Re: Cinepaint for Ubuntu
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 17:28 -0500, Cory K. wrote: > On 12/07/2009 05:14 PM, Chris Jones wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 09:25 -0500, Cory K. wrote: > > > >> I have added this to the topic for the December meeting but I think we > >> should just do it. > >> > >> > > > > After a brief mentioned of this last time, I went and installed > > Cinepaint on Karmic from the GetDeb repos. And it reminded me of why I > > stopped using it in the first place. Cinepaint should really do > > something about the GUI, it is shocking. > > > > I quickly uninstalled it. > > > > Question really comes down to does it do a job other tools can't? UI can > be overcome. > > It will most likely be included in the *-video meta for Lucid. > > > -Cory K. > > I see what you're saying and I have to agree. I use a few apps for work that I can't stand the GUI, yet the functionality is second-to-none. And there are no alternatives. Chris -- Chris Jones Founder Linux Dynamix Foundation http://linuxdynamixfoundation.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: RT situation/plan for Lucid?
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 17:25 -0500, Cory K. wrote: > On 12/07/2009 05:13 PM, Chris Jones wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 08:28 -0500, Cory K. wrote: > > > >>* Is a RT kernel still needed? > >> > >> > > > > I don't think it is. I use Ubuntu Studio because it's a nice addition to > > my photographic imaging business. > > They need for RT was not a "is it needed for Studio" one. It was a "is > it needed for audio users" one. :) > > > -Cory K. > > Sorry, I misunderstood the question. ;-) Chris -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ardour and dep
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:50 AM, Cory K. wrote: > On 12/07/2009 06:30 AM, humbert.olivie...@free.fr wrote: > > Hi here, > > > > I've just look that if I want to de-install Ardour with Synaptic (because > I want compile a new one), > > Synaptic want to de-install ubuntustudio-audio meta-package (with a > plethoric list of softs). > > > > Is it a reason that I don't understand for that ? > > Because I'm think it's and VERY VERY hard dep. > > > > Yeah. We should make this a "Suggests" guys. > > Actually, should everything under the metas be suggests so as to allow > folks to compile their own apps? > > > -Cory K. > > >From my (and apt-get's) understanding, uninstalling ardour will result in the removal of two packages from a default Ubuntu Studio install: adour, and ubuntustudio-audio As with all other meta packages it's safe to uninstall them without being forced to remove their subsequent required packages. If Synaptic is forcing a removal of all ubuntustudio-audio dependencies, this should probably be filed as a bug against Synaptic (in my opinion) - either that, or fixed in your Synaptic preferences somewhere. -Eric Hedekar -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Cinepaint for Ubuntu
On 12/07/2009 05:14 PM, Chris Jones wrote: > On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 09:25 -0500, Cory K. wrote: > >> I have added this to the topic for the December meeting but I think we >> should just do it. >> >> > > After a brief mentioned of this last time, I went and installed > Cinepaint on Karmic from the GetDeb repos. And it reminded me of why I > stopped using it in the first place. Cinepaint should really do > something about the GUI, it is shocking. > > I quickly uninstalled it. > Question really comes down to does it do a job other tools can't? UI can be overcome. It will most likely be included in the *-video meta for Lucid. -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: RT situation/plan for Lucid?
On 12/07/2009 05:13 PM, Chris Jones wrote: > On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 08:28 -0500, Cory K. wrote: > >>* Is a RT kernel still needed? >> >> > > I don't think it is. I use Ubuntu Studio because it's a nice addition to > my photographic imaging business. They need for RT was not a "is it needed for Studio" one. It was a "is it needed for audio users" one. :) -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Cinepaint for Ubuntu
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 09:25 -0500, Cory K. wrote: > I have added this to the topic for the December meeting but I think we > should just do it. > > > -Cory K. > * After a brief mentioned of this last time, I went and installed Cinepaint on Karmic from the GetDeb repos. And it reminded me of why I stopped using it in the first place. Cinepaint should really do something about the GUI, it is shocking. I quickly uninstalled it. Cheers. -- Chris Jones Founder Linux Dynamix Foundation http://linuxdynamixfoundation.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: RT situation/plan for Lucid?
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 08:28 -0500, Cory K. wrote: > * Is a RT kernel still needed? > > > -Cory K. I don't think it is. I use Ubuntu Studio because it's a nice addition to my photographic imaging business. I personally prefer to run the normal vanilla Ubuntu kernel. When I first converted to Ubuntu-Studio, I tried the default RT kernel but my system kept freezing. So now I run it with the vanilla kernel and I have no issues whatsoever. I don't know whether system freezing is normal or not with the RT kernel or whether it's limited to myself, but I don't think it's necessary for Ubuntu-Studio to run RT kernel. Cheers. -- Chris Jones Founder Linux Dynamix Foundation http://linuxdynamixfoundation.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: List of Ubuntu Studio packages for making a live DVD ?
