Re: (re)Developing the Ubuntu Studio Site
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 18:49 -0500, Scott Lavender wrote: > > > Chris, > > Let's be honest, the request is straightforward and you could easily > squash any uncertainty by posting links to examples or portfolios > instead of posturing. > > What you have shown so far hasn't necessarily filled me with > confidence, artistic or otherwise. At this point I would repeat > Cory's request for some examples. > > Our goal would be improve on our current website, which is actually > pretty nice (although it needs some touching up). I'm not sure at > this point if you can provide that. > > If you are not going to provide examples then I would suggest that our > working relationship is at an end. > > Regards, > ScottL Both Cory and yourself (and others) seemed to have missed the part where I actually gave a legitimate response to the request. If you all missed it, that's too bad. If you're still interested in my response, go back and read my emails again. All the information is readily available folks! Regards -- Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Nightly testing PPA
On 09/01/2010 09:45 PM, Andrew Hunter wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:46 PM, C K wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Andrew Hunter wrote: >> >>> Hey Everyone, >>> >>> I just want to announce that I've set up a ppa for nightly builds of >>> FFmpeg, x264 and (soon) blender. Currently it supports Lucid, but if >>> there are any maverick testers out there, it is simple to add support >>> for that too. >>> >>> The url is ppa:rexbron/rexbron-nightly >>> >>> Please test it out and let me know how it works! >>> >> Hey Andrew. You wanna do this as part of Studio? Make a sub-team under >> *-dev maybe? *-testing or *-nightly or something? >> >> >> -Cory K. >> >> > Hey Everyone, > > The packages are now available from > ppa:ubuntustudio-nightly/ubuntustudio-nightly > > The mailing list for feedback: ubuntustudio-nigh...@lists.launchpad.net > > Cheers, > > Andrew > Killer man. Thanx for this. Now we should figure out a way to promote this. Are you taking requests for apps to include? Do you want to keep it limited? Are you looking to build a team? Is this something Scott can/should blog about? I'll look at this more tomorrow but I wanted to note that the page should have some kinda disclaimer on it talking about breakage at the mercy of upstream or something. -Cory K. \m/ -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Nightly testing PPA
Hey Everyone, The packages are now available from ppa:ubuntustudio-nightly/ubuntustudio-nightly The mailing list for feedback: ubuntustudio-nigh...@lists.launchpad.net Cheers, Andrew On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:46 PM, C K wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Andrew Hunter wrote: >> Hey Everyone, >> >> I just want to announce that I've set up a ppa for nightly builds of >> FFmpeg, x264 and (soon) blender. Currently it supports Lucid, but if >> there are any maverick testers out there, it is simple to add support >> for that too. >> >> The url is ppa:rexbron/rexbron-nightly >> >> Please test it out and let me know how it works! > > Hey Andrew. You wanna do this as part of Studio? make a sub-team under > *-dev maybe? *-testing or *-nightly or something? > > > -- > -Cory K. > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Futureof Ubuntu Studio Development
if you are quoting, you should also quote this from Scott's blog QUOTE * Website* - Ideally we would like a complete update of the website since it has not changed in years, other than the slight disrepair that has occurred. *If you have suggestions for a new layout we would love to see them and are extremely flexible in regards to design requirements*. EndOfQuote Sorry for the HTML but the key word is --> "...we would love to see them..." It not unreasonable anyware in the world to as for some portofolio in any artistic work. If you are hired to work for someone, without showing what you can do, then the people who pay you are fools. Yes the project needs colaborators, A LOT, but that doesn't mean that anything goes. sorry for the answer, but i never saw a position so narrow about artistic work paid or not... my 2 cents rlameiro 2010/9/1 Chris Jones > Also, it's a bit of a concern when Scott is forced to post on his blog > about the current state of Ubuntu Development. I quote, > > "Therefore, the current state of Ubuntu Studio could be described as > losing momentum characterized by limited development in contrast to its > substantial potential." > > unquote. > > One has to really wonder about the direction Ubuntu Studio is heading. I > joined up to change that with my contributions but it seems they're not > wanted. > > Anyway, as I said, good luck. > > Regards > > > -- > Chris Jones > > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > -- Fagote / Contrafagote Bassoon / Contra-bassoon http://myspace.com/ricardolameiro -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: (re)Developing the Ubuntu Studio Site
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:06 PM, C K wrote: > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chris Jones > wrote: > > For the record, I run my own photographic imaging business which covers > > photo, graphic and web work. I wouldn't be doing it if I was not worthy > > of it, that's not how the digital imaging and design sector works, which > > clearly you have no understanding of, to make the assumption you > > have/do. > > You're the one clearly making assumptions. I could "assume" that your > graphic skills are nill but no. I asked a *simple* question. You have > no clue about me, or what I do, sport. ;) > > I /can/ however demonstrate that I have a /somewhat/ artistic bone in > my body since, hell, all my stuff is actually /in/ Ubuntu Studio. > > You're "worthy"? (your words) Fine. Prove it. Post some links to art. > Digital or otherwise. Is that so unreasonable a question? (one you > still haven't even attempted to answer and looks like you're just > evading) You gonna get a tattoo without knowing what the artists style > it? > > Volunteer