Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:14:19 +0100, Jimmy Sjölund wrote:
>There would be no Ubuntu Studio without social networks.

Ubuntu is a major distro and as for many other major distros too, a
multimedia port in spite of itself grow up. I doubt that the big social
networks are useful for anything good on this planet. IMO the big
social networks are sandboxes for anything that doesn't fit to a
good forum. There are forums for every domain.

It's more useful to be present in forums and mailing lists that are
related to computers and/or multimedia.

The big social networks collect and share data for marketing of
big companies and for misuse by governments, IOW for organisations that
are against the spirit of transparency.

I didn't search for crap on Facebook and Co, I just used a search
engine to search for Facebook and Co in generell. All hits linked to
crap.

Black and white opinions about world affairs and scatology even when
talking about banalities, e.g. a potato in a potato chips bag is all
search engines will link to, resp. it's listed on top of the social
networks by them self.

That's the homepage of reddit. I did not pick some odd exception, I
just clicked on the links provided there: https://www.reddit.com/

There are no serious links I missed, there's crap only.

Public relation on such a forum is like public relation written with a
permanent marker under the blue light of a railway station toilet.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[Jimmy Sjölund]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Ralf Mardorf 
wrote:

>
> Regarding social networks my guess is, that those are used by a
> majority of people who don't use a computer as a meaningful tool.
>
> Does Ubuntu Studio need a target group of idiots and xenophobes?
>
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/3qibqd/i_found_a_whole_potato_in_my_bag_of_chips/
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/3qfuy3/i_got_a_political_fortune_cookie_yesterday/
> https://www.facebook.com/RefugeesWellcome
>
> Word-of-mouth recommendation, if somebody is asking for a tool in the
> real world, IMO the the only good "public relation".
>
>
I'm not sure I follow your reasoning? Bringing up at couple of strange
threads from reddit doesn't mean everyone reading other things there are
idiots. Facebook has been and still is an important tool for refugees and
volunteers. Myself, I'm very much involved in Refugees Welcome which is the
main reason I don't have time for Ubuntu Studio at the moment. The networks
I have connected with through Facebook are no idiots or don't know how to
use a computer and the internet as a tool. For many that is the main tool
to even navigate through Europe.

Social media and networks IMHO are excellent if you use them right.
Word-by-mouth is also a great tool, but word-by-mouth on the internet has a
wider and faster spread and can work as great complement to in person
recommendations. There would be no Ubuntu Studio without social networks.
In that case it would only be a local distro a bunch of friends put
together.

/Jimmy
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[Finn Solly]

ok


2015-10-27 20:41 GMT+01:00 set :

> On 2015-10-27 11:04, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > Where else?
> reddit?
>
> I think we should publish more often on the ubuntustudio-website, and
> have those articles/that content be syndicated to all the
> social-networks automagicaly with rss. But in general, make more noise
> about what is going on in ubuntustudio metaverse, software updates,
> work-flow think-thank, team-lead's latest announcement! etc...
>
> To make our channels lively maybe a good way to gather living beings :)..?
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[lukefromdc]

The commercial. ad-supported social networks are so dangerous that I 
not only do not use them but actually block both Google and facebook
in /etc/hosts. I've even asked people I work with not to post photos 
containing me to Facebook due to their facial recognition database.

It would seem to be that any special-purpose distro would be actively
sought out using whatever search engine a user or contributor normally
relied on.

On 10/28/2015 at 8:31 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:14:19 +0100, Jimmy Sjölund wrote:
>>There would be no Ubuntu Studio without social networks.
>
>Ubuntu is a major distro and as for many other major distros too, a
>multimedia port in spite of itself grow up. I doubt that the big 
>social
>networks are useful for anything good on this planet. IMO the big
>social networks are sandboxes for anything that doesn't fit to a
>good forum. There are forums for every domain.
>
>It's more useful to be present in forums and mailing lists that are
>related to computers and/or multimedia.
>
>The big social networks collect and share data for marketing of
>big companies and for misuse by governments, IOW for organisations 
>that
>are against the spirit of transparency.
>
>I didn't search for crap on Facebook and Co, I just used a search
>engine to search for Facebook and Co in generell. All hits linked 
>to
>crap.
>
>Black and white opinions about world affairs and scatology even 
>when
>talking about banalities, e.g. a potato in a potato chips bag is 
>all
>search engines will link to, resp. it's listed on top of the social
>networks by them self.
>
>That's the homepage of reddit. I did not pick some odd exception, I
>just clicked on the links provided there: https://www.reddit.com/
>
>There are no serious links I missed, there's crap only.
>
>Public relation on such a forum is like public relation written 
>with a
>permanent marker under the blue light of a railway station toilet.
>
>Regards,
>Ralf
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[set]

On 2015-10-28 18:29, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
> On 10/28/2015 at 8:31 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:14:19 +0100, Jimmy Sjölund wrote:

ye.. well. i moved my list stuff from gmail to skrcr~/ as you may have
noticed. :D

