Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

2019-01-31 Thread Erich Eickmeyer 
Because that’s not how it works. If it’s in upstream Debian, it is in Ubuntu. 
Remember, Ubuntu Studio is not a separate distribution from Ubuntu. Therefore, 
when a package is in Debian, we work with that.



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Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

What about not pulling the package from Debian due to this and compiling it 
specifically for US?

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Sent: 01 February 2019 06:56
To: Ubuntu Studio Development 
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Yes. The Calf developers have and were met with the response of a brick wall. 
Ross is working on it.



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Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Has anyone tried to speak to the maintainer to try and ascertain the reasoning 
behind it?

Regards,
Jonathan

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Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

LMMS isn’t the problem.  The problem was erroneous packaging by the Debian 
packager.

The ladspa version of the Calf plugins were never meant to be exposed to other 
applications besides LMMS, but the packager of LMMS in Debian decided to expose 
the ladpsa version to the rest of the system against the advice of both the 
Calf and LMMS developers.


Erich



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Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Has anyone even subscribed to the lmms mailing list to discuss this there and 
maybe get it squared away once and for all?

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Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Hi everyone,

Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence conflict 
(LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably fail until we can 
get lmms from Debian to build properly.

So, any more word?

Thanks,
Erich
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

2019-01-31 Thread Jonathan Aquilina 
What about not pulling the package from Debian due to this and compiling it 
specifically for US?

From: ubuntu-studio-devel  On 
Behalf Of Erich Eickmeyer
Sent: 01 February 2019 06:56
To: Ubuntu Studio Development 
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Yes. The Calf developers have and were met with the response of a brick wall. 
Ross is working on it.



From: ubuntu-studio-devel 
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Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:54 PM
To: Ubuntu Studio Development
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Has anyone tried to speak to the maintainer to try and ascertain the reasoning 
behind it?

Regards,
Jonathan

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 On Behalf Of Erich Eickmeyer
Sent: 01 February 2019 06:43
To: Ubuntu Studio Development 
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Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

LMMS isn't the problem.  The problem was erroneous packaging by the Debian 
packager.

The ladspa version of the Calf plugins were never meant to be exposed to other 
applications besides LMMS, but the packager of LMMS in Debian decided to expose 
the ladpsa version to the rest of the system against the advice of both the 
Calf and LMMS developers.


Erich



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Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:39 PM
To: Ubuntu Studio Development
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Has anyone even subscribed to the lmms mailing list to discuss this there and 
maybe get it squared away once and for all?

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Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Hi everyone,

Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence conflict 
(LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably fail until we can 
get lmms from Debian to build properly.

So, any more word?

Thanks,
Erich
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

2019-01-31 Thread Erich Eickmeyer 
Yes. The Calf developers have and were met with the response of a brick wall. 
Ross is working on it.



From: ubuntu-studio-devel  on 
behalf of Jonathan Aquilina 
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:54 PM
To: Ubuntu Studio Development
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Has anyone tried to speak to the maintainer to try and ascertain the reasoning 
behind it?

Regards,
Jonathan

From: ubuntu-studio-devel  On 
Behalf Of Erich Eickmeyer
Sent: 01 February 2019 06:43
To: Ubuntu Studio Development 
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

LMMS isn’t the problem.  The problem was erroneous packaging by the Debian 
packager.

The ladspa version of the Calf plugins were never meant to be exposed to other 
applications besides LMMS, but the packager of LMMS in Debian decided to expose 
the ladpsa version to the rest of the system against the advice of both the 
Calf and LMMS developers.


Erich



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Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Has anyone even subscribed to the lmms mailing list to discuss this there and 
maybe get it squared away once and for all?

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Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Hi everyone,

Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence conflict 
(LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably fail until we can 
get lmms from Debian to build properly.

So, any more word?

Thanks,
Erich
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

2019-01-31 Thread Jonathan Aquilina 
Has anyone tried to speak to the maintainer to try and ascertain the reasoning 
behind it?

Regards,
Jonathan

From: ubuntu-studio-devel  On 
Behalf Of Erich Eickmeyer
Sent: 01 February 2019 06:43
To: Ubuntu Studio Development 
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

LMMS isn't the problem.  The problem was erroneous packaging by the Debian 
packager.

The ladspa version of the Calf plugins were never meant to be exposed to other 
applications besides LMMS, but the packager of LMMS in Debian decided to expose 
the ladpsa version to the rest of the system against the advice of both the 
Calf and LMMS developers.


Erich



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To: Ubuntu Studio Development
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Has anyone even subscribed to the lmms mailing list to discuss this there and 
maybe get it squared away once and for all?

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Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Hi everyone,

Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence conflict 
(LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably fail until we can 
get lmms from Debian to build properly.

So, any more word?

Thanks,
Erich
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

2019-01-31 Thread Erich Eickmeyer 
LMMS isn’t the problem.  The problem was erroneous packaging by the Debian 
packager.

The ladspa version of the Calf plugins were never meant to be exposed to other 
applications besides LMMS, but the packager of LMMS in Debian decided to expose 
the ladpsa version to the rest of the system against the advice of both the 
Calf and LMMS developers.


Erich



From: ubuntu-studio-devel  on 
behalf of Jonathan Aquilina 
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:39 PM
To: Ubuntu Studio Development
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Has anyone even subscribed to the lmms mailing list to discuss this there and 
maybe get it squared away once and for all?

-Original Message-
From: ubuntu-studio-devel  On 
Behalf Of er...@ericheickmeyer.com
Sent: 01 February 2019 00:49
To: Ubuntu Studio Development 
Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Hi everyone,

Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence conflict 
(LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably fail until we can 
get lmms from Debian to build properly.

So, any more word?

Thanks,
Erich
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

2019-01-31 Thread Jonathan Aquilina 
Has anyone even subscribed to the lmms mailing list to discuss this there and 
maybe get it squared away once and for all?

-Original Message-
From: ubuntu-studio-devel  On 
Behalf Of er...@ericheickmeyer.com
Sent: 01 February 2019 00:49
To: Ubuntu Studio Development 
Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

Hi everyone,

Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence conflict 
(LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably fail until we can 
get lmms from Debian to build properly.

So, any more word?

Thanks,
Erich
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

2019-01-31 Thread Len Ovens 

On Thu, 31 Jan 2019, er...@ericheickmeyer.com wrote:


Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence
conflict (LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably
fail until we can get lmms from Debian to build properly.


Wait for LMMS to stop using depricated plugins? Then include it.

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[ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga

2019-01-31 Thread erich 
Hi everyone,

Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence
conflict (LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably
fail until we can get lmms from Debian to build properly.

So, any more word?

Thanks,
Erich


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