[Bug 1447142] Re: systemd: ntpdate is started too soon (before the network)
Laurent, Thank you for your reply. > I guess that Ubuntu systems with ntp installed would boot a little faster if ntp was not doing useless work by getting started before the network is fully up. That's reasonable, though then this bug should be of low importance I think, as the impact to users is relatively small. > Perhaps, but timesyncd is not activated by default. Ah. I had forgotten before, but now I remember that I was told that timesyncd is automatically deactivated if ntp is installed. > While timesyncd is probably a fine alternative to ntp, this is a bug in ntp and Ubuntu would be a better system with this bug fixed (or ntp removed and timesyncd activated by default). Actually ntp isn't installed by default, and thus I believe that timesyncd is activated by default, but isn't on your system because ntp is installed. I accept that prior to Vivid timesyncd wasn't an option, so it was perfectly reasonable for users to install ntp manually, and then after upgrade if this is broken then that is a bug. But I think the breakage is just the suboptimal attempt to sync time at boot, right? If time with ntp stays synced later without issues, then I'll set Importance to Low on this basis. If I'm wrong in my understanding then we can change this. ** Changed in: ntp (Ubuntu) Importance: High => Low -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to ntp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1447142 Title: systemd: ntpdate is started too soon (before the network) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/1447142/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1447142] Re: systemd: ntpdate is started too soon (before the network)
> Can you explain why this is actually a problem please? I guess that Ubuntu systems with ntp installed would boot a little faster if ntp was not doing useless work by getting started before the network is fully up. > Won't timesyncd suffice on a desktop that uses NetworkManager now? Perhaps, but timesyncd is not activated by default. I had to type this command to activate it: # timedatectl set-ntp true While timesyncd is probably a fine alternative to ntp, this is a bug in ntp and Ubuntu would be a better system with this bug fixed (or ntp removed and timesyncd activated by default). > Is the time on your system actually falling out of sync, or is the problem > just the noise of the error message? Time is fine on my system, but the noise of the error messages is a problem in itself. ** Changed in: ntp (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete => New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to ntp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1447142 Title: systemd: ntpdate is started too soon (before the network) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/1447142/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1447142] Re: systemd: ntpdate is started too soon (before the network)
Once you're replied, please change the bug status back to New. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to ntp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1447142 Title: systemd: ntpdate is started too soon (before the network) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/1447142/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1447142] Re: systemd: ntpdate is started too soon (before the network)
Thank you for reporting this bug and helping to make Ubuntu better. Can you explain why this is actually a problem please? Won't timesyncd suffice on a desktop that uses NetworkManager now? Is the time on your system actually falling out of sync, or is the problem just the noise of the error message? ** Changed in: ntp (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Incomplete -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to ntp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1447142 Title: systemd: ntpdate is started too soon (before the network) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/1447142/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1447142] Re: systemd: ntpdate is started too soon (before the network)
This bug still exists in wily and this package version: Package: ntp Version: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu8 The error even occurs several times: oct. 02 11:05:10 vougeot ntpdate[1464]: Can't find host 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org: Name or service not known (-2) oct. 02 11:05:10 vougeot ntpdate[1464]: Can't find host 1.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org: Name or service not known (-2) oct. 02 11:05:10 vougeot ntpdate[1464]: Can't find host 2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org: Name or service not known (-2) oct. 02 11:05:10 vougeot ntpdate[1464]: Can't find host 3.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org: Name or service not known (-2) oct. 02 11:05:10 vougeot ntpd[1597]: Deferring DNS for 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org 1 oct. 02 11:05:10 vougeot ntpd[1597]: Deferring DNS for 1.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org 1 oct. 02 11:05:10 vougeot ntpd[1597]: Deferring DNS for 2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org 1 oct. 02 11:05:10 vougeot ntpd[1597]: Deferring DNS for 3.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org 1 oct. 02 11:05:11 vougeot ntpdate[1902]: Can't find host 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org: Name or service not known (-2) oct. 02 11:05:11 vougeot ntpdate[1902]: Can't find host 1.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org: Name or service not known (-2) oct. 02 11:05:11 vougeot ntpdate[1902]: Can't find host 2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org: Name or service not known (-2) oct. 02 11:05:11 vougeot ntpdate[1902]: Can't find host 3.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org: Name or service not known (-2) oct. 02 11:05:11 vougeot ntpd[1997]: Deferring DNS for 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org 1 oct. 02 11:05:11 vougeot ntpd[1997]: Deferring DNS for 1.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org 1 oct. 02 11:05:11 vougeot ntpd[1997]: Deferring DNS for 2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org 1 oct. 02 11:05:11 vougeot ntpd[1997]: Deferring DNS for 3.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org 1 oct. 02 11:05:13 vougeot ntpd_intres[1999]: host name not found: 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org oct. 02 11:05:13 vougeot ntpd_intres[1999]: host name not found: 1.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org oct. 02 11:05:13 vougeot ntpd_intres[1999]: host name not found: 2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org oct. 02 11:05:13 vougeot ntpd_intres[1999]: host name not found: 3.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to ntp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1447142 Title: systemd: ntpdate is started too soon (before the network) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/1447142/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1447142] Re: systemd: ntpdate is started too soon (before the network)
** Changed in: ntp (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => High -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to ntp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1447142 Title: systemd: ntpdate is started too soon (before the network) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/1447142/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1447142] Re: systemd: ntpdate is started too soon (before the network)
** This bug is no longer a duplicate of bug 1442044 Ordering processes: networkmanager should wait for kernel'module been activated first before starting -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to ntp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1447142 Title: systemd: ntpdate is started too soon (before the network) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/1447142/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1447142] Re: systemd: ntpdate is started too soon (before the network)
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1442044 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1442044 ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 1442044 Ordering processes: networkmanager should wait for kernel'module been activated first before starting -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to ntp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1447142 Title: systemd: ntpdate is started too soon (before the network) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/1447142/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 1447142] Re: systemd: ntpdate is started too soon (before the network)
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users. ** Changed in: ntp (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to ntp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1447142 Title: systemd: ntpdate is started too soon (before the network) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/1447142/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
