these teams may perform other activities as well. - Where the bug fixing activity go. Keeps as it is. I think you are confusing things here. As Pali said, nothing prohibits, or is made to inhibit, anyone trying to fix a bug. No matter what team this person belongs to. In fact, many of us wear many, and sometimes multiple, hats. For example, the fact that I am a developer, belonging to a (code) development team in LP does not prohibit me from doing QA (and lo and behold, finding a bug in a test and fixing it). Cheers, ..C.. -- ab alio expectes alteri quod feceris pgpvUWAgzFCDt.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Is fixing bugs a responsibility of this team?
On 02/11/2015 06:35 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: Pasi Lallinaho: From my point of view, fixing bugs is not one of the intended (primary) activities for QA team developers. Nor is it a supporting task by definition; supporting tasks are something that are either highly recommended or otherwise generally help you get the main goal filled. Of course, developers in the QA team might and most likely will fix bugs. By that definition, anybody who fixes a bug is a member of the QA team. That itself defeats the purpose of specifying the QA team developer role. At some point in time the Bug Squad, who handled the responsibility of fixing bugs, was asked to merge with the Quality team. But this merge was not fully done, and now seems that now is somehow unclear if the Bug Squad is still active and who holds the responsibility of what. If you visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad the page looks like heavily unmaintained; with a meeting scheduled to a past date, broken links in the header, and a notice that asks users to join the Quality team instead. I'll note when this occurred we also defined roles for the team, including the bug triager role: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/BugTriager. You'll find the more traditional activities of the bug squad under that role. As others mentioned, actually fixing the bug in question was never a requested task of the bugsquad, though I'm sure many have done so. Nicholas -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
