Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?

[lukefromdc]

A "Monsanto sound font" could simply create the sound of someone dying and
falling off the toilet from terminal diarrhea with their last words being a 
reference
to corn chips.

On 5/29/2016 at 9:18 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Sun, 29 May 2016 15:15:47 +0300, autumna wrote:
>>Unlike a nestle soundfont where somebody else would be creating 
>the
>>soundfont, the New England conservatory would be actually making 
>the
>>said soundfont.
>
>I mentioned the monsanto-sound-font and nestle-sound-font 
>regarding a
>discrepancy with the humanist philosophy of Ubuntu.
>
>http://www.sigwatch.com/ isn't the measure of all things, anyway, 
>number
>2 is Monsanto and number 5 is Nestle. Apart from this chart show, 
>many
>people most likely consider those two companies to some of the
>most dangerous criminals on this planet, especial regarding crimes
>against humanity, ethics.
>
>There unlikely is such a discrepancy with the New England 
>conservatory,
>but at some point any cooperation with for-profit organisations 
>becomes
>borderline. However, if they should provide a sound-font, unlikely
>anybody would be against including it to a repository, if it fits 
>to
>the Debian/Ubuntu Creative Commons requirements and the sound font
>should provide useful sounds. Hence my question, if somebody from 
>this
>conservatory already could provide such a sound font.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?

[brian]

  

Yes; but you don't need to be logged in to see the thread. 

Go to
linuxmusicians.com and to the "samplers and samples" subforum. It's
about the 12th thread down. 

brian 

On Sun, 29 May 2016 12:57:42
+0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: 

> On Sun, 29 May 2016 12:53:46 +0200,
br...@linuxsynths.com [1]wrote:
> 
>> Strange.. Try this: SFZ [3] (It
works for me.)
> 
> The same issue. Are you registered and logged in?

 


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Call for Ardour Backport Testing

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2016-05-29 5:57 GMT-03:00 Set Hallstrom :

> On 2016-05-27 21:59, Ross Gammon wrote:
> > Hi All,
>
> >
> > Q: I want to help, so how do I test?
> > A:
> > Step 1 ... [snip]
>
> Thank you so much for pushing this through Ross!! You are a blessing!
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?

[Devin Ulibarri]

On 05/29/2016 04:32 AM, Set Hallstrom wrote:
> Dreams, ideas and visions are the mandatory ingredients to any change.
> Many of us share this dream with you, i for one do. It is a steep path
> upwards you are taking, but i believe it is absolutely possible to reach
> your goal! Or put differently, thanks for reviving that hopeful nerve in
> me by reaching out to the list like this :)
Wonderful. :)
> Ubuntu and ultimately Ubuntu Studio is backed by Canonical [1]. Before i
> got involved in the project, i turned to Ubuntu Studio with a similar
> vision to yours [2], thinking that there would be lots of potential,
> energy and will available. But now that i have insight i must inform you
> that, while all those ingredients are here, Ubuntu Studio in itself is
> _very_ small team. 
I realize that you are backed by Canonical and a small team.
> In fact, as the team looks right now, if we dedicated
> ourselves to a project like you are proposing, we would have little to
> no time to release new versions. Please rest assured i am not trying to
> discourage you, but i also have to be realistic. Most of the team
> resides in Europe ATM, it might not be much of a problem thanks to how
> Internet works, but meeting with the president/deans of your school will
> become logistically difficult. Especially if there is no promise of
> outcome yet. However, i am sure that if you can arrange such a meeting
> in a way that would allow some of us to go ±0 on expenses, many of us
> will come with pleasure.
I would *not* ask for work that distracts you from the goal of development.

