[Bug 389909] Re: Nautilus can't browse local network if ISP uses DNS redirection
** Package changed: nautilus (Ubuntu) => samba (Ubuntu) -- Nautilus can't browse local network if ISP uses DNS redirection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 389909] Re: Nautilus can't browse local network if ISP uses DNS redirection
Thank you for bringing this bug to our attention. Unfortunately a paper cut should be a small usability issue that affects many people and is quick and easy to fix. I'm afraid this bug can't be addressed as part of this project. Though the fix is simple. This is Bug does not affect the majority of users.[ single desktop users ] hence not a papercut. A paper cut is a minor usability annoyance that an average user would encounter on his/her first day of using a new installation of Ubuntu 9.10. For further info about papercuts criteria , pls read > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut Don't worry though, This bug has been marked as "invalid" ONLY in the papercuts project. The Bug is still active in Samba. ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: New => Invalid -- Nautilus can't browse local network if ISP uses DNS redirection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 389909] Re: Nautilus can't browse local network if ISP uses DNS redirection
I acknowledge this is an issue but it's a difficult decision. Putting "bcast" before "host" by default slows down SMB host resolution for everyone, in order to make it usable for those using broken ad-crippled DNS... On the other hand, this is generating a constant flow of Nautilus/samba bugs. ** Changed in: samba (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- Nautilus can't browse local network if ISP uses DNS redirection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 389909] Re: Nautilus can't browse local network if ISP uses DNS redirection
Is there any way to detect that DNS redirection is taking place other than the long delay in getting the gui to display? Or, you could just use a time-out that after a certain amount of time or a failure to detect the network correctly a suggestion pops up that DNS redirection is/may be taking place and offers to make the change to smb.conf. This way, you can leave the default as it is, but can make the change "on the fly" for those who are affected by it. Your comment that changing the order slows down SMB host resolution confuses me a bit, because, once I make the change to smb.conf, the network browse gui pops up in under 1-2 seconds and browsing the network seems no more than about 1 second per click. It feels about the same as browsing the local network in Windows XP SP2 on the same network. Admittedly, my networks are very small, so perhaps on a network with dozens or hundreds of machines, the resolve order makes a difference, but in my case with only 6 machines or so, it seems to have no negative affects at all. The other question is what are Windows XP and KDE network browsing doing differently than Gnome? Windows XP and KDE are not affected by this issue at all. Until I figured out the order change, I used smb4k without any problems. -- Nautilus can't browse local network if ISP uses DNS redirection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 389909] Re: Nautilus can't browse local network if ISP uses DNS redirection
Given a way to detect broken DNS at package install time, it might be reasonable to set name resolve order to broadcast first at that point, if such brokenness is detected. A comment line indicating that resolve order was set like this because DNS brokenness was detected at date/time could also be added to smb.conf. While this wouldn't solve the issue for people who install SAMBA and then later deliberately break their own DNS, it should catch a reasonable fraction of cases. Opinion: It's probably not politically feasible, but if Ubuntu checked for DNS brokenness at boot, and displayed a scary warning to contact your ISP and ask them to disable DNS redirection, over time we might see fewer ISPs do it, because they'd see increased costs in terms of the number of support calls? ;) -- Nautilus can't browse local network if ISP uses DNS redirection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 389909] Re: Nautilus can't browse local network if ISP uses DNS redirection
> The other question is what are Windows XP and KDE network browsing doing > differently than > Gnome? Windows XP and KDE are not affected by this issue at all. Until I > figured out the order > change, I used smb4k without any problems When you access \\NAME on a non-AD, non-WINS-enabled Windows, it's NetBIOS resolution that is used: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727013.aspx#EFAA Name resolution order in this case is broadcast, followed by DNS. KDE/smb4k also use broadcast and bypass settings from "name resolve order". > Your comment that changing the order slows down SMB host resolution confuses > me a bit If the host you're trying to reach doesn't live on the local subnet and you need DNS to get the right address, you'll have to wait for the broadcast to timeout before attempting the DNS query. So if you take a company with separate LANs and AD deployed, changing the default order will delay all share requests (and make useless noise on the LAN). I am not sure the suggestion to detect broken DNS at package install time would solve this... since we had our share of samba "regression" bugs filed by people when their ISP suddenly changed its revenue model. ** Summary changed: - Nautilus can't browse local network if ISP uses DNS redirection + Change resolve order so Nautilus can browse local network when ISP uses DNS redirection ** Changed in: samba (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Wishlist -- Change resolve order so Nautilus can browse local network when ISP uses DNS redirection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
Re: [Bug 389909] Re: Nautilus can't browse local network if ISP uses DNS redirection
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 03:50:16PM -, Martin G Miller wrote: > Admittedly, my networks are very small, so perhaps on a network with > dozens or hundreds of machines, the resolve order makes a difference, > but in my case with only 6 machines or so, it seems to have no negative > affects at all. Exactly. This is why in corporate networks a WINS server is used in order to avoid too much network traffic. -- Mathias Gug Ubuntu Developer http://www.ubuntu.com -- Nautilus can't browse local network if ISP uses DNS redirection https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/389909 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
