Plymouth text version
As we are starting a new cycle, The text version of plymouth needs to be updated. There was some discussion and it was noted that the graphics version of plymouth has no version displayed. We are wondering if we should just drop the versioning on the text version as well or not. The text version shows up if the ISO is being tested on/in a vbox and may be helpful to remind the tester what version they are working on... if that person does a lot of testing of different versions :) For those who don't know, plymouth is what displays the ubuntustudio symbol with the wheel effect around it in the graphics version and the words Ubuntu Studio XX.XX with the moving dots under in the text version. Quite aside from that however, I would suggest that the backdrop for lightdm should have the version number somewhere... And I would suggest using numbers rather than the code name. Some of the code names good, some are not... (precise was good, but raring?). Even if the session backdrop had the version added to a corner that would be fine. Anyway, vote here. when we get tired of waiting for votes we will run with it. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Plymouth text version
As we are starting a new cycle, The text version of plymouth needs to be updated. There was some discussion and it was noted that the graphics version of plymouth has no version displayed. We are wondering if we should just drop the versioning on the text version as well or not. The text version shows up if the ISO is being tested on/in a vbox and may be helpful to remind the tester what version they are working on... if that person does a lot of testing of different versions :) Hmm since I DO do a lot of testing of different versions (and a fan of Vbox) I am going to support it. Vote: Yes For those who don't know, plymouth is what displays the ubuntustudio symbol with the wheel effect around it in the graphics version and the words Ubuntu Studio XX.XX with the moving dots under in the text version. Quite aside from that however, I would suggest that the backdrop for lightdm should have the version number somewhere... And I would suggest using numbers rather than the code name. Some of the code names good, some are not... (precise was good, but raring?). Even if the session backdrop had the version added to a corner that would be fine. Just the version number, the codenames aren't really important compared to version numbers. smartboyhw -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Plymouth text version
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:05:08 +0100, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: As we are starting a new cycle, The text version of plymouth needs to be updated. There was some discussion and it was noted that the graphics version of plymouth has no version displayed. We are wondering if we should just drop the versioning on the text version as well or not. The text version shows up if the ISO is being tested on/in a vbox and may be helpful to remind the tester what version they are working on... if that person does a lot of testing of different versions :) For those who don't know, plymouth is what displays the ubuntustudio symbol with the wheel effect around it in the graphics version and the words Ubuntu Studio XX.XX with the moving dots under in the text version. Quite aside from that however, I would suggest that the backdrop for lightdm should have the version number somewhere... And I would suggest using numbers rather than the code name. Some of the code names good, some are not... (precise was good, but raring?). Even if the session backdrop had the version added to a corner that would be fine. Anyway, vote here. when we get tired of waiting for votes we will run with it. Since we hardly have time to see it (which is a shame cause it's very nice looking), I barely see the point in having it in the first place. I don't think we need to display the version number. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Plymouth text version
Maybe then we should just completely abolish the themeBut is that possible? 2012/11/11 Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:05:08 +0100, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: As we are starting a new cycle, The text version of plymouth needs to be updated. There was some discussion and it was noted that the graphics version of plymouth has no version displayed. We are wondering if we should just drop the versioning on the text version as well or not. The text version shows up if the ISO is being tested on/in a vbox and may be helpful to remind the tester what version they are working on... if that person does a lot of testing of different versions :) For those who don't know, plymouth is what displays the ubuntustudio symbol with the wheel effect around it in the graphics version and the words Ubuntu Studio XX.XX with the moving dots under in the text version. Quite aside from that however, I would suggest that the backdrop for lightdm should have the version number somewhere... And I would suggest using numbers rather than the code name. Some of the code names good, some are not... (precise was good, but raring?). Even if the session backdrop had the version added to a corner that would be fine. Anyway, vote here. when we get tired of waiting for votes we will run with it. Since we hardly have time to see it (which is a shame cause it's very nice looking), I barely see the point in having it in the first place. I don't think we need to display the version number. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.**ubuntu.comUbuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-**studio-develhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Plymouth text version
On Sun, November 11, 2012 7:13 am, Ho Wan Chan wrote: Maybe then we should just completely abolish the themeBut is that possible? 2012/11/11 Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me Since we hardly have time to see it (which is a shame cause it's very nice looking), I barely see the point in having it in the first place. I don't think we need to display the version number. Yes it is possible to not install plymouth. The machine can be set up to show logging or not in that case. The boot image maybe able to be made persistent. That is it may be possible to get grub to leave some background up but as soon as the video card does anything that would be lost (like when the kernel loads the driver) The one time plymouth does run for a while is when booting from the ISO in the case of the live boot. It does let the user know something is happening. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Plymouth text version
On Sun, November 11, 2012 7:41 am, Len Ovens wrote: The boot image maybe able to be made persistent. That is it may be possible to get grub to leave some background up Just some thoughts on this... it would mean customizing grub and the maintenance that goes with that. I don't know how well that would work with Ubuntu's solution to the whole secure boot thing. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Plymouth text version