Reddit is what it is: a network FULL of humans. It's very much like IRC
on a website with vote functionality and extensive public-archive. I
agree much with you Ralf, however, the social network thing is absurd
without content to back it up. It is necessary to have things to make
noise about, to link to, to show and share! Latest iso is twice a year!
But matter of fact, ubuntustudio do has plenty of things to make noise
about, and it should! Flatter all the awesome software that are packaged
for example! But it needs to be formated in a sweet-sexy way for the
myface space zombr from .IO to look for ubuntustudio-brains instead of
bigcorp-brains! :)


*Set

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[Kaj Ailomaa]

To the best of my knowledge, reddit is just as universal as any other
big social site. Citing wikipedia:

"Reddit (/ˈrɛdɪt/)[5] is an entertainment, social networking, and news
website where registered community members can submit content, such as
text posts or direct links, making it essentially an online bulletin
board system."

There are plenty of problems that one would like to have solved when it
comes to technology, democracy, economy, and so forth. But, in order to
reach out to anyone, you need to be visible somehow, and Ubuntu IMO is a
very visible system, one that is less strict with these things than
other organizations, perhaps for the greater good. It's a step into the
right direction, anyway, no?

So, I would not like to use any services that are not kosher, so to
speak. And to me reddit seems kosher enough. Now, if someone disagrees,
I'd like to see some real proof of why it is not. This thread is about
how to reach possible contributors, so quite a narrow subject. Let's try
to stick to that, ok?

I'm adding reddit to the list, for now. Where else can we look for
contributors? What multimedia specific sites are there? I think we
probably have audio well covered. How about video and graphics?

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[set]

On 2015-10-29 00:04, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> How about video and graphics?

http://blenderartists.org/forum/
https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=136
http://gimpforums.com/
http://www.inkscapeforum.com/
http://forums.scribus.net/

Are probably good places. :)

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Call for contributors for 16.04 LTS (Testing, PR, Artwork, Packaging, Documentation)

[flocculant]

On 26/10/15 14:29, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:

[snip]

# TESTING

We need to start doing application testing!

For this, we need to start writing test cases. The period best suited
for application testing is right after Debian Import Freeze, which
happens when the first Beta Release of Ubuntu Studio comes out, which
should be around February. So, we have about 4 months time to write a
bunch of test cases.
Testing applications thoroughly should produce more bug reports, and
clarify many problems with how applications are packaged or coded, so
this is actually very important work from a user point of view.

Testing lead would be responsible for making sure our ISOs are tested
and marked ready for release. This will happen at least three times next
cycle, February (Beta1), March(FinalBeta) and April(FinalRelease).
If application testing ever becomes successful, the lead would also be
responsible for documenting bugs and other problems, so that developers
may do something to correct them.

[snip]
If people want to start looking at this - I'm happy to help where I can 
- if nothing more than helping with the admin side of testcases.


If people want to have some sort of irc meeting about that, I'd be happy 
to come along, I know where it can be a pain and how Xubuntu dealt with 
it. I'd do my best to be about for you all


No way I could think about lead - I have Xubuntu to drag through the 
next 6 months QA wise


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[Kaj Ailomaa]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015, at 08:41 PM, set wrote:
> On 2015-10-27 11:04, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > Where else?
> reddit?
> 

I have very little experience with reddit, so I wouldn't know where to
start. How would we publish stuff in reddit?

> I think we should publish more often on the ubuntustudio-website, and
> have those articles/that content be syndicated to all the
> social-networks automagicaly with rss. But in general, make more noise
> about what is going on in ubuntustudio metaverse, software updates,
> work-flow think-thank, team-lead's latest announcement! etc...
> 

I believe we have a plugin installed in our WP now, which makes it
possible to post to several places simultaneously. And, yes, we should
publish stuff more often, but to do that, we need someone who is willing
to work with this. I won't have the time to do anything beyond
publishing new releases, basically.

> To make our channels lively maybe a good way to gather living beings
> :)..?
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 09:58:18 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>On Tue, Oct 27, 2015, at 08:41 PM, set wrote:
>> On 2015-10-27 11:04, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:  
>> > Where else?  
>> reddit?
>>   
>
>I have very little experience with reddit, so I wouldn't know where to
>start. How would we publish stuff in reddit?

Regarding social networks my guess is, that those are used by a
majority of people who don't use a computer as a meaningful tool.

Does Ubuntu Studio need a target group of idiots and xenophobes?

https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/3qibqd/i_found_a_whole_potato_in_my_bag_of_chips/
https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/3qfuy3/i_got_a_political_fortune_cookie_yesterday/
https://www.facebook.com/RefugeesWellcome

Word-of-mouth recommendation, if somebody is asking for a tool in the
real world, IMO the the only good "public relation".

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