or not, you should prove you can do a task just like you > were hired to do it. > > You're also working without defining an audience. How the hell can you > design for people you don't know? (judging by the layout examples they > have problems seeing) And after that, what are the thematic elements > or style you're going for? The answers of course are up to Scott. > > So, continue to evade all you like. I'm sure there's someone else that > can answer a simple question. This has worn thin become a waste of my > time. > > > -- > -Cory K. > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > Chris, Let's be honest, the request is straightforward and you could easily squash any uncertainty by posting links to examples or portfolios instead of posturing. What you have shown so far hasn't necessarily filled me with confidence, artistic or otherwise. At this point I would repeat Cory's request for some examples. Our goal would be improve on our current website, which is actually pretty nice (although it needs some touching up). I'm not sure at this point if you can provide that. If you are not going to provide examples then I would suggest that our working relationship is at an end. Regards, ScottL -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: (re)Developing the Ubuntu Studio Site
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chris Jones wrote: > For the record, I run my own photographic imaging business which covers > photo, graphic and web work. I wouldn't be doing it if I was not worthy > of it, that's not how the digital imaging and design sector works, which > clearly you have no understanding of, to make the assumption you > have/do. You're the one clearly making assumptions. I could "assume" that your graphic skills are nill but no. I asked a *simple* question. You have no clue about me, or what I do, sport. ;) I /can/ however demonstrate that I have a /somewhat/ artistic bone in my body since, hell, all my stuff is actually /in/ Ubuntu Studio. You're "worthy"? (your words) Fine. Prove it. Post some links to art. Digital or otherwise. Is that so unreasonable a question? (one you still haven't even attempted to answer and looks like you're just evading) You gonna get a tattoo without knowing what the artists style it? Volunteer or not, you should prove you can do a task just like you were hired to do it. You're also working without defining an audience. How the hell can you design for people you don't know? (judging by the layout examples they have problems seeing) And after that, what are the thematic elements or style you're going for? The answers of course are up to Scott. So, continue to evade all you like. I'm sure there's someone else that can answer a simple question. This has worn thin become a waste of my time. -- -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Futureof Ubuntu Studio Development
Also, it's a bit of a concern when Scott is forced to post on his blog about the current state of Ubuntu Development. I quote, "Therefore, the current state of Ubuntu Studio could be described as losing momentum characterized by limited development in contrast to its substantial potential." unquote. One has to really wonder about the direction Ubuntu Studio is heading. I joined up to change that with my contributions but it seems they're not wanted. Anyway, as I said, good luck. Regards -- Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: (re)Developing the Ubuntu Studio Site
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 16:57 -0400, C K wrote: > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Chris Jones wrote: > > Well like I said. Your request was very vague and could have been read > > many different ways. > > It was not. I even linked to the requests. > > > Hire someone... lol. Sorry mate, but I think you're forgetting this is > > volunteer work. And if you think you can push your weight around with > > people who are clearly trying to help out, you have another think > > coming. > > Like I said, I am offering my services for free. If it's not wanted, > > speak up because I have enough paid work to keep me busy. > > > > If you're not happy with the current mockups Scott and myself have > > proposed, how about you throw some input in yourself on your own ideas. > > I am yet to hear your thoughts!... > > Trust me, out of *anyone*, *anyone* here I know this is volunteer. > Asking for examples of your work is completely justified. If you think > that simply volunteering for something means that the resulting output > of the effort should be accepted, then no. This is not the project for > you. There's standards even in Free Software. > > And note: *You* have shown _graphical_ mockups. Only general > positioning ones. Scott is the only one who has and he's said that > wouldn't cut it. > > Here's a direct question Chris: Is your artistic/design skills as good > or better than what the site currently is? If they are, it's not > unreasonable to be asked to prove it. > > I'm sorry, but this has become just a mess over a simple question. > For the record, I run my own photographic imaging business which covers photo, graphic and web work. I wouldn't be doing it if I was not worthy of it, that's not how the digital imaging and design sector works, which clearly you have no understanding of, to make the assumption you have/do. Anyway... it's your call mate and it's your loss, not mine. Like I said, I have plenty of other work... Hope it works out for you mate. Regards -- Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Fwd: (re)Developing the Ubuntu Studio Site
