Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?
Hi all, I have access to reliable Jitsi channel (and am willing to use other solutions if need be). I will limit further communication on this topic off-list. Thanks for everything to get this started. Devin On July 9, 2016 7:08:06 AM EDT, "Jimmy Sjölund" wrote: > Original Message > >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be >Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory? >Local Time: July 9, 2016 12:53 PM >UTC Time: July 9, 2016 10:53 AM >From: s...@ubuntustudio.org >To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > > >it is very hard and confusing to read your emails, jimmy. you do not >quote >properly. > >I have filed a bug to ProtonMail. Not much more I can do unfortunately >other than to edit > myself. > > > >> when you write 'we' in the context of the list you have to expect >being >> read as speaking on behalf of the team. for personal matters please >use >> email off-list. > >I wrote "we" as in Devin and me and last I checked I was still >considered a member of the team. In all my years in the Ubuntu Studio >community have I heard that we were not allowed to continue a >discussion in the thread on the mailing list. I did not know that as a >member of the team I would need approval from anyone to talk to someone >else. That's not a community I would support. > > > >> as for your implication of narrow minded attitude, i reckon that is a >> matter of POV. However, as you may know, this is a foss mailing list. > >> Of course we should listen to NEC, non the less to use the teams >sparse >> ressources to set up specialized ressources is detrimental to our >focus. >> Given it is used properly, email is an excellent format to develop >ideas >> and concepts, o is IRC. Ubuntu Studio is in itself proof of this >statement. > > >How I use my own time and resources is up to me. I did not suggest >anyone else would join a potential talk or put in time unless they >wanted to or that Ubuntu Studio should set up any special resources for >any party. I think you have misunderstood the whole point of my >suggestion to have a chat with NEC. > >Further, if the OP feels email is limiting their way to express >themselves, why would it be an issue to communicate in any other way? >Email and IRC is not the best way for everyone. > >This thread is getting ridiculous. I'm out. > >/Jimmy > > > >-- >ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list >ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.-- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[ubuntu-studio-devel] Leaving the community
Hi, as most of you already know I've been having a hard time to put in much time in the project. It's more or less some hit'n'run the last years. In that aspect and others which I will not dwell upon I've decided to leave the community. It's been fun and educational. I've met great people both in real life and online! Other than that, take care! And you know where to find me if you want to stay in touch. Cheers Jimmy-- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?
On 2016-07-09 13:08, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: > Original Message >> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be >> Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory? Local Time: >> July 9, 2016 12:53 PM UTC Time: July 9, 2016 10:53 AM From: >> s...@ubuntustudio.org To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >> >> >> it is very hard and confusing to read your emails, jimmy. you do >> not quote properly. > > I have filed a bug to ProtonMail. Not much more I can do > unfortunately other than to edit > myself. Fair enough. I didn't know protonmail dose not allow Mail-clients. >>> when you write 'we' in the context of the list you have to expect >>> being read as speaking on behalf of the team. for personal >>> matters please use email off-list > > I wrote "we" as in Devin and me No, You wrote > _We_ could set up a video call or Google Hangout if you would like to > discuss a bit more easily. In the context of the list, being the devel-team member that you are, that sounds like "we, the team" to me... Maybe i'm the only one, but i can't read your mind, sorry about that. I also apologize if i anticipated Devin misunderstanding your statement as if "we", the team, would set up a video conference for his project. > and last I checked I was still considered a member of the team. Nobody is questioning your membership. (except maybe you in this response and your launchpad karma page, but we all now launchpad isn't necessarily representative) > In > all my years in the Ubuntu Studio community have I heard that we were > not allowed to continue a discussion in the thread on the mailing > list. I did not know that as a member of the team I would need > approval from anyone to talk to someone else. That's not a community > I would support. Nobody suggested you are not allowed to continue discussions. All _i_ did was to correct/question what you ment by "we" and ask you if you could set up video conferences using tools aligned with our philosophy: http://ubuntustudio.org/about-ubuntustudio/ >> >>> as for your implication of narrow minded attitude, i reckon that >>> is a matter of POV. However, as you may know, this is a foss >>> mailing list. >> >>> Of course we should listen to NEC, non the less to use the teams >>> sparse ressources to set up specialized ressources is detrimental >>> to our >> focus. >>> Given it is used properly, email is an excellent format to >>> develop >> ideas >>> and concepts, o is IRC. Ubuntu Studio is in itself proof of this >> statement. >> > > How I use my own time and resources is up to me. I did not suggest > anyone else would join a potential talk or put in time unless they > wanted to or that Ubuntu Studio should set up any special resources > for any party. I think you have misunderstood the whole point of my > suggestion to have a chat with NEC. No jimmy: you missunderstood me. I think you need to read my mails a couple of more times: all i did was to say you may use your time however you want with whatever software you want, but to underline that you may use your own personal tools for your own personal agenda. Basicaly, exactly what you state here above. > > Further, if the OP feels email is limiting their way to express > themselves, why would it be an issue to communicate in any other > way? Email and IRC is not the best way for everyone. > Sure thing! However, at this point, there is nothing much we can do since the issue should be addressed to canonical. But like i wrote and write again: you are welcome to give your personal assistance to anyone. And If you do so using the group's tools, please be wary to pinpoint that it is your own personal initiative, and avoid generalizing terms such as "we", when you in fact mean "he/her and me". > This thread is getting ridiculous. I'm out. > > /Jimmy > I agree, by taking everything personally you made it so. I understand from previous discussion between you and me that you have a personal issue with my ethics. I hereby kindly invite you to take those issues up with me personally off-list. Letting your frustration roll out on the list makes us all look bad. Devin: i'm sorry this thread took the appearance of you ending up in the middle of this. But you aren't the cause for anything here. You are doing the right thing by asking for guidance and motivating everyone with your constructive ways. Like i said previously: Rest assured you are welcome to ask any question to the list or team and we will do our best to help you to the possible extend. However, and i repeat, canonical is your channel, they might indeed be able to set-up a conference with hang-outs, i've only talked to them via IRC. -- Set Sakrecoer -- Set Hallstrom aka sakrecoer signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?