I think just some "veil of support" would be enough--just a general
backing of the idea and permission to go to the higher ups at the school
and tell them that we have the backing of "Ubuntu Studio". They will not
recognize the name, so it will be up to convince them that this is big
opportunity for NEC.
>> > Things NEC would be interested in:
>> > * Pedagogical Implications (I can help with this greatly. I helped
>> > develop Music Blocks software with Sugar Labs, for example. 
>> > musicblocks.net)
>> > * Price savings (of course)
>> > * Having their name on something (maybe copyright on some sound-fonts
>> > that faculty help to create)
>> > * A greater association that their school is "with the times" tech-wise
>> > (unlike Berklee, NEC is stuck in middle-ages tech-wise and struggles
>> > with its image in this area to a great degree)
> All this is nice and probably achievable. I would be very prudent with
> what kind of copyright you want to involve and how you present it.
> Copyright is a seemingly vague yet scalpel sharp but strange legal
> territory. FOSS and GNU/Linux is forged in a quite new and
> ground-breaking vision of how copyright should operate. I'm underlining
> this because how you let them
>> > * Having their name on something
> could have very counter productive effects on your plan, or make it
> plain incompatible with FOSS on a legal level.

I had a difficult time wording the above, but one of the benefits for an
institution like NEC in the world of free software as I can see it is
the potential for leaving a greater legacy. So, under a free license,
yes no one makes royalties, but the name of the original author is
spread far and wide (e.g. Richard Stallman, Linus Torvalds, etc). So, if
, the musicians of NEC were to help with what they could help with (I
think recording sound fonts, mainly), then what they would get in return
would be acknowledgement for being the one who created the "awesome
sound font". (Additionally, if I did this aforementioned project of
sound fonts, I would fund it with a grant to pay the musicians a
one-time stipend for their work. If I did not get grant funding to pay
musicians the one time fee, I would not do it. So, this plan/dream is
contingent on possible grant funding.)
>> > 
>> > Any Additional thoughts? Is this a project that Ubuntu Studio would be
>> > interested in taking on?
> Change is scary for many, and a change in OS is ultimately vowed to put
> the current computer administrators of your school in a position where
> they are going to feel threatened: what will they do if their skill-sets
> become obsolete? A good way forward could be to find a way to include
> them into this change and to engage any eventual detractor into a
> constructive process. How to do that, i don't really know yet but i'd
> gladly brainstorm with you about it. :)
This is the potential issue I *really do* worry about. Our tech team is
not one for change or taking risks. Therefore, I think I really need to
get it right with the higher-ups of the school (they can tell the IT
team that this is an education-based decision, which would trump their
complaints).

Strategically, if we try to bring the OS into NEC on the ground, I would
propose to start with a "one computer" program where we have one
computer running Ubuntu Studio in each of the two computer lab (small
school). I could also get help from MIT, which the 

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 29 May 2016 15:15:47 +0300, autumna wrote:
>Unlike a nestle soundfont where somebody else would be creating the
>soundfont, the New England conservatory would be actually making the
>said soundfont.

I mentioned the monsanto-sound-font and nestle-sound-font regarding a
discrepancy with the humanist philosophy of Ubuntu.

http://www.sigwatch.com/ isn't the measure of all things, anyway, number
2 is Monsanto and number 5 is Nestle. Apart from this chart show, many
people most likely consider those two companies to some of the
most dangerous criminals on this planet, especial regarding crimes
against humanity, ethics.

There unlikely is such a discrepancy with the New England conservatory,
but at some point any cooperation with for-profit organisations becomes
borderline. However, if they should provide a sound-font, unlikely
anybody would be against including it to a repository, if it fits to
the Debian/Ubuntu Creative Commons requirements and the sound font
should provide useful sounds. Hence my question, if somebody from this
conservatory already could provide such a sound font.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?

[autumna]

I have been part of partnerships and similar things involving students 
contributing to open source, or using them. This is actually not as hard 
as everyone is making it to be. :D To me important things are:


1) Ubuntu studio wouldn't have their label (obviously)
2) they could contribute (as already said) sound files and works that 
are labeled to be NES, as well as tutorials. (MOOCs or videos of 
lectures anyone?) Assuming everything being creative commons. preferably 
CC-SA. I don't see that as advertisement. Unlike a nestle soundfont 
where somebody else would be creating the soundfont, the New England 
conservatory would be actually making the said soundfont.
3) Their students can have experience creating music that is in creative 
commons, and optionally give feedback and file bugs so that contributing 
back to the community is part of the experience.
4) I assume the whole talking to the dean, aspect that they see this as 
a making a business deal with a commercial company to use their 
software. In this case, it is completely unnecessary. Ubuntu studio is 
open source and free. They don't need to make a business deal with us to 
use it.
5) I do actually wonder if this couldn't begin small. E.g. one class on 
open source music software, then gradually move from there, rather than 
trying to switch suddenly. (If I am understanding this correctly)


Just some thoughts on the topic.

autumna

On 05/29/2016 12:18 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2016 10:32:33 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:

FOSS and GNU/Linux is forged in a quite new and
ground-breaking vision of how copyright should operate. I'm underlining
this because how you let them

* Having their name on something

could have very counter productive effects on your plan, or make it
plain incompatible with FOSS on a legal level.