no no no I mean to abolish the text theme ONLY. The graphical one should remain. smartboyhw On 2012-11-11 下午11:41, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Sun, November 11, 2012 7:13 am, Ho Wan Chan wrote: Maybe then we should just completely abolish the themeBut is that possible? 2012/11/11 Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me Since we hardly have time to see it (which is a shame cause it's very nice looking), I barely see the point in having it in the first place. I don't think we need to display the version number. Yes it is possible to not install plymouth. The machine can be set up to show logging or not in that case. The boot image maybe able to be made persistent. That is it may be possible to get grub to leave some background up but as soon as the video card does anything that would be lost (like when the kernel loads the driver) The one time plymouth does run for a while is when booting from the ISO in the case of the live boot. It does let the user know something is happening. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Plymouth text version
I am for having the version number in loging screen, even if it is only in a corner. Because when logged, users will note know clearly wich version they are using. Le 11 nov. 2012 16:44, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net a écrit : On Sun, November 11, 2012 7:41 am, Len Ovens wrote: The boot image maybe able to be made persistent. That is it may be possible to get grub to leave some background up Just some thoughts on this... it would mean customizing grub and the maintenance that goes with that. I don't know how well that would work with Ubuntu's solution to the whole secure boot thing. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Plymouth text version/graphics version ideas
Plymouth isn't that hard to customize, though it can take a day or so of work to debug a new or radically modified theme from scratch. Since Jan 2011 I have used the same image for the desktop, plymouth, and grub, so that the desktop background comes up as soon as GRUB starts. My own work with this has gotten buggy a few times(now needing a particular version of GRUB 2, for instance), mostly because of limitations in the documentation of Plymouth and GRUB that keep me from getting a full understanding of all the features-and all the changes. I think for an installer/default install, using the default desktop image as a background in Plymouth, would have a lot going for it. Same for a GRUB theme if anyone can maintain it. With open source drivers and a single monitor, that means the machine posts, loads the desktop image, flickers once at KMS start, then keeps it up all the way to the display manager(or the full desktop on a live disk or autologin), at which point any other Plymouth animations or logos disappear. This assumes that lightdm and the desktop are using the same background, of course. The ultimate would be some tool that would on selecting a desktop image offer the option to automatically load it into the lightdm, plymouth, and GRUB themes as well. Absent that, some documentation on how to get the image into those themes would let people do it themselves. On 11/11/2012 at 10:10 AM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:05:08 +0100, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: As we are starting a new cycle, The text version of plymouth needs to be updated. There was some discussion and it was noted that the graphics version of plymouth has no version displayed. We are wondering if we should just drop the versioning on the text version as well or not. The text version shows up if the ISO is being tested on/in a vbox and may be helpful to remind the tester what version they are working on... if that person does a lot of testing of different versions :) For those who don't know, plymouth is what displays the ubuntustudio symbol with the wheel effect around it in the graphics version and the words Ubuntu Studio XX.XX with the moving dots under in the text version. Quite aside from that however, I would suggest that the backdrop for lightdm should have the version number somewhere... And I would suggest using numbers rather than the code name. Some of the code names good, some are not... (precise was good, but raring?). Even if the session backdrop had the version added to a corner that would be fine. Anyway, vote here. when we get tired of waiting for votes we will run with it. Since we hardly have time to see it (which is a shame cause it's very nice looking), I barely see the point in having it in the first place. I don't think we need to display the version number. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Plymouth text version
Version numbers on installer Plymouth help people know which version they are using. This is especially handy for a live image on a flash drive, which unlike a CD does not have space to write on and may be frequently rewritten. I think they should be used. On 11/11/2012 at 10:05 AM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: As we are starting a new cycle, The text version of plymouth needs to be updated. There was some discussion and it was noted that the graphics version of plymouth has no version displayed. We are wondering if we should just drop the versioning on the text version as well or not. The text version shows up if the ISO is being tested on/in a vbox and may be helpful to remind the tester what version they are working on... if that person does a lot of testing of different versions :) For those who don't know, plymouth is what displays the ubuntustudio symbol with the wheel effect around it in the graphics version and the words Ubuntu Studio XX.XX with the moving dots under in the text version. Quite aside from that however, I would suggest that the backdrop for lightdm should have the version number somewhere... And I would suggest using numbers rather than the code name. Some of the code names good, some are not... (precise was good, but raring?). Even if the session backdrop had the version added to a corner that would be fine. Anyway, vote here. when we get tired of waiting for votes we will run with it. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Plymouth text version
Ho Wan Chan wrote: no no no I mean to abolish the text theme ONLY. The graphical one should remain. This means that we have no output multiplexor when booting on devices that are in VGA fallback mode: as it turns out, in addition to some virtual environments, this is also true for lots of actual hardware (albeit low-end). While we don't really expect anyone to run a full DAW in such environments, there may be plenty of folk who have relatively underpowered machines they use as effects boxes of one sort or another in an analog mixer chain. That said, if there's no interest in maintaining a special Ubuntu Studio text theme, we could just fall back to the text theme used for the Desktop and Server products: there are few enough affected users that we're unlikely to receive too many complaints. -- Emmet HIKORY -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
