Re: Updating daily builds on a daily basis.

[Sanjeev Gupta]

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> Hi Sanjeev,
>
> you are indeed, old fashioned.
>

Phil, I do not need a million Ubuntu users telling me that, I can get
_that_ comment at home, for free :-)  And multiple times a day.


> The builds for testing are done on a cron (automatic) job. Extra ones can
> be triggered in. By insisting on all of the the updates to keep you up to
> date, you cannot help in any testing as no one and no bug report would know
> what you are running on any system.
>
> There is a VERY good reason to to use the iso tracker, and from your
> comments you have never read why [1]. Even as 'old school' I do believe a
> leopard can change its spots. There are up coming sessions for bugs [2] and
> testing [3].
>

I have read the ISO test cases, but ..

I am not helping at all in testing the install from CDROM.  The easy way to
do that is via a VM, which I think has adequate coverage, and installing on
a spare system (that I will lightly use) would be inadequate, I think.

I am trying to assist in running the test-cases that do NOT require CD
installs, but PPA, unity, etc.  Example is the call I saw this week for
evince.  Since I use evince all the time on my main laptop, it is more
likely, IMHO, that I will tickle a bug there.

I know this is not perfect, but it is relatively painless.


> I ask that you attend these sessions where the usage Zsync will be
> explained early on. Using this lowers the data usage across all the servers
> and ensures people have speedy access and the cost to provide them is
> lower, along with being able to make a bug report that can be carried
> forward. Once we have arrived with a test system that others have, we can
> then proceed to test and report upon it.
>

True.  But my idea was to stay on the proposed-updates, and raring, and
feed bug reports into the packages themselves, rather than QA.

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Re: Updating daily builds on a daily basis.

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi Sanjeev,

you are indeed, old fashioned.

The builds for testing are done on a cron (automatic) job. Extra ones can
be triggered in. By insisting on all of the the updates to keep you up to
date, you cannot help in any testing as no one and no bug report would know
what you are running on any system.

There is a VERY good reason to to use the iso tracker, and from your
comments you have never read why [1]. Even as 'old school' I do believe a
leopard can change its spots. There are up coming sessions for bugs [2] and
testing [3].

I ask that you attend these sessions where the usage Zsync will be
explained early on. Using this lowers the data usage across all the servers
and ensures people have speedy access and the cost to provide them is
lower, along with being able to make a bug report that can be carried
forward. Once we have arrived with a test system that others have, we can
then proceed to test and report upon it.

Regards,

Phill.
1. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/U%2B1/partial_upgrade
2. 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom/#Section_
2
3. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom/#Section_3

On 31 January 2013 22:26, Sanjeev Gupta  wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:15 AM, John Kim  wrote:
>
>> Sanjeev Gutpa,
>>
>> So do you only run those two commands at different times throughout the
>> day? Are there any other commands to be aware of?
>>
>
> I sit at my laptop for most of the day, and when there is nothing
> happening, I do:
>
> # apt-get update ; apt-get -d -y dist-upgrade
>
> and leave that running.  I have lots of PPAs, including firefox-next,
> google, etc, so this takes some time.
>
> Then, I immediately, or later, do:
>
> # eatmydata apt-get upgrade
>
> The reason the second command is later, is that I look at changelogs, so
> it is in the foreground (with respect to my attention span).  Also, at one
> time the Google archive was really, really, slow, so the first job was a
> fire-an-forget.
>
> Secondly, the "eatmydata" is a relic of when dpkg on btrfs was so
> sloow, that a day's updates of a dozen packages would take 30
> mins.  Adding "eatmydata" in front makes dpkg's fsync a NOOP.  As I do not
> expect my laptop to crash during the upgrade, I can live without that
> protection.  But then, no one expects the Spanish Inquisition...
>
> (secondly.5) apt-btrfs-snapshot is fantastic.  Just remember to clear old
> snapshots once in a while.
>
> Thirdly, although I pull down packages in the "dist-upgrade" list, I
> install only those in the "upgrade" list, so I see packages being held.
> Once every few days, half-a-dozen packages (eg, python) become upgradable,
> and get installed as a batch.
>
> How can I ensure that by running those two commands, I get the daily build
>> from the uk.archive.ubuntu.com archive? Because by default, mine is set
>> to us.archive.ubuntu.com.
>>
>
> Firstly, this is not exactly equivalent to the "daily build", which
> applies to the CDs, I think.  With the apt method, you may be a few hours
> ahead of the daily build; including stuff that entered the archive after
> the nightly build happened.  Assuming you are in Korea, (I am in Singapore)
> so our idea of build times do not match Mr Shuttleworth's :-)
>
> On the UK vs US archive, my reasoning is just not having to wait an entire
> 2 hours   I want my .debs NOW!  So I look at the rsync trace files
> in /ubuntu/project/trace on the mirror, and see where it is syncing from,
> and try to move closer to Canonical.  Again, this may not help, if the
> primary has bad bandwidth to you.
>
> See: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors  for archive delay
> times.  But this is just an over-optimisation on my part.
>
> The last bit of optimisation is because apt-get runs multiple fetches for
> each archive specified, but serialises all fetches from the same archive.
> So something like:
>
> deb http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring main restricted
> deb http://jp.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal-updates main restricted
> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring universe
> deb http://hk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal-updates universe
> deb http://jp.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring multiverse
> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal-updates multiverse
>
> means that my apt-get downloads happen in parallel
>
> Hope this helps.
>
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Re: Updating daily builds on a daily basis.

