Re: Quick intro
Hi John!
I recently started helping on the server guide as well, and so here are a
few tips I can share:
- Follow the procedure outlined here [1] for the source checkout and
lanchpad/bzr integration.
- Using LXC containers, it's very simple to spin up a new, pristine Ubuntu
Saucy machine ("sudo lxc-create -n saucy -t ubuntu -- --release saucy -b
(you username)" should get you started). Then simply login to it via ssh
("sudo lxc-ls --fancy" will get you the IP address of your new machine),
and follow the article you picked to the letter, or confirm your bug, etc...
- Make sure you run "scripts/validate.sh" on your modified article, I
somehow overlooked this instruction at first, but it is very helpful and
saves reviewers a lot of time.
Glad to see your interest on the server guide! Don't hesitate to join the
server guide helpers team here [2] and join the mailing list (it's not very
active right now but hopefully that will change :) )
Cheers,
- Chris
[1]:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/UbuntuServerGuide
[2]: https://launchpad.net/~serverguide-helpers
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:11 AM, John Kim wrote:
> Hi ServerGuide helpers,
>
> My name is John, and I would like to help out in the Serverguide project.
>
> I am interested in fixing some serverguide bugs very soon, but I have a
> few questions. First of all, do I need to set up an Ubuntu Server test
> machine? If so, how can I do it? Before I tackle the bugs, I know I must
> confirm them first on a local machine. How else can I get started?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> John Kim
>
> --
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> ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server
> More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
>
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Re: Quick intro
On 06/14/2013 12:39 AM, John Kim wrote: > I'm confused whether I should stick go virtualization within a distro or > dedicate a machine to the bleeding edge ubuntu server. Use LXC. -p -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
Re: Quick intro
I'm confused whether I should stick go virtualization within a distro or
dedicate a machine to the bleeding edge ubuntu server.
Personally, I had a terrible experience with virtualization with testdrive. it
took forever for the system to load, and I felt as if I had to constantly go
through the install process and not actually run the operating system on the
spot.
What especially bothered me was when I was brought to the partitioning step. I
might want to try vagrant, but if I were to use it or any virtualization
solution, does it actually take up space in the hard drive? I'm guessing this
would entail me to run the operating system straight from virtualization.
please correct me if I'm wrong. I really want to be confident before I move
forward.
Chris Glass wrote:
>Hi John!
>
>I recently started helping on the server guide as well, and so here are
>a
>few tips I can share:
>- Follow the procedure outlined here [1] for the source checkout and
>lanchpad/bzr integration.
>- Using LXC containers, it's very simple to spin up a new, pristine
>Ubuntu
>Saucy machine ("sudo lxc-create -n saucy -t ubuntu -- --release saucy
>-b
>(you username)" should get you started). Then simply login to it via
>ssh
>("sudo lxc-ls --fancy" will get you the IP address of your new
>machine),
>and follow the article you picked to the letter, or confirm your bug,
>etc...
>- Make sure you run "scripts/validate.sh" on your modified article, I
>somehow overlooked this instruction at first, but it is very helpful
>and
>saves reviewers a lot of time.
>
>Glad to see your interest on the server guide! Don't hesitate to join
>the
>server guide helpers team here [2] and join the mailing list (it's not
>very
>active right now but hopefully that will change :) )
>
>Cheers,
>
>- Chris
>
>[1]:
>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/UbuntuServerGuide
>[2]: https://launchpad.net/~serverguide-helpers
>
>
>
>On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:11 AM, John Kim
>wrote:
>
>> Hi ServerGuide helpers,
>>
>> My name is John, and I would like to help out in the Serverguide
>project.
