Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Wallpaper

[Len Ovens]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2018, eylul wrote:


Here is a preview of the proposed wallpaper for 18.04.


You can view full resolution version
http://s.eyluldogruel.com/ubuntustudio/UbuntuStudio1804.jpg Created
using Inkscape, Krita and Darktable. I'll work on second screen part if
we plan to go ahead with it. Continue? Abort? :)


Looks fine to me, unless there is another hiding out there I would say 
finish it and upload. (I couldn't match that in months of work I think)



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Release Cycle for 18.04

[Len Ovens]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:

I’ve been speaking with Simon Quigley and he suggested that, due to 
manpower, we drop 18.04 from being LTS and just go with a 9-month 
release for this cycle. Thoughts?


This is OK with me. I don't know that it changes anything, wouldn't the 
packages still end up getting maintained in an LTS manner? It would mean 
there was no 18.04.3 etc. but that just means a bigger update if someone 
wanted 18.04 a bit later. In other words whatever packages xubuntu uses 
would still get updates. The kernel might not as we are the only ones 
using lowlatency...



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] GIMP vs MyPaint - Dependency conflicts

[eylul]

As much as I would really like to see 2.10 on release, this is a good
point.

From a 18.10 point of view, the main issue with snap in combination with
graphics programs used to be that snap could have issues with
integration of proprietary graphic drivers (e.g. of nvidia). This
information is several months old through so it is possible that the
issue is fixed.

Best

Eylul


On 04/11/2018 09:11 PM, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
> I’ll let Jeremy know that we’d like to keep things as-is for this
> cycle, but we’ll experiment with snaps for 18.10.
>
>
>
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Ross Gammon > > wrote:
>>
>> In my view it is too late to make such a change. We release in two weeks.
>>
>> If the current versions of gimp (2.8) and mypaint install fine, I
>> would leave it that way. I thought is was only if gimp 2.10 was
>> installed that there was the clash with mypaint?
>>
>> I think it would be a good idea to create snaps for our priority
>> packages, and encourage upstream to maintain them. And then if
>> someone wants the latest and greatest, they can install it. Adding
>> relevant snaps to our seeds )instead of the Debian package) would be
>> a good test/goal for 18.10.
>>
>> On 11/04/18 19:50, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
>>> Hi again,
>>>
>>> Speaking with Jeremy Bicha (and Ross, apparently you had a previous 
>>> conversation), GIMP 2.10 is supposed to be out shortly. However, since 
>>> libmypaint was split and the new version is dependent on a newer version, 
>>> having GIMP and MyPaint installed together breaks MyPaint until its 1.3 
>>> release.
>>>
>>> So, the question is whether or not we keep 2.8, change GIMP to a snap, or 
>>> remove MyPaint from the install.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Erich
>>>
>>>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] GIMP vs MyPaint - Dependency conflicts

[Len Ovens]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, Ross Gammon wrote:


I think it would be a good idea to create snaps for our priority packages, and
encourage upstream to maintain them. And then if someone wants the latest and


Upstream? in most cases won't happen.


greatest, they can install it. Adding relevant snaps to our seeds )instead of 
the
Debian package) would be a good test/goal for 18.10.


Snaps have some issues for some of our packages. I am not sure how many 
graphics programs have plugins and how those plugins work, in Audio 
programs that use ladspa, dssi, LV2 or lxvst plugins, snap instalation 
will simply not work. Right now we have reasonable support for plugins 
because we compile the hosts with the same libs as the plugins, snaps 
would require each application to have it's own copy of all the plugins 
someone might use. If the person wanted to add a plugin not included with 
an application they would either have to build both the host and all 
plugins they use or at least find out what build environment the host uses 
so they can use the same.


I know both gimp and blender also have plugins. At least in those cases 
the plugins are application specific and can become a part of that 
application's snap environment.


Running jackd in one snap with jackd applications from other snaps may 
also be a problem.


There is already a problem with audio plugins that have been incorrectly 
built... even if upstream does it correctly, debian tends to break it :P 
Audio plugins should be built static for the most part. (can't imagine how 
big a binary that makes when the plugin dev decides to use gtk or qt for 
their GUI) Two of the offenders in this are Calf plugins and Guitarix. 
Crashes (and other troubles) are common with both. Many devs have started 
creating their own GUI toolkits to combat this.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Release Cycle for 18.04

[Len Ovens]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:



  On the other hand, it would be good to have an LTS always available.
  Many users prefer not to have to constantly update. Our 16.04 LTS
  will not be supported after April 2019.