[Sanjeev Gupta]

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:15 AM, John Kim  wrote:

> Sanjeev Gutpa,
>
> So do you only run those two commands at different times throughout the
> day? Are there any other commands to be aware of?
>

I sit at my laptop for most of the day, and when there is nothing
happening, I do:

# apt-get update ; apt-get -d -y dist-upgrade

and leave that running.  I have lots of PPAs, including firefox-next,
google, etc, so this takes some time.

Then, I immediately, or later, do:

# eatmydata apt-get upgrade

The reason the second command is later, is that I look at changelogs, so it
is in the foreground (with respect to my attention span).  Also, at one
time the Google archive was really, really, slow, so the first job was a
fire-an-forget.

Secondly, the "eatmydata" is a relic of when dpkg on btrfs was so
sloow, that a day's updates of a dozen packages would take 30
mins.  Adding "eatmydata" in front makes dpkg's fsync a NOOP.  As I do not
expect my laptop to crash during the upgrade, I can live without that
protection.  But then, no one expects the Spanish Inquisition...

(secondly.5) apt-btrfs-snapshot is fantastic.  Just remember to clear old
snapshots once in a while.

Thirdly, although I pull down packages in the "dist-upgrade" list, I
install only those in the "upgrade" list, so I see packages being held.
Once every few days, half-a-dozen packages (eg, python) become upgradable,
and get installed as a batch.

How can I ensure that by running those two commands, I get the daily build
> from the uk.archive.ubuntu.com archive? Because by default, mine is set
> to us.archive.ubuntu.com.
>

Firstly, this is not exactly equivalent to the "daily build", which applies
to the CDs, I think.  With the apt method, you may be a few hours ahead of
the daily build; including stuff that entered the archive after the nightly
build happened.  Assuming you are in Korea, (I am in Singapore) so our idea
of build times do not match Mr Shuttleworth's :-)

On the UK vs US archive, my reasoning is just not having to wait an entire
2 hours   I want my .debs NOW!  So I look at the rsync trace files
in /ubuntu/project/trace on the mirror, and see where it is syncing from,
and try to move closer to Canonical.  Again, this may not help, if the
primary has bad bandwidth to you.

See: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors  for archive delay
times.  But this is just an over-optimisation on my part.

The last bit of optimisation is because apt-get runs multiple fetches for
each archive specified, but serialises all fetches from the same archive.
So something like:

deb http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring main restricted
deb http://jp.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal-updates main restricted
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring universe
deb http://hk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal-updates universe
deb http://jp.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring multiverse
deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal-updates multiverse

means that my apt-get downloads happen in parallel

Hope this helps.
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Re: Updating daily builds on a daily basis.

[Nicholas Skaggs]

Fabio, I think you win for the least keystrokes needed! :-)

On 01/31/2013 03:02 PM, Fabio Marconi wrote:

On 31/01/2013 18:57, John Kim wrote:

Hello ubuntu-qa,

I'm John Kim. Yesterday, I installed Ubuntu 13.04 Raring daily build 
from the cdimage.ubuntu.com site on my laptop, and I'm glad to say it 
works really great.  (It wasn't the same for my desktop, however :[ ) 
To ensure that my computer is completely up-to-date with the daily 
build, what commands help me achieve it?


