Re: Server Team 20080604 meeting minutes

2008-06-06 Thread Dan Shearer
On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 05:04:30PM -0500, Dustin Kirkland wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Dan Shearer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There is also a moinmoin template to use when creating the corresponding
> > wiki page, I'll be doing that next exciting step tonight.
> 
> True.
> 
> For completeness, that url is:
>  * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecSpec

That tells you how to write a Spec. To actually use the template you add
a new page in the wiki, then click on SpecTemplate instead of "Create
Page". That will give you a new page based on that template with the
name you chose.

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Re: Server Team 20080604 meeting minutes

2008-06-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday 05 June 2008 14:58, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:51:13 -0400 Mathias Gug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >Here are the minutes of the meeting. They can also be found online with
> >
> >the irc logs here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080604.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > State of specifications 
> >
> >mathiaz reminded that the deadline for specifications is tomorrow
> >(Thursday, June 5th) and that the approver should be set to dendrobates
> >in LP. ScottK and neallmcb wondered if there was a list of blueprints
> >targeted for intrepid somewhere. dendrobates said that such a list would
> >be available next week under the ubuntu-server launchpad blueprints [1].
> >Once the list is finalized mathiaz will add them to the Ubuntu Server
> >Team Roadmap [2].
> >
> >[1]: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/
> >[2]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap
>
> There appear to be things missing off of the list from what was discussed
> at UDS.  How does the community add to this?  Unless I missed a button
> somwhere, my LP foo is no longer sufficient to create a new spec.
>
> Scott K

So the Launchpad UI is up to its usual standards.  There was in fact a way I 
could do it (as suggested).  I've now added:

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-flavors

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Re: Server Team 20080604 meeting minutes

2008-06-05 Thread Neal McBurnett
On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 05:04:30PM -0500, Dustin Kirkland wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Dan Shearer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There is also a moinmoin template to use when creating the corresponding
> > wiki page, I'll be doing that next exciting step tonight.
> 
> For completeness, that url is:
>  * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecSpec

Matthew East and I noticed that the proper way to do this, via
something named xxxTemplate, wasn't there.  Matthew dug up a recent
version of SpecTemplate and put it back up.  It also shows up in the
list of available templates when you create a new page:

 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecTemplate

Cheers,

Neal McBurnett http://mcburnett.org/neal/

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Re: Server Team 20080604 meeting minutes

2008-06-05 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Dan Shearer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is also a moinmoin template to use when creating the corresponding
> wiki page, I'll be doing that next exciting step tonight.

True.

For completeness, that url is:
 * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecSpec

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Re: Server Team 20080604 meeting minutes

2008-06-05 Thread Dan Shearer
On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 03:53:35PM -0500, Dustin Kirkland wrote:
> I think *anyone* can create a blueprint, starting at this page:
>  * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/

I agree.

> I, too, was confused by a lack of that button on several pages from

There's more confusion when you try to associate it with a project, you
first create the blueprint and then select "subscribe someone else" on
the left hand side.

There is also a moinmoin template to use when creating the corresponding
wiki page, I'll be doing that next exciting step tonight.

But on the whole, a great idea.

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Re: Server Team 20080604 meeting minutes

2008-06-05 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There appear to be things missing off of the list from what was discussed
> at UDS.  How does the community add to this?  Unless I missed a button
> somwhere, my LP foo is no longer sufficient to create a new spec.

Scott-

I think *anyone* can create a blueprint, starting at this page:
 * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/

Look for a blue, "Register a Blueprint" button.

I, too, was confused by a lack of that button on several pages from
which I expected to see that button.  Namely on "My Blueprints" page,
as well as the the Ubuntu Server blueprints page.

If this describes your situation, and you think that button should be
added elsewhere, perhaps you can add a comment to this bug:
 * https://bugs.launchpad.net/blueprint/+bug/120582

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Re: Server Team 20080604 meeting minutes

2008-06-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:51:13 -0400 Mathias Gug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Here are the minutes of the meeting. They can also be found online with

>the irc logs here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080604.