>>
>> I am interested in fixing some serverguide bugs very soon, but I have
>a
>> few questions. First of all, do I need to set up an Ubuntu Server
>test
>> machine? If so, how can I do it? Before I tackle the bugs, I know I
>must
>> confirm them first on a local machine. How else can I get started?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>> John Kim
>>
>> --
>> ubuntu-server mailing list
>> ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server
>> More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
>>
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Re: Quick intro
saucy server daily is available. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ Backporting alone seems far to great a task for just one person. Is there any documentation in aiding this process? I would love to help, but how is it done? Peter Matulis wrote: >On 06/13/2013 08:53 AM, John Kim wrote: >> Hello Peter, >> >> I thought since our primary focus is saucy, we develop the docs for >> saucy. What I mean is we verify precise and raring bugs to see if >> they're present in saucy. > >After some discussion, yes, this is essentially what we should be >doing. > You can even forget Precise. Install Raring to both verify existing >bugs and to test their fixes. Once a daily or beta is published then >you should switch to Saucy. > >As Doug alluded to elsewhere in this thread, there is currently a lack >of people-power to backport fixes to the older releases. I will >personally endeavour to capture the nastier bugs and backport them in >batches to at least the previous LTS release (Precise at this time). > >> And about setting up a server, it could be just any computer into the >> house (not a full-fledged server machine)? I'm a complete newbie to >> servers as I have never played with one before. > >You got it backwards. A desktop machine is full-fledged. A newly >installed server is very lean and requires much less resources. Others >have recommended KVM but LXC is even easier (not good for kernel >testing >though). > >-pmatulis -- John Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.-- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
Re: Quick intro
On 06/13/2013 08:53 AM, John Kim wrote: > Hello Peter, > > I thought since our primary focus is saucy, we develop the docs for > saucy. What I mean is we verify precise and raring bugs to see if > they're present in saucy. After some discussion, yes, this is essentially what we should be doing. You can even forget Precise. Install Raring to both verify existing bugs and to test their fixes. Once a daily or beta is published then you should switch to Saucy. As Doug alluded to elsewhere in this thread, there is currently a lack of people-power to backport fixes to the older releases. I will personally endeavour to capture the nastier bugs and backport them in batches to at least the previous LTS release (Precise at this time). > And about setting up a server, it could be just any computer into the > house (not a full-fledged server machine)? I'm a complete newbie to > servers as I have never played with one before. You got it backwards. A desktop machine is full-fledged. A newly installed server is very lean and requires much less resources. Others have recommended KVM but LXC is even easier (not good for kernel testing though). -pmatulis -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
RE: Quick intro
On 2013.06.13 06:15 Jorge Castro wrote: > Virtualization really helps here, you can just test on virtual > machines on your desktop and throw them away and rebuild them as > necessary. As a bonus you can follow these guides and start improving > them as you go along: > https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/libvirt.html > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM Instead of the 12.04 serverguide, I recommend the 13.04 serverguide (even for a 12.04 install): https://help.ubuntu.com/13.04/serverguide/libvirt.html as changes were made to the libvirt area. The changes have not been backported to 12.04, nor do I expect that they will. Why? Insufficient resources. ... Doug -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
Re: Quick intro
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:53 AM, John Kim wrote: > And about setting up a server, it could be just any computer into the house > (not a full-fledged server machine)? I'm a complete newbie to servers as I > have never played with one before. Thanks for showing up to the party! Virtualization really helps here, you can just test on virtual machines on your desktop and throw them away and rebuild them as necessary. As a bonus you can follow these guides and start improving them as you go along: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/libvirt.html https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM I like to keep a set of VMs around, one for each major release, etc. Another option is using Vagrant, which is a nice wrapper around Virtualbox for developers. We now publish Vagrant images http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/vagrant/ but it appears we have no documentation on how to use it, how developers should use it, and common workflows, so if you want to learn a new tool we could really use help here. -- Jorge Castro Canonical Ltd. http://juju.ubuntu.com -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
Re: Quick intro
Hello Peter, I thought since our primary focus is saucy, we develop the docs for saucy. What I mean is we verify precise and raring bugs to see if they're present in saucy. And about setting up a server, it could be just any computer into the house (not a full-fledged server machine)? I'm a complete newbie to servers as I have never played with one before. Peter Matulis wrote: >On 06/12/2013 08:11 PM, John Kim wrote: >> Hi ServerGuide helpers, >> >> My name is John, and I would like to help out in the Serverguide >project. > >Great, we could use more help. > >> I am interested in fixing some serverguide bugs very soon, but I have >a >> few questions. First of all, do I need to set up an Ubuntu Server >test >> machine?If so, how can I do it? Before I tackle the bugs, I know I >must >> confirm them first on a local machine. How else can I get started? > >Yes, you would need to confirm a bug by verifying it on the release in >question. Since most bugs being corrected at this time would be for >either Precise or Raring you should install both of those. I recommend >some variety of virtualization (LXC, KVM). > >p.s. There is also the more focused mailing list for the Guide (that >you >are already subscribed to): > >serverguide-help...@lists.launchpad.net > >-pmatulis -- John Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.-- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
Re: Quick intro
On 06/12/2013 08:11 PM, John Kim wrote: > Hi ServerGuide helpers, > > My name is John, and I would like to help out in the Serverguide project. Great, we could use more help. > I am interested in fixing some serverguide bugs very soon, but I have a > few questions. First of all, do I need to set up an Ubuntu Server test > machine?If so, how can I do it? Before I tackle the bugs, I know I must > confirm them first on a local machine. How else can I get started? Yes, you would need to confirm a bug by verifying it on the release in question. Since most bugs being corrected at this time would be for either Precise or Raring you should install both of those. I recommend some variety of virtualization (LXC, KVM). p.s. There is also the more focused mailing list for the Guide (that you are already subscribed to): serverguide-help...@lists.launchpad.net -pmatulis -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