Copyright could mean Creative Commons copyright licenses. I didn't
reply on Friday, but read the OP's mail and read both, the Debian and
Ubuntu policies regarding creative commons requirements, for e.g. sound
fonts. The copyright shouldn't be an issue, if just the name should be
mentioned, e.g. new-england-conservatory-sound-font. Camouflaged
advertising might be an issue or at least ethical aspects could be
a problem, I doubt that monsanto-sound-font or nestle-sound-font are
wanted, but a new-england-conservatory-sound-font might be ok.

However, is there such a sound font already available?

Data bases with sounds could be helpful, but there are already several
data bases with needed sounds available and nobody has the time to make
a sound font from the available sounds.

I'm not an Ubuntu (Studio) team member, just interested in sharing
help, software, whatsoever ...

Has anybody ever made a sound font? If so, what software did you use
to make the sound font?

Regards,
Ralf




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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?

[brian]

  

Strange.. 

Try this: SFZ [3]  

(It works for me.) 

brian 

On
Sun, 29 May 2016 12:15:10 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: 

> On Sun, 29 May
2016 11:54:02 +0200, br...@linuxsynths.com [2]wrote:
> 
>>
Samples-to-SFZ https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=50
[1]=15637=70582=sfz#p70582
> 
> Hi,
> 
> the link results in
"The requested topic does not exist".
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf

 


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 29 May 2016 11:54:02 +0200, br...@linuxsynths.com wrote:
>Samples-to-SFZ 
>https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=50|+|amp|+|t=15637|+|amp|+|p=70582|+|amp|+|hilit=sfz#p70582

Hi,

the link results in "The requested topic does not exist".

Regards,
Ralf




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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 29 May 2016 10:32:33 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>FOSS and GNU/Linux is forged in a quite new and
>ground-breaking vision of how copyright should operate. I'm underlining
>this because how you let them
>> * Having their name on something  
>could have very counter productive effects on your plan, or make it
>plain incompatible with FOSS on a legal level.

Copyright could mean Creative Commons copyright licenses. I didn't
reply on Friday, but read the OP's mail and read both, the Debian and
Ubuntu policies regarding creative commons requirements, for e.g. sound
fonts. The copyright shouldn't be an issue, if just the name should be
mentioned, e.g. new-england-conservatory-sound-font. Camouflaged
advertising might be an issue or at least ethical aspects could be
a problem, I doubt that monsanto-sound-font or nestle-sound-font are
wanted, but a new-england-conservatory-sound-font might be ok.

However, is there such a sound font already available?

Data bases with sounds could be helpful, but there are already several
data bases with needed sounds available and nobody has the time to make
a sound font from the available sounds.

I'm not an Ubuntu (Studio) team member, just interested in sharing
help, software, whatsoever ...

Has anybody ever made a sound font? If so, what software did you use
to make the sound font?

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Backports

[Set Hallstrom]

On 2016-05-27 23:04, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Unfortunately editing the Ubuntu Wiki/help pages requires to subscribe
> to a special group now, so I won't write such a page. However, the
> information computer newbies need is very simple.

Do you have a launchpad account Ralf? You can go directly through us to
get edit-rights on the wiki, all i need is to know your launchpad-ID :)

You could also send us suggestions/corrections/articles here on the list
and i'll make sure they land where they should in the wiki.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Call for Ardour Backport Testing

[Set Hallstrom]

On 2016-05-27 21:59, Ross Gammon wrote:
> Hi All,

> 
> Q: I want to help, so how do I test?
> A:
> Step 1 ... [snip]

Thank you so much for pushing this through Ross!! You are a blessing!