Original Message Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory? Local Time: July 9, 2016 12:53 PM UTC Time: July 9, 2016 10:53 AM From: s...@ubuntustudio.org To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com it is very hard and confusing to read your emails, jimmy. you do not quote properly. I have filed a bug to ProtonMail. Not much more I can do unfortunately other than to edit > myself. > when you write 'we' in the context of the list you have to expect being > read as speaking on behalf of the team. for personal matters please use > email off-list. I wrote "we" as in Devin and me and last I checked I was still considered a member of the team. In all my years in the Ubuntu Studio community have I heard that we were not allowed to continue a discussion in the thread on the mailing list. I did not know that as a member of the team I would need approval from anyone to talk to someone else. That's not a community I would support. > as for your implication of narrow minded attitude, i reckon that is a > matter of POV. However, as you may know, this is a foss mailing list. > Of course we should listen to NEC, non the less to use the teams sparse > ressources to set up specialized ressources is detrimental to our focus. > Given it is used properly, email is an excellent format to develop ideas > and concepts, o is IRC. Ubuntu Studio is in itself proof of this statement. How I use my own time and resources is up to me. I did not suggest anyone else would join a potential talk or put in time unless they wanted to or that Ubuntu Studio should set up any special resources for any party. I think you have misunderstood the whole point of my suggestion to have a chat with NEC. Further, if the OP feels email is limiting their way to express themselves, why would it be an issue to communicate in any other way? Email and IRC is not the best way for everyone. This thread is getting ridiculous. I'm out. /Jimmy-- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?
lördagen den 9:e juli 2016 kl. 12:02:02 CEST, Jimmy Sjölund skrev: Original Message Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory? Local Time: July 9, 2016 11:06 AM UTC Time: July 9, 2016 9:06 AM From: s...@ubuntustudio.org To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com fredagen den 8:e juli 2016 kl. 19:31:14 CEST, Jimmy Sjölund skrev: We could set up a video call or Google Hangout if you would like to discuss a bit more easily. Have you joined canonical Jimmy? No. Afaik, ubuntu studio has no tools for video conference available. No, not really. I'm no one to tell you if you should or not join efforts with NEC to help them free their computing, but if you do; please do so on your own behalf. If you want to include the team to spend time and energy in a video conference to help a third part, at least make sure you discuss the options with- and set up the tools for the team first. No, of course I wouldn't set up a meeting for someone else. If Devin would be interested to discuss open source with someone in the community I would try to make that happen, within my own schedule. As he wrote it was difficult through email I suggested another form of communication that might be easier. Misunderstand me right, I'd love to see you point us to existing tools or set freesoftware video conferences up so that the devel team can discuss internal issues more easily. However, hangouts or skype are no options. How the devel team discuss internal things was not in scope. I suggested using a video conference or Google Hangout with another person, hence the "we". Not "we" as everyone on the list. As Canonical (or anyone else) has not found any good alternative so far, all Ubuntu conferences have used Google Hangout for years. Unfortunate yes, but until good alternatives are available that is what they have chosen. As I suggested a call with someone outside of the open source world a hangout might be the best way to start as it much more likely that they have used it before or at least will be able to easily set it up to discuss matters. At a later stage other means of communication might be used. Saying that it's not an option to use anything other than free software it's quite narrow minded and not very productive. What you chose to use for internal discussions within the devel team is up to you and the team. Besides, what I use as a person to help someone out, who is considering trying to use open source, is up to me. Surely, I would not make any promises or speak on behalf of the whole community or Canonical or anything. But to listen to NEC and their questions and perhaps point them in a direction to get answers. That's how the community works. /Jimmy it is very hard and confusing to read your emails, jimmy. you do not quote properly. when you write 'we' in the context of the list you have to expect being read as speaking on behalf of the team. for personal matters please use email off-list. as for your implication of narrow minded attitude, i reckon that is a matter of POV. However, as you may know, this is a foss mailing list. Of course we should listen to NEC, non the less to use the teams sparse ressources to set up specialized ressources is detrimental to our focus. Given it is used properly, email is an excellent format to develop ideas and concepts, o is IRC. Ubuntu Studio is in itself proof of this statement. -- Set Hallström Sent from my Ubuntu pocket computer -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?