Ross

Yeah, that’s the sucky part. It means taking steps backward as far as being an
LTS flavor, but if we simply don’t have the manpower, then that’s where we’re 
at.
Hopefully we can take the next two years to give UbuStu new life and attract
help. In the meantime, I think that’s just how it is. :(
Erich


Does an LTS have to sync with other LTS? Can we have 18.10 be LTS? I am 
guessing not as support for all 18.10 packages would become our problem :P



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] GIMP vs MyPaint - Dependency conflicts

[Erich Eickmeyer]

I’ll let Jeremy know that we’d like to keep things as-is for this cycle, but 
we’ll experiment with snaps for 18.10.



> On Apr 11, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Ross Gammon  wrote:
> 
> In my view it is too late to make such a change. We release in two weeks.
> If the current versions of gimp (2.8) and mypaint install fine, I would leave 
> it that way. I thought is was only if gimp 2.10 was installed that there was 
> the clash with mypaint?
> I think it would be a good idea to create snaps for our priority packages, 
> and encourage upstream to maintain them. And then if someone wants the latest 
> and greatest, they can install it. Adding relevant snaps to our seeds 
> )instead of the Debian package) would be a good test/goal for 18.10.
> 
> On 11/04/18 19:50, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
>> Hi again,
>> 
>> Speaking with Jeremy Bicha (and Ross, apparently you had a previous 
>> conversation), GIMP 2.10 is supposed to be out shortly. However, since 
>> libmypaint was split and the new version is dependent on a newer version, 
>> having GIMP and MyPaint installed together breaks MyPaint until its 1.3 
>> release.
>> 
>> So, the question is whether or not we keep 2.8, change GIMP to a snap, or 
>> remove MyPaint from the install.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> Erich
>> 
>> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] GIMP vs MyPaint - Dependency conflicts

[Ross Gammon]

In my view it is too late to make such a change. We release in two weeks.

If the current versions of gimp (2.8) and mypaint install fine, I would
leave it that way. I thought is was only if gimp 2.10 was installed that
there was the clash with mypaint?

I think it would be a good idea to create snaps for our priority
packages, and encourage upstream to maintain them. And then if someone
wants the latest and greatest, they can install it. Adding relevant
snaps to our seeds )instead of the Debian package) would be a good
test/goal for 18.10.

On 11/04/18 19:50, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> Speaking with Jeremy Bicha (and Ross, apparently you had a previous 
> conversation), GIMP 2.10 is supposed to be out shortly. However, since 
> libmypaint was split and the new version is dependent on a newer version, 
> having GIMP and MyPaint installed together breaks MyPaint until its 1.3 
> release.
>
> So, the question is whether or not we keep 2.8, change GIMP to a snap, or 
> remove MyPaint from the install.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Erich
>
>



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Release Cycle for 18.04

[Erich Eickmeyer]

> On the other hand, it would be good to have an LTS always available. Many 
> users prefer not to have to constantly update. Our 16.04 LTS will not be 
> supported after April 2019.
> Ross
> 
Yeah, that’s the sucky part. It means taking steps backward as far as being an 
LTS flavor, but if we simply don’t have the manpower, then that’s where we’re 
at. Hopefully we can take the next two years to give UbuStu new life and 
attract help. In the meantime, I think that’s just how it is. :(

Erich


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[ubuntu-studio-devel] GIMP vs MyPaint - Dependency conflicts

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hi again,

Speaking with Jeremy Bicha (and Ross, apparently you had a previous 
conversation), GIMP 2.10 is supposed to be out shortly. However, since 
libmypaint was split and the new version is dependent on a newer version, 
having GIMP and MyPaint installed together breaks MyPaint until its 1.3 release.

So, the question is whether or not we keep 2.8, change GIMP to a snap, or 
remove MyPaint from the install.

Thoughts?

Erich


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Release Cycle for 18.04

[Ross Gammon]

+1

No point claiming support if there isn't any.

We have really only relied on the fact that Xubuntu were helping to
support our desktop, and everything in "main" being supported by
Canonical. We have not had the manpower for SRU (Stable Release Updates)
for the other multimedia packages we care about.

On the other hand, it would be good to have an LTS always available.
Many users prefer not to have to constantly update. Our 16.04 LTS will
not be supported after April 2019.

Ross


On 11/04/18 18:55, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I’ve been speaking with Simon Quigley and he suggested that, due to manpower, 
> we drop 18.04 from being LTS and just go with a 9-month release for this 
> cycle. Thoughts?
>
> Erich
>
>



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[ubuntu-studio-devel] Release Cycle for 18.04

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hey all,

I’ve been speaking with Simon Quigley and he suggested that, due to manpower, 
we drop 18.04 from being LTS and just go with a 9-month release for this cycle. 
Thoughts?

Erich


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