[Bug 577683] Re: tomcat6 directory structure broken

2010-05-20 Thread Thierry Carrez
Reading the answer to the question would probably have helped you.
FWIW we have been working in the 10.04 cycle with upstream to be both 
standards-compliant and working, so the collaboration is already in progress.

The tomcat6 packaging is not supposed to be used from /usr/share/tomcat6
by running bin/startup.bin. This is the (shared) location for files used
in common by the tomcat6 and tomcat6-user packages. As described in
http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/tomcat.html there are two
ways of using the packages.

Using the system instance (tomcat6 package), it will be started from 
/etc/init.d/tomcat6 (with CATALINA_BASE=/var/lib/tomcat6 and 
CATALINA_HOME=/usr/share/tomcat6)
Using a private instance (tomcat6-user package), use "tomcat6-instance-create 
my-instance", then my-instance/bin/startup.sh (will start with 
CATALINA_BASE=my-instance and CATALINA_HOME=/usr/share/tomcat6)

Permissions issues have been workarounded by no longer running with a
SecurityManager (to mimic what the upstream Apache distribution does by
default). If there are anything left, please file a new bug.

** Changed in: tomcat6 (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Invalid

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[Bug 577683] Re: tomcat6 directory structure broken

2010-05-19 Thread Rob Holman
No,

I understand fine. What I'm saying is, the usual "It's the Debian way
and therefore better" reason is NOT compelling because it breaks Tomcat.
I say this because it doesn't work. I invite you to confirm it by doing
a fresh install of the tomcat-user package for instance-- on a fresh
slate. navigate to CATALINA_HOME/bin, set up a jdk and run
./startup.bin. Observe the output. Now try to deploy any serious Java
app with say, Netbeans. Take note of the result, a litany of errors
mostly created by permissions issues. Then try to deploy the same app
with a Tomcat tarball from Apache. Notice it works.

In layman's terms we call this "broken". It may be "standards
compliant", but is a standards-compliant distribution that doesn't work.
Googling this will reveal this distribution of Tomcat to be practically
world-famous for being broken. If it is simply a matter of
misunderstanding how this Tomcat distribution works, maybe someone can
let the folks at Apache know HOW it works...in real life, because when I
was in the midst of developing on it and ran into issues, their helpful
solution was to uninstall it and download theirs. That worked.

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[Bug 577683] Re: tomcat6 directory structure broken

2010-05-19 Thread Rob Holman
** Changed in: tomcat6 (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid => New

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[Bug 577683] Re: tomcat6 directory structure broken

2010-05-18 Thread Thierry Carrez
This is a question due to a misunderstanding on how the Ubuntu/Debian
distribution of Tomcat works, not a bug.

** Changed in: tomcat6 (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Invalid

** Converted to question:
   https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat6/+question/111474

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