Off-topic: This mail is addressed to Jimmy :). Jimmy, some of us don't view the HTML part of your mails, we see your mails with the same formatting as it is shown by the mailing list archive: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2016-July/007883.html If you sent multipart with HTML, please at least ensure that the plain text part of the mails use proper quoting style, too. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?
On Sat, 9 Jul 2016 12:10:57 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >Hi Jimmy, Oops, the OP is "Devin" :). My apologies, my preceding reply is addressed to the OP. Hi Devin ;) -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?
On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 11:06:25 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote: > [snip] >Afaik, ubuntu studio has no tools for video conference available. > [snip] >However, hangouts or skype are no options. Hi Jimmy, I don't know if "video conference" could be done with open source. I'm not a friend of Google, but since it's a giant search engine, it could be helpful to get more information. There are explanations, how to install Skype, but the ethics link might explain, why Skype likely is no option. Audio conference seems to be possible with Ubuntu and perhaps "video chat" means that a video conference is also possible, but perhaps it only means that two ports and not a group can use it. A few links I didn't completely read, so they might or might not be helpful: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeEthics http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Videoconferencing https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ekiga https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ekiga/FAQ https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/Empathy?action=show&redirect=Empathy Conferences could be an issue, not only regarding different time zones. If people are willing to spend time on a video conference, first have a longer test conference with friends, to ensure that there will be no troubles. If you can't present at least one Ubuntu Studio computer that runs trouble-free, you leave a bad impression. Consider to set up a long time tested stable workstation with Ubuntu Studio for all tasks that are wanted. To get help with this join the appropriate mailing lists. This list and https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users are good, but als consider to get help from https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users and assumed you're using Xfce, I guess it's still the default desktop environmentfor Ubuntu Studio, also consider to join https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users For learning purpose also consider to at least install a backup of your install as a virtualbox guest and test upgrades, especially release upgrades. Also check backwards compatibility of data, after using copies of data with new software versions. Linux usually is the better choice, but it isn't without pitfalls. If you want convince somebody to use Ubuntu Studio, you should be able to avoid and resolve issues. Be careful to change anything within a school year, better test it during holidays. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?
Original Message Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory? Local Time: July 9, 2016 11:06 AM UTC Time: July 9, 2016 9:06 AM From: s...@ubuntustudio.org To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com fredagen den 8:e juli 2016 kl. 19:31:14 CEST, Jimmy Sjölund skrev: >> We could set up a >> video call or Google Hangout if you would like to discuss a bit >> more easily. Have you joined canonical Jimmy? No. Afaik, ubuntu studio has no tools for video conference available. No, not really. I'm no one to tell you if you should or not join efforts with NEC to help them free their computing, but if you do; please do so on your own behalf. If you want to include the team to spend time and energy in a video conference to help a third part, at least make sure you discuss the options with- and set up the tools for the team first. No, of course I wouldn't set up a meeting for someone else. If Devin would be interested to discuss open source with someone in the community I would try to make that happen, within my own schedule. As he wrote it was difficult through email I suggested another form of communication that might be easier. Misunderstand me right, I'd love to see you point us to existing tools or set freesoftware video conferences up so that the devel team can discuss internal issues more easily. However, hangouts or skype are no options. How the devel team discuss internal things was not in scope. I suggested using a video conference or Google Hangout with another person, hence the "we". Not "we" as everyone on the list. As Canonical (or anyone else) has not found any good alternative so far, all Ubuntu conferences have used Google Hangout for years. Unfortunate yes, but until good alternatives are available that is what they have chosen. As I suggested a call with someone outside of the open source world a hangout might be the best way to start as it much more likely that they have used it before or at least will be able to easily set it up to discuss matters. At a later stage other means of communication might be used. Saying that it's not an option to use anything other than free software it's quite narrow minded and not very productive. What you chose to use for internal discussions within the devel team is up to you and the team. Besides, what I use as a person to help someone out, who is considering trying to use open source, is up to me. Surely, I would not make any promises or speak on behalf of the whole community or Canonical or anything. But to listen to NEC and their questions and perhaps point them in a direction to get answers. That's how the community works. /Jimmy-- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?
fredagen den 8:e juli 2016 kl. 19:31:14 CEST, Jimmy Sjölund skrev: We could set up a video call or Google Hangout if you would like to discuss a bit more easily. Have you joined canonical Jimmy? Afaik, ubuntu studio has no tools for video conference available. I'm no one to tell you if you should or not join efforts with NEC to help them free their computing, but if you do; please do so on your own behalf. If you want to include the team to spend time and energy in a video conference to help a third part, at least make sure you discuss the options with- and set up the tools for the team first. Misunderstand me right, I'd love to see you point us to existing tools or set freesoftware video conferences up so that the devel team can discuss internal issues more easily. However, hangouts or skype are no options. *Set -- Set Hallström Sent from my Ubuntu pocket computer -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
