Re: What is the makeup of the server team?
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:58:50 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the makeup of the Ubuntu server team? More specifically, does it include influential representation from people (sorta like me) who are attempting to scrape out a living deploying Ubuntu on bottom-of-the-barrel lowest low-end hardware, installing those machines in deplorable conditions, and with nothing remotely resembling an I/T infrastructure (facilities or people) to support the server? I do Ubuntu Server deployment for living. My company employs two system administrators that do nothing except administrating over 100 ubuntu servers. It's a young company, but as Ubuntu server, it also has rapid development. None of the people working in this company is developer, but I tend to help Ubuntu Server development with problems I notice in production. There are also some stuff which are of big interest to me (or my company) and I tend to devote my time to push my interest into Ubuntu Server, so that I can have even easier life. I I can't have anything but good words for Ubuntu Server developers (including both community and Canonical side). Does that help? :) -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
Re: What is the makeup of the server team?
.. Original Message ... On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:58:50 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know nothing about the makeup or organization of the server team (or any of Ubuntu for that matter). Laying awake last night retracing my unfortunate flame war with Soren, I began to ponder root causes. And I came up with an answer. Even though it may be wrong. So I'm hoping to gain some information and understanding by asking an odd question... What's the makeup of the Ubuntu server team? More specifically, does it include influential representation from people (sorta like me) who are attempting to scrape out a living deploying Ubuntu on bottom-of-the-barrel lowest low-end hardware, installing those machines in deplorable conditions, and with nothing remotely resembling an I/T infrastructure (facilities or people) to support the server? The above isn't intended to form the basis of an accusation or complaint. I just sense a big difficult-to-cross gulf between folks who, for example, have the ability to remotely manipulate a server that isn't even running versus those of us out here in the hillbilly backwater who think that a high end server is one with a CD-ROM drive. (I can elaborate but am trying to avoid rambling.) Can someone give me a thumbnail of the makeup and organization of the server team? It's varied. Some are employed by Canonical to develop Ubuntu Server. Some, like myself, are community developers who are here on our own time for our own reasons. There are also people involved who are users of Ubuntu Server, but rather fewer of those. As such thing go, Ubuntu Server is relatively young. More input is certainly welcome. To get rather more directly to your point, most of the people here are developing what you are using. It's not like we don't know it's imperfect, but we also know how much effort has gone into making it better and why, perhaps, certain thing didn't get done in time for Hardy. Welcome, Scott K -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
RE: What is the makeup of the server team?
Sorry for top posting but I would agree with Dan, I'm a simple user of Ubuntu Server that is interested in the direction that it will be taking. I'm not nearly a developer, and have very intermediate skills I would say. I think that Michaels question was more towards the Ubuntu/Canonnical side of things though, and not so much as to who is on the Ubuntu Server Mailing List. ~Steven From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Trevino Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:27 PM To: Michael Hipp Cc: ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: What is the makeup of the server team? I'm more on your side of the fence than the developer side. While I've been saddled with some real work projects that haven't allowed me time to do anything Ubuntu server related in the past 6 months, when i did have time, I found the developers helpful. That being said, I've found this team is more of a server contribution team than a server support team. dan On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know nothing about the makeup or organization of the server team (or any of Ubuntu for that matter). Laying awake last night retracing my unfortunate flame war with Soren, I began to ponder root causes. And I came up with an answer. Even though it may be wrong. So I'm hoping to gain some information and understanding by asking an odd question... What's the makeup of the Ubuntu server team? More specifically, does it include influential representation from people (sorta like me) who are attempting to scrape out a living deploying Ubuntu on bottom-of-the-barrel lowest low-end hardware, installing those machines in deplorable conditions, and with nothing remotely resembling an I/T infrastructure (facilities or people) to support the server? The above isn't intended to form the basis of an accusation or complaint. I just sense a big difficult-to-cross gulf between folks who, for example, have the ability to remotely manipulate a server that isn't even running versus those of us out here in the hillbilly backwater who think that a high end server is one with a CD-ROM drive. (I can elaborate but am trying to avoid rambling.) Can someone give me a thumbnail of the makeup and organization of the server team? Thanks, Michael Hipp After you cross the creek, turn at the first gate, drive past the hay barn and park under the big sweetgum tree. Your server will be ready as soon as I've fixed the downed fences over in the northwest corner. -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.commailto:ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, purge it and do not disseminate or copy it. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, purge it and do not disseminate or copy it. -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
Re: What is the makeup of the server team?
On Wednesday 27 August 2008 16:38:04 Miano, Steven M. wrote: Sorry for top posting but I would agree with Dan, I'm a simple user of Ubuntu Server that is interested in the direction that it will be taking. I'm not nearly a developer, and have very intermediate skills I would say. I think that Michaels question was more towards the Ubuntu/Canonnical side of things though, and not so much as to who is on the Ubuntu Server Mailing List. Among the active developers (some of which are employed by Canonical and some of which are not), I think we tend to be somewhat varied in our backgrounds. Most of the community developers do not, I don't think, work for large companies with huge budgets. I certainly understand that there are applications where reliability is more important than data integrity, but the reverse is also true. Scott K -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
Re: What is the makeup of the server team?
Miano, Steven M. wrote: Sorry for top posting but I would agree with Dan, I’m a simple user of Ubuntu Server that is interested in the direction that it will be taking. This list/team obviously mixes developpers, users and admins and as noted, conveys both a role of user's forum and developper mailing list. The team being quite new, it is quite usual to only have one list that mixes the two as long as the traffic remains reasonable, and eventually split it later on, when it starts to make sense to do so. I’m not nearly a developer, and have very intermediate skills I would say. There are many ways in which one can contribute, and coding is certainly only one of them. Some members of the team spend time helping other on the forums, irc, here, and this is crucial. Some other write documentation, wiki pages, white papers or just notes, this is also very usefull. Others contribute just by providing feedback, user experience (good or bad), describing a particular use case which might need a bit more love, reporting bugs or suggesting enhancement, this is fundamental. Also beta testers, by verifying that what we have implemented does indeed solve their need, play an important role in insuring that we release a good product. I am sure this list is not quite exhaustive, but in any case, feel free to jump in, and contribute whatever you can, whether it is a minute or a year, it still counts! I think that Michaels question was more towards the Ubuntu/Canonnical side of things though, and not so much as to who is on the Ubuntu Server Mailing List. On the Canonical side of things, I, as the product manager for Ubuntu Server Edition, am always available and really welcome having exchanges with any user of Ubuntu Server Edition. If you have confidential subjects you'd like to talk about, or are just not sure whether your subject is worth sending to the whole, feel free to bug me, it's my job to be bugged ;) I am known as nijaba on irc (join #ubuntu-server on freenode) and generally answer promptly to emails. Cheers, Nick signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
