Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Vision for 19.04 and beyond
On 10/13/2018 11:54 AM, Len Ovens wrote: > On Sat, 13 Oct 2018, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > >> === Phase 1 (GOAL: 19.04) === >> >> Make ubuntustudio-installer the only package people need to install to >> bolt-on Ubuntu Studio's tools to their existing Ubuntu (or flavor >> thereof) install, thereby enabling people to use Ubuntu Studio inside of >> whatever is their favorite DE. > > Are we changing the GUI lib? > I don't think that's necessary. Qt environments (such as Plasma) are good at using GTK nowadays, and already have GTK installed for the most part. I don't think it's worth changing the GUI lib unless there's a really compelling reason to do so. Changing the GUI lib could be too much time investment for low return. >> * Modify ubuntustudio-installer to depend on ubuntustudio-controls > > >> * Split the lowlatency kernel grub selection settings from >> ubuntustudio-default-settings into its own package >> (ubuntustudio-lowlatency-kernel) that depends on linux-lowlatency. I've >> already done this and will get this synced soon. > > There are two more settings I would include in that move, swapiness > and timer permisions. Swappiness could be something that is useful for > graphics/video too (comments?). > Okay, that would be good. >> * Add the ubuntustudio-lowlatency-kernel to the ubuntustudio-audio >> metapackage, since people who need audio optimization are the only ones >> that need the lowlatency package. > > If we do this, I would suggest fixing the grub file so that it gives > lowlatency as default like now, but also have generic as the second > option and default if there is no lowlatency. Also generic should be > labeled as such. Basically the grub hack should get fixed really > this should be an upstream thing. If there is more than one kind of > kernel they should all be listed and there should be a user parameter > that chooses a type for default with fallback should that type not be > available. > Yes. Good idea. I noticed two entries: Ubuntu (lowlatency) and Ubuntu, which both load the lowlatency kernel. This could definitely use some cleanup. >> === Phase 2 (GOAL: 19.10) === > > Too far ahead for me to think about :) but reasonable anyway. > Yeah, that was the point. :) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Vision for 19.04 and beyond
On Sat, 13 Oct 2018, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: == Meetings == It was brought to my attention that our bi-weekly IRC meetings were hard to make, and I have to agree. Saturdays are a time where I need so spend time with my family, and it's hard do to that when I'm in an IRC meeting for 90 minutes and then have to head to work that afternoon/evening. It was recommended we do a bi-weekly check-in via email, and that seemed to be the most viable option. So, going forward, I will be sending emails to check-in on how we're doing with our projects. OK Since we ran into issues that really need a lot more resources than we have currently, I recommended halting the additional DE iso spins. Instead, I think we should come at this from a multiple-phased approach. === Phase 1 (GOAL: 19.04) === Make ubuntustudio-installer the only package people need to install to bolt-on Ubuntu Studio's tools to their existing Ubuntu (or flavor thereof) install, thereby enabling people to use Ubuntu Studio inside of whatever is their favorite DE. Are we changing the GUI lib? * Modify ubuntustudio-installer to depend on ubuntustudio-controls * Split the lowlatency kernel grub selection settings from ubuntustudio-default-settings into its own package (ubuntustudio-lowlatency-kernel) that depends on linux-lowlatency. I've already done this and will get this synced soon. There are two more settings I would include in that move, swapiness and timer permisions. Swappiness could be something that is useful for graphics/video too (comments?). * Add the ubuntustudio-lowlatency-kernel to the ubuntustudio-audio metapackage, since people who need audio optimization are the only ones that need the lowlatency package. If we do this, I would suggest fixing the grub file so that it gives lowlatency as default like now, but also have generic as the second option and default if there is no lowlatency. Also generic should be labeled as such. Basically the grub hack should get fixed really this should be an upstream thing. If there is more than one kind of kernel they should all be listed and there should be a user parameter that chooses a type for default with fallback should that type not be available. === Phase 2 (GOAL: 19.10) === Too far ahead for me to think about :) but reasonable anyway. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[ubuntu-studio-devel] Vision for 19.04 and beyond
Hi Everyone! Sorry it's been so long since I've written something here. Things have been busy at work, and even though I am a part-time employee where I work, sometimes I end up with full-time hours. Anyhow, I thought I'd address a few things I'm seeing in the ML and other areas, but I want to first talk about some ideas I've had going forward for Ubuntu Studio. == Meetings == It was brought to my attention that our bi-weekly IRC meetings were hard to make, and I have to agree. Saturdays are a time where I need so spend time with my family, and it's hard do to that when I'm in an IRC meeting for 90 minutes and then have to head to work that afternoon/evening. It was recommended we do a bi-weekly check-in via email, and that seemed to be the most viable option. So, going forward, I will be sending emails to check-in on how we're doing with our projects. == Desktop Environments == Since we ran into issues that really need a lot more resources than we have currently, I recommended halting the additional DE iso spins. Instead, I think we should come at this from a multiple-phased approach. === Phase 1 (GOAL: 19.04) === Make ubuntustudio-installer the only package people need to install to bolt-on Ubuntu Studio's tools to their existing Ubuntu (or flavor thereof) install, thereby enabling people to use Ubuntu Studio inside of whatever is their favorite DE. * Modify ubuntustudio-installer to depend on ubuntustudio-controls * Split the lowlatency kernel grub selection settings from ubuntustudio-default-settings into its own package (ubuntustudio-lowlatency-kernel) that depends on linux-lowlatency. I've already done this and will get this synced soon. * Add the ubuntustudio-lowlatency-kernel to the ubuntustudio-audio metapackage, since people who need audio optimization are the only ones that need the lowlatency package. === Phase 2 (GOAL: 19.10) === Create metapackages to optionally change the branding of Ubuntu (or flavor thereof) install to Ubuntu Studio, make that metapackage(s) available in ubuntustudio-installer. Have those metapackages depend on the corresponding flavor -desktop package in preparation for phase 3 among other reasons. I already have a proof-of-concept in one of my PPAs for a default (gnome-based) Ubuntu install. === Phase 3 (GOAL: 20.04) === Add the DE branding metapackages to the Ubiquity installer plugin so that, while the default DE is Xfce, people can install any DE they want at install time. Aside from the Xfce default install, this would require an active internet connection similar to how updates get optionally downloaded at install time. That's what I've got, and I think this is a good way to stop overthinking the strategy. You'll notice that Phase 1 is more detailed than Phase 2, which, along with Phase 3, still need details ironed-out. But, I think if we spread this out, the goals become much more attainable. I hope this helps clear-up some of the conversation in this ML. Feel free to respond with thoughts and ideas. Thanks, Erich signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
