Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PA in audio production - was: A survey if you don't mind
One more use of Pulseaudio: pulling sound off of monetized Youtube videos as they play, by recording output from sound on a machine whose onboard sound had that capability removed my manufacturers to please Hollywood or mainstream news copythugs. Google can block the common downloaders and serve it a couple frames at a time, but has no ability to block stream capture on a non-DRM flash video-or on ANY video, DRM or otherwise, playing on a Linux box with no "protected audio path." That was enough to put Pulseaudio back on my desktops, as the current version seems to work fine in Kdenlive with AVCHD files, which was not the case back in late 2010/early 2011. The netbook still has it turned off normally but it can be turned on when needed for something. On 10/22/2014 at 8:08 PM, "Len Ovens" wrote:On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Eric Hedekar wrote: > On 22 Oct 2014 14:36, "Len Ovens" wrote: > Stop crying wolf... Nobody expects anyone to use PA for "audio production", > PA might be used for audio contribution if there is no other way (Ie skype > calls), but "audio production"? > > I regularly rely on the pulse audio to jack connection for apps like roomEQwizard that > tie into pulse only. It may not exactly be audio production, but it's certainly audio > production related. There are lots of very good uses for PA in the studio. Xrun-less audio is not one of them. Running PA->jack->ALSA/FFADO/whatever seems to be the cleanest way to deal with desktop audio in the studio. I know there are other ways, but any I have seen are fiddly and frustrating to set up while the user finds at some point something just doesn't work. It is very easy to set up some sort of drop down button that unloads the PA-jack connection when it isn't needed. PA is the linux desktop audio standard and as such, any desktop audio can be expected to "just work" with it. It is so much easier than trying to use the jack interface on a desktop app whoes jack interface is badly designed (such as Audacity). There are some people who feel the audio computer should not be used for desktop play at all and so doesn't need PA for that reason. I am ok with that, in which case I would expect another computer in the studio that can be used for desktop uses such as previewing you tube stuff or interacting with skype or whatever. Audio for that machine can be run through the studio mixer as needed. Even a small studio might find use for some accounting kinds of things too. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net-- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[ubuntu-studio-devel] PA in audio production - was: A survey if you don't mind
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Eric Hedekar wrote: On 22 Oct 2014 14:36, "Len Ovens" wrote: Stop crying wolf... Nobody expects anyone to use PA for "audio production", PA might be used for audio contribution if there is no other way (Ie skype calls), but "audio production"? I regularly rely on the pulse audio to jack connection for apps like roomEQwizard that tie into pulse only. It may not exactly be audio production, but it's certainly audio production related. There are lots of very good uses for PA in the studio. Xrun-less audio is not one of them. Running PA->jack->ALSA/FFADO/whatever seems to be the cleanest way to deal with desktop audio in the studio. I know there are other ways, but any I have seen are fiddly and frustrating to set up while the user finds at some point something just doesn't work. It is very easy to set up some sort of drop down button that unloads the PA-jack connection when it isn't needed. PA is the linux desktop audio standard and as such, any desktop audio can be expected to "just work" with it. It is so much easier than trying to use the jack interface on a desktop app whoes jack interface is badly designed (such as Audacity). There are some people who feel the audio computer should not be used for desktop play at all and so doesn't need PA for that reason. I am ok with that, in which case I would expect another computer in the studio that can be used for desktop uses such as previewing you tube stuff or interacting with skype or whatever. Audio for that machine can be run through the studio mixer as needed. Even a small studio might find use for some accounting kinds of things too. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [LAU] A survey if you don't mind
I regularly rely on the pulse audio to jack connection for apps like roomEQwizard that tie into pulse only. It may not exactly be audio production, but it's certainly audio production related. On 22 Oct 2014 14:36, "Len Ovens" wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Please, keep this in mind! An artist production distro should also care >> about sane audio production. If just 7% of 30% use ALSA, then likely >> several people are used to adopt the distro's default. I suspect that >> several people installed Ubuntu Studio and go with pulse->jack for audio >> production. Hopefully I'm mistaken, if not, than please drop this >> approach. >> > > Stop crying wolf... Nobody expects anyone to use PA for "audio > production", PA might be used for audio contribution if there is no other > way (Ie skype calls), but "audio production"? > > -- > Len Ovens > www.ovenwerks.net > > > -- > ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [LAU] A survey if you don't mind
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Please, keep this in mind! An artist production distro should also care about sane audio production. If just 7% of 30% use ALSA, then likely several people are used to adopt the distro's default. I suspect that several people installed Ubuntu Studio and go with pulse->jack for audio production. Hopefully I'm mistaken, if not, than please drop this approach. Stop crying wolf... Nobody expects anyone to use PA for "audio production", PA might be used for audio contribution if there is no other way (Ie skype calls), but "audio production"? -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [LAU] A survey if you don't mind
I canceled the mail I send from the wrong mail account ;). Forwarded Message From: Ralf Mardorf To: ubuntu-studio-devel Cc: willgodf...@musically.me.uk, Len Ovens Subject: Re: [LAU] A survey if you don't mind Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 19:44:49 +0200 Mailer: Evolution 3.12.7 > Forwarded Message From: Will Godfrey > > To: linux-audio-u...@lists.linuxaudio.org > Subject: Re: [LAU] A survey if you don't mind > Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 18:33:24 +0100 > Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) > > On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 19:19:38 +0200 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Wed, 2014-10-22 at 19:08 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Wed, 2014-10-22 at 17:43 +0100, Will J Godfrey wrote: > > > > As I expected, for audio it's over 70% jack. > > > > > > That's the surprise for me, I expected around 90%. > > > > Do most of the 30% use ALSA or do much of them use something like > > pulse->jack? > > No, 16% either, 7 % alsa Please, keep this in mind! An artist production distro should also care about sane audio production. If just 7% of 30% use ALSA, then likely several people are used to adopt the distro's default. I suspect that several people installed Ubuntu Studio and go with pulse->jack for audio production. Hopefully I'm mistaken, if not, than please drop this approach. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
