Re: Studio with Cinnamon

2013-05-27 Thread Len Ovens

On Mon, May 27, 2013 1:07 pm, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
 I installed UbuntuStudio 13.04 to an extra partition, very nice
 job everyone, it looks great by default and it not a whole lot
 different a UI than what I've done with Cinnamon. Theme is
 different in some ways, but I was still instantly reminded of the
 original 2008 default appearance.

I think that is part of why it was chosen.

 I then began the job of installing Cinnamon, which is now available in
 Ubuntu's repos and installed fine along with the Nemo file manager it
 works with. That part was easy, NOTHING else was.

:)  Welcome to the world of developing!

 Here were the issues I ran into:

 configuration steps then required:

 mkdir ~/.themes
 download GNOME black theme (could put into a deb)
 extract to ~/.themes

Can't do that for a distro... And you don't want to either :) You want to
have a theme package and install it. It should end up in /usr somewhere.
Then it needs to be selected in the default settings... or at least
selectable.

 Switch menu to start-here.png in ubuntustudio-icons
 Could be done by overwriting /usr/share/cinnamon/theme/menu.png
 or manually in menu-settings by selecting
 /usr/share/icons/ubuntustudio/places/24/distributor-logo.png

Probably should be doable from a subdirectory of /etc/xdg Probably
/etc/xdg/cinnamonstudio

I haven't thought of it before but we may be able to set it using a:
Directoryapplications.directory/Directory
Line in the menu file.

 Looks REAL nice in GNOME theme

Good to here.

 I do NOT know how to script the latter, the former would be reverted
 on any update of Cinnamon

Needs to be set in the system defaults in /etc/xdg It should survive
updating cinnamon just fine there.

 Set Nemo background to ubuntustudio default:

 But tool to set this is BROKEN right now!

 Have to drop background in ~/pictures, install
 Nautilus, select it in gnome-control-center, then
 remove (not purge) Nautilus so Nemo will start

Not there, Somewhere in /usr/share/ubuntustudio/ would be the place... in
fact it should be moved there for all the DEs... hint it is not there
right now :P

One of the things we need to do is to take our settings, themes, artwork
and icons and set them up in such a way that they make sense to any DE...
or at least any of the DEs we support. Right now the wallpapers are in
/usr/share/xfce4/backdrops


 Applets added to panel such as workspace-switcher
 must be manually moved to desired position in
 panel-edit more, again I do not know how to
 automate this.

More /etc/xdg/cinnamonstudio stuff.

What does ls /etc/xdg look like right now after adding cinnamon to studio?

 Worst issues to date: Cinnamon menus not at all like
 current UbuntuStudio menus, do NOT respect
 UbuntuStudio menu package, current nor prior.

The ubuntustudio menu just now is specific to xfce. I am not familiar
enough with the old -menus to comment on those (we are not using them, but
will be), though I think they are not much changed right now. The question
may be if cinnamon is xdg compliant, or if it has the hooks installed in
their main menu to merge other menus. Does the wine menu show? (US
installs wine in the 32bit version) Wine drops a menu stub in the default
place for menu merge files

I am working right now on making the menu DE agnostic. I can get my
private version to work with either xfce or KDE at the moment. There is
still a lot of work to be done though, I don't have all *.desktop or
*.directory files set up yet (though the directory files are pretty much
done) and the icon theme needs some switching around of where the files go
in the icon file tree. Your older ubuntustudio icon theme could be added
to the US icon theme file as studio-classic and selected as default for
cinnamonstudio.


 The default theme and other installed themes
 do not render the window borders properly
 in Cinnamon, causing all windows to appear
 as though they were inactive windows.

I am not sure what to do about that... another theme that does work could
be substituted as part of the cinnamon package and set that as default for
that DE.

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Re: Studio with Cinnamon

2013-05-27 Thread Kaj Ailomaa


On Tue, May 28, 2013, at 12:28 AM, Len Ovens wrote:
 
 On Mon, May 27, 2013 1:07 pm, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
  I installed UbuntuStudio 13.04 to an extra partition, very nice
  job everyone, it looks great by default and it not a whole lot
  different a UI than what I've done with Cinnamon. Theme is
  different in some ways, but I was still instantly reminded of the
  original 2008 default appearance.
 
 I think that is part of why it was chosen.
 
  I then began the job of installing Cinnamon, which is now available in
  Ubuntu's repos and installed fine along with the Nemo file manager it
  works with. That part was easy, NOTHING else was.
 
 :)  Welcome to the world of developing!
 

Not meaning to cut off here, but I believe I already answered the mail
with an appropriate response. I'll help Luke get into developing a meta.
As for theming, that will be a future problem to solve.

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Re: Studio with Cinnamon

2013-05-27 Thread Kaj Ailomaa

 Here are the links to the mini isos
 
 32bit
 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
 64bit
 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
 

btw, you might need to choose expert install in order to choose between
installable tasks, not sure.

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Re: Studio with Cinnamon

2013-05-27 Thread Len Ovens

On Mon, May 27, 2013 1:12 pm, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
 Assuming I get all the bugs out of this, there is one other
 issue that could make being the mantainer of a metapackage
 difficult: the real names issue. I looked through the Wiki page
 on development concerning PGP keys, etc, and it reminds
 people to use their real names. That is something I never do
 online for security reasons, due to my involvement in dissident
 politics and the need to prevent one posting of mine under my
 legal name from being used by Google or by law enforcement
 to validate another post under the name everyone knows me by.

 To maintain the meta I will have to be able to have it credited to
 Luke or Luke from DC, I can't use my legal name online for
 any purpose. That issue is also one of many reasons I don't have
 or want Google or Facebook accounts.

Understood, I was uploading before I had pgp set up. I did have the ssh
keys set up though. If you have that much you should be able to push a
branch to ~luke/+junk/directory and then do a merge request to the main
branch. One of use with all the creds can do the merge. If even that is
not possible, I think you are dealing with all text files and they can be
email attached to l...@ubuntustudio.org and I can do the branch update. The
merge would be best though, that way we can all keep track of what was
done when.

I am not sure yet what we have in mind for settings. Personally I would
like to keep the default settings for all the DEs in one package
(ubuntustudio-default-settings) if at all possible. However, with
gnomeshell, unity and cinnamon there may be overlaps that prevent the
ability to have more than one of them on the system at a time.



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