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?

[Set Hallstrom]

Hi Devin Ulibarri!

On 2016-05-27 21:38, Devin Ulibarri wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am a music teacher and one of my gigs is teaching for New England
> Conservatory (NEC) in Boston, MA.
> 
> I dream of bringing free/libre software to the school for a number of
> reasons, and am coming up with a strategy for what would be most
> effective. My thought is a partnership of some sort between Ubuntu
> Studio and NEC might be worth looking into. My colleagues are willing to
> listen to me an the idealogical reasons why bringing software libre to
> the school would be nice, but the conversation always ends with "Okay,
> that was a great talk, but now what? How do we actualize all these great
> ideas you preach?"
> 
> Does anyone have ideas on how to do this?

Dreams, ideas and visions are the mandatory ingredients to any change.
Many of us share this dream with you, i for one do. It is a steep path
upwards you are taking, but i believe it is absolutely possible to reach
your goal! Or put differently, thanks for reviving that hopeful nerve in
me by reaching out to the list like this :)

> 
> If we can get a game plan together, I am confident that I could get an
> in-person meeting with the president or one of the deans at the school.
> 

Ubuntu and ultimately Ubuntu Studio is backed by Canonical [1]. Before i
got involved in the project, i turned to Ubuntu Studio with a similar
vision to yours [2], thinking that there would be lots of potential,
energy and will available. But now that i have insight i must inform you
that, while all those ingredients are here, Ubuntu Studio in itself is
_very_ small team. In fact, as the team looks right now, if we dedicated
ourselves to a project like you are proposing, we would have little to
no time to release new versions. Please rest assured i am not trying to
discourage you, but i also have to be realistic. Most of the team
resides in Europe ATM, it might not be much of a problem thanks to how
Internet works, but meeting with the president/deans of your school will
become logistically difficult. Especially if there is no promise of
outcome yet. However, i am sure that if you can arrange such a meeting
in a way that would allow some of us to go +/-0 on expenses, many of us
will come with pleasure.

> Things NEC would be interested in:
> * Pedagogical Implications (I can help with this greatly. I helped
> develop Music Blocks software with Sugar Labs, for example. musicblocks.net)
> * Price savings (of course)
> * Having their name on something (maybe copyright on some sound-fonts
> that faculty help to create)
> * A greater association that their school is "with the times" tech-wise
> (unlike Berklee, NEC is stuck in middle-ages tech-wise and struggles
> with its image in this area to a great degree)

All this is nice and probably achievable. I would be very prudent with
what kind of copyright you want to involve and how you present it.
Copyright is a seemingly vague yet scalpel sharp but strange legal
territory. FOSS and GNU/Linux is forged in a quite new and
ground-breaking vision of how copyright should operate. I'm underlining
this because how you let them
> * Having their name on something
could have very counter productive effects on your plan, or make it
plain incompatible with FOSS on a legal level.

> 
> Any Additional thoughts? Is this a project that Ubuntu Studio would be
> interested in taking on?

Change is scary for many, and a change in OS is ultimately vowed to put
the current computer administrators of your school in a position where
they are going to feel threatened: what will they do if their skill-sets
become obsolete? A good way forward could be to find a way to include
them into this change and to engage any eventual detractor into a
constructive process. How to do that, i don't really know yet but i'd
gladly brainstorm with you about it. :)
When it comes to:
> * Price savings
Put the numbers flat on paper for your people to see.

Last but not least: we are open for you to become a part of Ubuntu
Studio.[3] We can provide you with a like-minded community, tools,
brain-craft, encouragements, ideas and a platform to shape and sharpen
your plan. Basically what i am saying is that you could become a member
of the PR-[4] and documentation teams, working on a master-strategy for
the implementation of Ubuntu Studio in schools.

> 
> Thanks,
> Devin
> 

Welcome to Ubuntu Studio Devin! And feel free to bounce ideas here!

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[1] http://www.canonical.com/
[2]
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-users/2013-November/009665.html
[3]
https://ubuntustudio.org/2015/11/want-to-help-making-ubuntu-studio-a-great-os-for-creative-humans/
[4] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-public-relations
[5] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-documentation



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