Re: NVidia RTX 3060 and 21.04

2021-04-11 Thread chris hermansen
Ed and list,

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 7:20 PM EdLesMann  wrote:

>
> On 4/10/21 10:38 PM, chris hermansen wrote:
>  > Hello again everyone,
>  >
>  > Hoping to beg a bit of advice.  I have a brand new computer with an
> NVidida
>  > RTX 3060 and I'm running the daily 21.04 on it.  Install goes fine but
>  > "after awhile" I seem to end up with a manually installed driver for the
>  > RTX and "after a bit more while" all of a sudden I'm looking at a 1320 X
>  > 768 display.
>  >
>  > I've made this problem go away temporarily with
>  >
>  > sudo apt purge nvidia-\*
>  >
>  > and poof I'm back to a reasonable 1920 x 1080 display.
>  >
>  > As far as I know I did not "manually install" anything.  I'm a bit
> lost as
>  > to how to report this as a bug, given that it's an NVidia thing and also
>  > this weird "manually installed" package.
>  >
>  > If anyone has any suggestions I'd be most grateful.
>  >
>

Ed, thank you very much for the lengthy and useful commentary.  As you
suggested, I looked in /var/log/dpkg.log and found the purge command that I
issued.  Just before that, there is a block of 18 or so lines related to
nvidia linux-modules and nvidia-kernel-common stuff; three of those are
"remove" commands (?) and the rest are all "status" commands (?).  The
stuff I removed with the apt purge is pretty clear.  So I think I'll take a
stab at a bug report involving those packages.

I think I led you astray - this RTX 3060 is sufficiently new that nouveau
doesn't know what it is, so I was trying to revert to the known working
nvidia closed-source drivers from whatever was "manually installed".

Again, thanks a lot!


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Re: NVidia RTX 3060 and 21.04

2021-04-11 Thread EdLesMann


On 4/10/21 10:38 PM, chris hermansen wrote:
> Hello again everyone,
>
> Hoping to beg a bit of advice.  I have a brand new computer with an 
NVidida

> RTX 3060 and I'm running the daily 21.04 on it.  Install goes fine but
> "after awhile" I seem to end up with a manually installed driver for the
> RTX and "after a bit more while" all of a sudden I'm looking at a 1320 X
> 768 display.
>
> I've made this problem go away temporarily with
>
> sudo apt purge nvidia-\*
>
> and poof I'm back to a reasonable 1920 x 1080 display.
>
> As far as I know I did not "manually install" anything.  I'm a bit 
lost as

> to how to report this as a bug, given that it's an NVidia thing and also
> this weird "manually installed" package.
>
> If anyone has any suggestions I'd be most grateful.
>



Greetings,

It's been a long time since I've used Nvidia on Ubuntu. So I'm going to 
start with a package I know. Hopefully I don't simplify my explanation 
to the point of being incorrect. :-D


Linux-generic is a "package" that really isn't a package. It's more like 
a pointer to the latest version of the kernel. If you never flush out 
old kernels when you update, eventually (I think it's three old 
versions??) you will find that the repo no longer lists the kernels as 
available and apt will then basically say "I can't find this package 
anymore in the source list so therefore this package must have been 
installed manually." And that's how you can end up with "manually" 
installed packages that were actually installed by Ubuntu - it happens 
all the time.


My *guess* is that you have an nvidia pointer package that is installing 
drivers for you. Eventually the version you are running is falling out 
of sync with the upstream source and thus your specific version is 
falling into "I can't find it anymore so it must be a manual install".


Also, *IF* I remember correctly NVidia drivers are built to a specific 
version of the kernel but can be "loosely" linked. Thus, an NVidia 
driver for kernel 5.4.0.66.68 could work on 5.4.0.66.69 without 
recompile provided that nothing major changed in the kernel specific to 
its hooks. But eventually, you will update to a version of the kernel 
that isn't loosely linked and if the nvidia driver isn't automatically 
rebuilt with the update then things are going to go very poorly in 
driver quality.


Here's my suspicion. If removing the NVidia drivers solves your problem, 
then you are wanting to stay on the nouveau drivers. Some update some 
where is telling your system to update to the NVidia drivers. They get 
out of sync and those drivers are then listed as "manual". Eventually 
those drivers clash/conflict with the latest kernel update and you end 
up with a bad display. I most often see this kind of thing happen with 
auto-updates in the background that pick the "best" option for you.


[quick side rant]
Telling someone to disable auto-updates is **TERRIBLE** advise. But this 
non-sense about drivers getting out of line is _precisely_ why I disable 
auto-update. I _loath_ it when I leave a perfectly functional system one 
night and log in the next morning to a busted upgrade... But I'm also 
paranoid and responsible enough that I subscribe to all the RSS feeds 
for all the security notices on my systems and I have planned times when 
I apply updates... But because the vast majority of users can't be 
bothered to actually do regular updates, then updates have to be forced 
on them automatically to prevent massive security issues and evil 
botnets which unfortunately means user systems "break unexpectedly".

*sigh*
[end rant]

So what should you do? If you really don't want the NVidia drivers, then 
open up "software sources" and look for the "additional drivers" tab. 
Make sure that NVidia is disabled here. If you *DO* want the NVidia 
drivers, then make sure the appropriate driver is selected (if I recall 
correctly, there's like a stable, beta, and maybe something else?). And 
if you can't find "software sources", drop to the command line and try 
typing `software-properties` then hit the tab key to see if there are 
auto-completes for qt or gtk or whatever. It *should* be installed 
already if you did a default Ubuntu install though.


From that same interface, on a different tab, you can also check to see 
what updates happen, and at what time interval updates are checked for 
and applied. I recommend you at least knowing what frequency this might 
be occurring on your system.


Also, Ubuntu can churn through kernels. I recommend staying on top of 
any automated process that is updating behind the scenes. Knowing when 
and how often your computer is updating the kernel and then verifying if 
it is installing the nvidia drivers along side it might help you narrow 
down the who. Once you find the who - then you can file a bug report.


It's been too long since I've really poked at the auto-update process 
for Ubuntu (besides just flat out turning it off!). I honestly don't 
remember t

NVidia RTX 3060 and 21.04

2021-04-10 Thread chris hermansen
Hello again everyone,

Hoping to beg a bit of advice.  I have a brand new computer with an NVidida
RTX 3060 and I'm running the daily 21.04 on it.  Install goes fine but
"after awhile" I seem to end up with a manually installed driver for the
RTX and "after a bit more while" all of a sudden I'm looking at a 1320 X
768 display.

I've made this problem go away temporarily with

sudo apt purge nvidia-\*

and poof I'm back to a reasonable 1920 x 1080 display.

As far as I know I did not "manually install" anything.  I'm a bit lost as
to how to report this as a bug, given that it's an NVidia thing and also
this weird "manually installed" package.

If anyone has any suggestions I'd be most grateful.

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