Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Our Set of Freedesktop Categories, WAS:Re: Feature Definition Discussion: Multimedia Application Categorization
On 2015-06-22 16:16, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > I had a go at updating this page to what seems appropriate right now > - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FreedesktopCategories > It's all straight from the Freedesktop standard, except for a few > additions/changes. Good job!! > ## X-Typography > > Not put there by me, and since I don't know graphics very well I leave > it to Set to figure this one out :). > Gladly, :) but i'm unsure what you want me to figure out? The programs that suit in there? A definition? A description? Maybe i've missed something? On 2015-06-22 16:56, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > Also, I remember we were talking about Utility applications, but for > Audio or Video, or even Graphics. Maybe that is a good place for image viewers and fontmanagement software? I'd have to mind-dribble it a bit. But for the time being, my impression is that it would superfluous with a X-GraphicsUtility category. -- Set Hallstrom -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Our Set of Freedesktop Categories, WAS:Re: Feature Definition Discussion: Multimedia Application Categorization
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015, at 10:17 AM, Set Hallstrom wrote: > > On 2015-06-22 16:16, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > > I had a go at updating this page to what seems appropriate right now > > - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FreedesktopCategories > > It's all straight from the Freedesktop standard, except for a few > > additions/changes. > > Good job!! > > > > ## X-Typography > > > > Not put there by me, and since I don't know graphics very well I leave > > it to Set to figure this one out :). > > > > Gladly, :) but i'm unsure what you want me to figure out? The programs > that suit in there? A definition? A description? Maybe i've missed > something? > I just meant that you are better at deciding all of those things. > On 2015-06-22 16:56, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > > Also, I remember we were talking about Utility applications, but for > > Audio or Video, or even Graphics. > > Maybe that is a good place for image viewers and fontmanagement > software? I'd have to mind-dribble it a bit. But for the time being, my > impression is that it would superfluous with a X-GraphicsUtility > category. > Yes, I gathered as much. I will remove it, since I don't think anyone actually asked to have it there. For video I know a few applications that may be regarded as utility applications, and not just system tools. So, I will keep that one for now. For audio, I think it is clear that there are quite a few utility type applications. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Our Set of Freedesktop Categories, WAS:Re: Feature Definition Discussion: Multimedia Application Categorization
On 2015-06-23 12:32, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > > I just meant that you are better at deciding all of those things. :) ok *blush* i will do my best to face those expectations with dignity. > Yes, I gathered as much. I will remove it, since I don't think anyone > actually asked to have it there. > For video I know a few applications that may be regarded as utility > applications, and not just system tools. So, I will keep that one for > now. For audio, I think it is clear that there are quite a few utility > type applications. > Actualy, maybe it's a good idea. I was looking closer at the graphics software list and these seem like good candidate for a X-GraphicsUtility category : Agave (color helper tool) ImageMagick (viewer) Ristretto (viewer) Entangle (wireless camera management) Rapid Photo Downloader (memory card/ management) Phatch Image inspektor (batch foto processing) Phatch PHoto bATCH processor (batch foto processing) Font Manager (ehm.. font management) FontManager probably fits better in the typography category tho... But there is a total of 7 of them in graphics, unless i missed something... -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Our Set of Freedesktop Categories, WAS:Re: Feature Definition Discussion: Multimedia Application Categorization
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Set Hallstrom wrote: Actualy, maybe it's a good idea. I was looking closer at the graphics software list and these seem like good candidate for a X-GraphicsUtility category : Ristretto (viewer) Entangle (wireless camera management) Rapid Photo Downloader (memory card/ management) Phatch Image inspektor (batch foto processing) Phatch PHoto bATCH processor (batch foto processing) It would seem that if these go into utility, there is no longer any need for a photography cataegory as it would have less applications than utility. The first three I would not call utility in the same way I would not call Audacity a utility. Entangle, for someone who is doing stop motion video, becomes their major recording application. I have seen similar apps used by portrait photographers. The word utility can be far reaching to the point the computer itself is a utility and everything on it. The idea is to bring order to the menu and to application searches by presenting the user with a smaller more focused group of applications. This can go too far to the point where the application the user is looking for is effectively hidden. This is one of the reasons I personally do not like Unity and other search based application starters. My search terms rarely put the application I am looking for on the screen. I think it is important to look at these from a workflow POV too. If a utility/accessory gets constant use as part of the workflow, maybe sub-catagorizing it no longer makes sense. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Our Set of Freedesktop Categories, WAS:Re: Feature Definition Discussion: Multimedia Application Categorization
On 2015-06-23 14:59, Len Ovens wrote: > It would seem that if these go into utility, there is no longer any need > for a photography cataegory as it would have less applications than > utility. > The first three I would not call utility in the same way I would not > call Audacity a utility. Entangle, for someone who is doing stop motion > video, becomes their major recording application. I have seen similar apps > used > by portrait photographers. The word utility can be far reaching to the > point the computer itself is a utility and everything on it. > > The idea is to bring order to the menu and to application searches by > presenting the user with a smaller more focused group of applications. > This can go too far to the point where the application the user is > looking for is effectively hidden. This is one of the reasons I > personally do not like Unity and other search based application > starters. My search terms rarely put the application I am looking for on > the screen. > > I think it is important to look at these from a workflow POV too. If a > utility/accessory gets constant use as part of the workflow, maybe > sub-catagorizing it no longer makes sense. > Yes, taxonomy is a mindstretching task :) "In a computer, Home is not a place. It's a dynamic." - unknown gnu I also have an issue with search-term menus. But the strange thing about it, is that in the terminal i don't mind just that: typing words...? In the context of a software selection-menu like the current one, i'm thinking it's an issue of threshold: on what level of implications/complications is a category-subdivision necessary? When do the testing menu .. ehm.. sessions.?. begins? :) TL;DR i agree with Len. X-GraphicsUtility is an option, but it's probably superfluous as of now. Also: How is the schedule looking? -- Set Hallstrom AKA Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Our Set of Freedesktop Categories, WAS:Re: Feature Definition Discussion: Multimedia Application Categorization
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Set Hallstrom wrote: "In a computer, Home is not a place. It's a dynamic." - unknown gnu I also have an issue with search-term menus. But the strange thing about it, is that in the terminal i don't mind just that: typing words...? In a terminal I expect to know the name of the command or what it starts with anyway. In a GUI application search, things are different. The GUI menu or search may not even show the real name of the application... looking for Nautilus? Easy to find in the terminal, but look for "files" in the GUI. Nautilus when it is running, shows the name "Files" in it's about box! You may find searching for a "terminal" gives two or three terminals all named "Terminal" with very simmilar icons, but most of us do not want Xterm... Speaking searching for a terminal, the default terminal may or may not show up :) -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Our Set of Freedesktop Categories
Some of this stuff works as is :) I just changed Multimedia Playback from about 150 lines of file names not to include to: AudioVideo Player So now I can set Audio Production and Video Productio to not include "Player" But to include all Audio or all Video aside from those. This will be a major simplification. Even with me adding more players, the whole Multimedia Playback menu is still only about 10 items... Not worth splitting and also remember that many video players will play Audio files and vise versa. So in my version of things the player menu will remain where it is. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