>
>
>
> State of specifications 
>
>mathiaz reminded that the deadline for specifications is tomorrow
>(Thursday, June 5th) and that the approver should be set to dendrobates
>in LP. ScottK and neallmcb wondered if there was a list of blueprints
>targeted for intrepid somewhere. dendrobates said that such a list would
>be available next week under the ubuntu-server launchpad blueprints [1].
>Once the list is finalized mathiaz will add them to the Ubuntu Server
>Team Roadmap [2].
>
>[1]: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/
>[2]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap
>
There appear to be things missing off of the list from what was discussed 
at UDS.  How does the community add to this?  Unless I missed a button 
somwhere, my LP foo is no longer sufficient to create a new spec.

Scott K

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Server Team 20080604 meeting minutes

2008-06-05 Thread Mathias Gug
Hi,

Here are the minutes of the meeting. They can also be found online with
the irc logs here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080604.



 State of specifications 

mathiaz reminded that the deadline for specifications is tomorrow
(Thursday, June 5th) and that the approver should be set to dendrobates
in LP. ScottK and neallmcb wondered if there was a list of blueprints
targeted for intrepid somewhere. dendrobates said that such a list would
be available next week under the ubuntu-server launchpad blueprints [1].
Once the list is finalized mathiaz will add them to the Ubuntu Server
Team Roadmap [2].

[1]: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/
[2]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap

 Openldap 2.4.9 for 8.04.1 

zul raised the issue of uploading openldap 2.4.9 to hardy as an SRU.
2.4.9 fixes  a number of bugs [3] after 2.4.7 was released (113 Fixed
upstream bugs between 2.4.7 to 2.4.9). Moreover syncrepl is not usable
in 2.4.7 and upstream advised us to not use 2.4.7 during UDS. slangasek
stated that he would like to be able to weigh how many of these changes
are critical, user-affecting bugs vs. fixes we could live without that
may carry regressions. zul volunteered to classify the bugs to have a
better view of what types of fixes have been included in 2.4.9 (syncrepl
fixes, crashers, etc...). mathiaz and jdstrand also suggested to run the
built-in test suite to catch regressions.

ACTION: zul to break down the list of bugs fixed in 2.4.9 by categories
(syncrepl, crashers, etc...) and upload his package to his ppa[4].

[3]: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15061279/changelog
[4]: https://launchpad.net/~zulcss/+archive

 Ubuntu Server Blog 

mathiaz announced that he created an  Ubuntu Server Blog [5] as per the
discussion during the Ubuntu Server community session at UDS. ScottK
asked whether others developers would be able to contribute.  mathiaz
said he hoped so in the mid-term. But first he'd like to figure out an
editorial policy.

[5]: http://ubuntuserver.wordpress.com/

There were some suggestions about the type of content that should end up
on the blog:

  * minutes of the Server Team meeting.
  * updates on development work posted by developers.
  * demystify discussions that we all understand but leave our user-base with
questions.

owh suggested that people can post contribution somewhere, that would
then be reviewed before landing on the blog. mathiaz stated that such
contributions and other suggestions about the Blog editorial policy
should be emailed to him.

 Webmin and ebox discussion on ubuntu-user 

owh reported that there were some discussions on ubuntu-user about
webmin and ebox[6]. He asked why the Ubuntu Server team doesn't
recommend webmin. mathiaz answered that webmin gives to much power to
the target users and tends to break existing configurations. webmin is a
web front end to edit configuration files.  nealmcb added that ebox has
a higher-level notion of what the user is probably trying to do, rather
than being closely tied to config file syntax.

[6]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2008-May/147651.html

 Limesurvey 

kees verified the new version of Limesurvey: unfortunately not all
issues that he reported have been solved (or correctly solved) in the
latest version. After some discussions, it was decided to run limesurvey
on an isolated server hosted on the Ubuntu infrastructure.

 Agree on next meeting date and time 

mathiaz sent out a new proposal [7] for the meeting. It was decided to
move the meeting to Tuesday at 15:00 UTC.

[7]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2008-June/001561.html

Next meeting will be on Tuesday, June 10th at 15:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.

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