On 12/07/2009 02:50 PM, Eric Hedekar wrote: laurent.bellega...@free.fr> wrote: Hi all. With another team, lprod.org team have created a live DVD of Ubuntu Studio Karmic 32 bits (we can create also a 64 bits example). I've tested it this morning on a laptop with only windows XP pro on the hard disk. It's working perfectly. It could be nice to have this iso available for everyone, but we have a trouble. The guy who has created the live DVD has done a great job, but has introduced severals packages which are very important for video editing but cause some trouble of licence, as ffmpeg, mencoder, mplayer. So this DVD is very powerfull because you can edit video in live which is very impressive, but illegal in severals countries. I'm gonna complete my tests, ardour is also compiled with VST support, and many non free improvement are live available. So where can i found the complete official list of ALL the packages free included in the Ubuntu Studio karmic official DVD install disk to compare to our beta disk, to create a new one as the official one but live, without all forbidden packages to allow everyone to download it ? Is it allowed to create it ? If not, we can create a lprod.org one, based only on free software included in Ubuntu Studio, in live and downloadable Hi Laurent, This is wonderful news, this is a feature request that we get on a regular basis from our users but the dev team is not experienced in the creation of LiveDVDs. It'd be great if this effort could be moved into the Ubuntu Studio development process so that future releases have live capabilities. I'm CCing the dev list on this and I hope that the discussion continues there. Please consider joining that list to facilitate the discussion there. To answer your question regarding packages, the full list of packages (including dependencies) can be seen at http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=ubuntustudio I would say I'm not for this on a LTS release. The reasoning for us not creating a live disk is 2-fold. * Live disks do not preform well for audio. (our core audience) * 2 more disks to test where our testing is already very poor. * And a 3rd one, resources. ie: diskspace on Canonical servers. I will also say I'm generally against this. But if it happens after the LTS and is what people really want, I won't be a roadblock. -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: List of Ubuntu Studio packages for making a live DVD ?
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 9:47 AM, laurent.bellegarde < laurent.bellega...@free.fr> wrote: > Hi all. > > With another team, lprod.org team have created a live DVD of Ubuntu > Studio Karmic 32 bits (we can create also a 64 bits example). > I've tested it this morning on a laptop with only windows XP pro on the > hard disk. It's working perfectly. > > It could be nice to have this iso available for everyone, but we have a > trouble. > > The guy who has created the live DVD has done a great job, but has > introduced severals packages which are very important for video editing > but cause some trouble of licence, as ffmpeg, mencoder, mplayer. So this > DVD is very powerfull because you can edit video in live which is very > impressive, but illegal in severals countries. I'm gonna complete my > tests, ardour is also compiled with VST support, and many non free > improvement are live available. > > So where can i found the complete official list of ALL the packages free > included in the Ubuntu Studio karmic official DVD install disk to > compare to our beta disk, to create a new one as the official one but > live, without all forbidden packages to allow everyone to download it ? > > Is it allowed to create it ? > > If not, we can create a lprod.org one, based only on free software > included in Ubuntu Studio, in live and downloadable. > > Thank's for answers. > > Laurent, > lprod.org > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list > ubuntu-studio-us...@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > Hi Laurent, This is wonderful news, this is a feature request that we get on a regular basis from our users but the dev team is not experienced in the creation of LiveDVDs. It'd be great if this effort could be moved into the Ubuntu Studio development process so that future releases have live capabilities. I'm CCing the dev list on this and I hope that the discussion continues there. Please consider joining that list to facilitate the discussion there. To answer your question regarding packages, the full list of packages (including dependencies) can be seen at http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=ubuntustudio - Eric Hedekar -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Cinepaint for Ubuntu
I have added this to the topic for the December meeting but I think we should just do it. -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: RT situation/plan for Lucid?
On 12/07/2009 09:01 AM, Alessio Igor Bogani wrote: > 2009/12/7 Cory K.: > >> Is Alessio still working with us? >> > Yes in "power saving mode". > Ahh... but still with us. :) >> Is RT still behind -generic? >> > Probably no. > In Lucid -generic kernel will be based on 2.6.32 whereas -rt kernel > still be based on 2.6.31. > Ok. This seems reasonable. >> Is a RT kernel still needed? >> > Unfortunately yes. Gotcha. Are there any things that will need looked after? Drivers and such? -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: RT situation/plan for Lucid?
Hi, 2009/12/7 Cory K. : > Is Alessio still working with us? Yes in "power saving mode". > Is RT still behind -generic? Probably no. In Lucid -generic kernel will be based on 2.6.32 whereas -rt kernel still be based on 2.6.31. > Is a RT kernel still needed? Unfortunately yes. Ciao, Alessio -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
RT situation/plan for Lucid?
Can anyone detail our plans for RT in Lucid? * Is Alessio still working with us? * Is RT still behind -generic? * Is a RT kernel still needed? Just wondering. -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ardour and dep
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Cory K. wrote: >> Is it a reason that I don't understand for that ? >> Because I'm think it's and VERY VERY hard dep. There are a lot of audio apps that depend on JACK (Ardour is no exception- both Ardour and JACK are by Paul Davis). Perhaps this is part of the reason? > Actually, should everything under the metas be suggests > so as to allow folks to compile their own apps? It's a pity that the JACK API isn't 100% stable yet, and that if you manually compile JACK due to a small bug fix in JACK, this basically forces you to either manually compile *ALL* your audio apps or break them. It'd be great to be *able* to compile my own apps, but given the choice, I'd rather not *have* to. If there's anything that can be done in the packaging that would 'soften' the dependencies a bit so as to prevent required mass-recompiles just because of a minor bugfix, it'd definitely have my vote... Keeping in mind, of course, that dependencies are there for a reason and we don't want packages to break either. Best Marc -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ardour and dep
On 12/07/2009 06:30 AM, humbert.olivie...@free.fr wrote: > Hi here, > > I've just look that if I want to de-install Ardour with Synaptic (because I > want compile a new one), > Synaptic want to de-install ubuntustudio-audio meta-package (with a plethoric > list of softs). > > Is it a reason that I don't understand for that ? > Because I'm think it's and VERY VERY hard dep. > Yeah. We should make this a "Suggests" guys. Actually, should everything under the metas be suggests so as to allow folks to compile their own apps? -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
ardour and dep
Hi here, I've just look that if I want to de-install Ardour with Synaptic (because I want compile a new one), Synaptic want to de-install ubuntustudio-audio meta-package (with a plethoric list of softs). Is it a reason that I don't understand for that ? Because I'm think it's and VERY VERY hard dep. Thanks in advance, Olivier http://www.linuxmao.org -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