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Chris Jones wrote: > Well like I said. Your request was very vague and could have been read > many different ways. It was not. I even linked to the requests. > Hire someone... lol. Sorry mate, but I think you're forgetting this is > volunteer work. And if you think you can push your weight around with > people who are clearly trying to help out, you have another think > coming. > Like I said, I am offering my services for free. If it's not wanted, > speak up because I have enough paid work to keep me busy. > > If you're not happy with the current mockups Scott and myself have > proposed, how about you throw some input in yourself on your own ideas. > I am yet to hear your thoughts!... Trust me, out of *anyone*, *anyone* here I know this is volunteer. Asking for examples of your work is completely justified. If you think that simply volunteering for something means that the resulting output of the effort should be accepted, then no. This is not the project for you. There's standards even in Free Software. And note: *You* have shown no _graphical_ mockups. Only general positioning ones. Scott is the only one who has and he's said that wouldn't cut it. Here's a direct question Chris: Is your artistic/design skills as good or better than what the site currently is? If they are, it's not unreasonable to be asked to prove it. I'm sorry, but this has become just a mess over a simple question. -- -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: (re)Developing the Ubuntu Studio Site
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 22:11 -0400, Louie Queral wrote: > Okay, well I came up with an idea that is a bit different. > > > I think we should model the site off of Open SuSe's main site (bare > with me ubuntu folks) http://www.opensuse.org/en/ > > > Now we want several things that impact the initial viewing of the > site. We want simplicity: a simple lack of confusion will give the > potential user the confidence that Ubuntu Studio is right for them. We > need design: we need the site to look smooth and up to date. Whether > you like it or not, the user will assimilate the design and flow of > the site with the design and flow of Ubuntu Studio. If the site looks > crappy and bloated, which in my opinion three column portal sites do, > no one will want to use Ubuntu Studio because the will think that it > is a crappy and bloated software. > > > Now let's take a look at the site, notice these things: > > > - Strong, prominent logo on one side, allows the page to be dominated > by that software's name. > -Three simple buttons: "Get it" (which we want the user to do, first > and foremost), "discover it" (which is what the site is for), and a > third "create it" to draw users to help with the fabrication of Ubuntu > Studio and join the mailing list. > > > Those are the most important things we want the user to see, to be > completely honest. No one is going to give a shit about build notes or > news, if they don't know what the fuck we're talking about. > > > below that initial block of buttons there is a small section for news, > and another section for small updates. This is what we should base our > website on. It's just plain simple. > > > All in all, we should be thinking one question about the project: > "When a potential user of Ubuntu Studio goes to this site, do they > feel excited? Do they feel confident enough to download it? and Does > Ubuntu Studio's web presence make them more willing to help develop? > > > Here's a really rough mock up of what > I'm envisioning: http://i52.tinypic.com/o5nev9.png > > > Well at least we all agree on one thing, simplicity and big obvious buttons for all the most important bits. Cheers -- Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: (re)Developing the Ubuntu Studio Site
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 21:26 -0400, Cory K. wrote: > On 08/31/2010 07:48 PM, Chris Jones wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 06:06 -0400, Cory K. wrote: > > > > > So, do you have any? It's what I've been asking about for 3 posts now. > > > > > > *Layout* work is fine. I'd like to see what you've done on top of all > > > that with past work. After all, *that's* what folks will see and asking > > > to see what else you've done isn't unreasonable. ;) > > > > > > > > > > > Well I don't believe you've straight out asked yet? > > I did. > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2010-August/002502.html > > > If you did, you have a strange way of asking... > > > > Especially with the last one, (above) I don't see how I coulda been > clearer. > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2010-August/date.html > > > Besides, I don't have any current examples of my previous web work due > > to the projects either being temporary, shut-down or replaced by a newer > > website which I have/had nothing to do with regarding development. > > > > Too bad. > > > Also, how is all that relevant to this project? What I've done > > previously has nothing to do with this website redevelopment project. > > Oh it has everything to do with it. Would you hire anyone to paint you > house without knowing they could do it? I could also make a plastic > surgery example here. :) > > I'm just not getting how asking you to show us (Studio devs) examples > of what you can do graphically has turned into such a big deal. As > you /seem/ to be put off by the question. > > Designing a layout is great. Awesome. But, if it looks like Scott's > example: > http://www.fossmusicproject.org/public/ubuntustudio-website-mockup.png > (luv ya man :P) it just won't be a direction the project can go in. > The new site will have to look as good, dare I say better than the > current. > > > -Cory K. > Well like I said. Your request was very vague and could have been read many different ways. Hire someone... lol. Sorry mate, but I think you're forgetting this is volunteer work. And if you think you can push your weight around with people who are clearly trying to help out, you have another think coming. Like I said, I am offering my services for free. If it's not wanted, speak up because I have enough paid work to keep me busy. If you're not happy with the current mockups Scott and myself have proposed, how about you throw some input in yourself on your own ideas. I am yet to hear your thoughts!... Regards -- Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Ubuntu Studio daily CD health check
This is a daily health check report on the Ubuntu Studio CD images. If you have any questions, contact Colin Watson . ubuntustudio/daily: Uninstallable packages: linux-meta-rt 2.6.31.10.12 produces uninstallable binaries: * linux-headers-rt (amd64 i386) -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