I was thinking just doing:

$ sudo apt-get update

$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade





I prefere press Super, type up, and press enter.
So i run under update manager




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Re: Updating daily builds on a daily basis.

[Fabio Marconi]

On 31/01/2013 18:57, John Kim wrote:
> Hello ubuntu-qa,
>
> I'm John Kim. Yesterday, I installed Ubuntu 13.04 Raring daily build
> from the cdimage.ubuntu.com site on my laptop, and I'm glad to say it
> works really great.  (It wasn't the same for my desktop, however :[ )
> To ensure that my computer is completely up-to-date with the daily
> build, what commands help me achieve it? 
>
> I was thinking just doing:
>
> $ sudo apt-get update
>
> $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade 
>
>
>
>
I prefere press Super, type up, and press enter.
So i run under update manager
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Re: Updating daily builds on a daily basis.

[Nicholas Skaggs]

John, I update on occasion - no obsession about updating everyday or 
anything like that. When I do update, the important thing is to make 
sure the upgrade will go cleanly. Don't update if it's going to remove 
important packages, or do something undesirable. This is quite a rare 
occurrence (I haven't seen it yet this cycle), but it is possible. 
Things like not all the packages needed to update are in the archive at 
the time you update, etc, can case this. It's why daily builds also 
sometimes fail. That said, I do update via the command line, apt-get 
update, apt-get dist-upgrade.



Nicholas

On 01/31/2013 02:15 PM, John Kim wrote:

Sanjeev Gutpa,

So do you only run those two commands at different times throughout 
the day? Are there any other commands to be aware of?


How can I ensure that by running those two commands, I get the daily 
build from the uk.archive.ubuntu.com archive? Because by default, mine 
is set to us.archive.ubuntu.com.


Thanks.

John Kim

On ?, 1? 31, 2013 at 10:18 ??, Sanjeev Gupta  wrote:
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:57 AM, John Kim > wrote:



I was thinking just doing:

$ sudo apt-get update

$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade


at around noon in my timezone daily is the only sequence.  Can I
be missing something?


I have been doing this since 11.10, staying with daily updates to 
Ubuntu+1.


Two observations:

 1. I see updates throughout the day, not just noon. Sometimes I see
updates three or more times in a workday.
 2. Using uk.archive.ubuntu.com  ,
seems to have updates a few hours faster.


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Re: Updating daily builds on a daily basis.

[John Kim]

Sanjeev Gutpa, 

So do you only run those two commands at different times throughout the day? 
Are there any other commands to be aware of?

How can I ensure that by running those two commands, I get the daily build from 
the uk.archive.ubuntu.com archive? Because by default, mine is set to 
us.archive.ubuntu.com.

Thanks.

John Kim

On 목, 1월 31, 2013 at 10:18 오전, Sanjeev Gupta  wrote:
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:57 AM, John Kim  wrote:

I was thinking just doing:

$ sudo apt-get update
$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade 

at around noon in my timezone daily is the only sequence.  Can I be missing 
something?  

I have been doing this since 11.10, staying with daily updates to Ubuntu+1.

Two observations:
I see updates throughout the day, not just noon.  Sometimes I see updates three 
or more times in a workday.
Using uk.archive.ubuntu.com , seems to have updates a few hours faster.

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Re: Updating daily builds on a daily basis.

[Sanjeev Gupta]

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:57 AM, John Kim  wrote:

>
> I was thinking just doing:
>
> $ sudo apt-get update
>
> $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
>
>
> at around noon in my timezone daily is the only sequence.  Can I be
> missing something?
>

I have been doing this since 11.10, staying with daily updates to Ubuntu+1.

Two observations:

   1. I see updates throughout the day, not just noon.  Sometimes I see
   updates three or more times in a workday.
   2. Using uk.archive.ubuntu.com , seems to have updates a few hours
   faster.


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Updating daily builds on a daily basis.

[John Kim]

Hello ubuntu-qa,

I'm John Kim. Yesterday, I installed Ubuntu 13.04 Raring daily build from the 
cdimage.ubuntu.com site on my laptop, and I'm glad to say it works really 
great.  (It wasn't the same for my desktop, however :[ ) To ensure that my 
computer is completely up-to-date with the daily build, what commands help me 
achieve it? 

I was thinking just doing:

$ sudo apt-get update
$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade 

at around noon in my timezone daily is the only sequence.  Can I be missing 
something?  

Thanks,

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