[ubuntu-studio-devel] Feature Freeze for 19.04
Hi everyone, As you may or may not know, Feature Freeze for the 19.04 development cycle is coming up on Thursday (21st). We have a number of packages that need to get pushed through, namely: carla grub2-themes-ubuntustudio which are brand-new packages. Carla is at version 1.9.13 (2.0-RC3). When Carla gets uploaded, we should drop Patchage in favor of Carla as Patchage is no longer developed. Additionally, we have updates for the following packages: ubuntustudio-icon-theme ubuntustudio-installer ubuntustudio-default-settings ubuntustudio-controls ubuntustudio-look ubuntustudio-menu Hopefully after this release cycle I'll be able to apply for MOTU so that we can work a little more autonomously Today, after asking Len about it, I switched -icon-theme to base off of the ePapirus icon theme (from the papirus-icon-theme package) for three reasons: 1) The Xubuntu icon theme is based on the Elementary icon theme, which changed from its more blue color to beige. This didn't blend well with our Numix Blue GTK theme. 2) Papirus has a very modern aesthetic that blends extremely well with our Numix Blue theme. I went with ePapirus because the standard Papirus theme from the package blended a little too well with our dark panel. I wouldn't mind hearing some feedback on this changed. It's one that is easily reverted if necessary. I realize that icon themes can be a touchy subject, so I understand if there are disagreements to this matter. So, in summary, we need to do what we can to get these packages moved through, and let me know what you think about the icons. Best regards, Erich -- Erich Eickmeyer Council Chair Ubuntu Studio ubuntustudio.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Audio Handbook
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: On Tue, 2019-02-19 at 10:31 -0800, Len Ovens wrote: aside, these plugins even when properly packaged, do sometimes cause crashes in combination with other plugins which use the same GUI lib but different version (gtk2 vs gtk3). My understanding is that the Calf team is working on a GUI toolkit to replace GTK. (GTK or QT should never be used as a plugin toolkit and any toolkit used should be compiled in static) Can confirm: https://github.com/calf-studio-gear/CTK Seems as though Markus has been quite busy lately. Good. There's really quite a combination of problems here, and it is a very touchy subject on both sides. Either way, I feel as though remove Calf altogether and removing it from the Audio Handbook is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. No, don't remove it, As I said their are people who like the way it sounds even if it is not the best sounding stuff out there. I would just not put it down in the manual as my first choice or a preferable choice even. Better to give a list of packages in reverse aphabetical order ;) and let the user choose. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Audio Handbook
On Tue, 2019-02-19 at 10:31 -0800, Len Ovens wrote: > On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > > > The entire problem with the calf plugins stems from bad packaging > > of > > the calf-ladspa plugins, which comes in the lmms package and was > > never > > meant to be exposed to the rest of th esystem. bacically, Ardour > > will > Not true. Only one of the problems comes from bad packaging. There > are > others. Some people find the DSP problems artistic though I can't > imagine > anyone finding 1000db outputs artisitic (or helpful to ones > speakers). Is there a bug report for this? I couldn't find one. > > So DSP > aside, these plugins even when properly packaged, do sometimes cause > crashes in combination with other plugins which use the same GUI lib > but > different version (gtk2 vs gtk3). My understanding is that the Calf > team > is working on a GUI toolkit to replace GTK. (GTK or QT should never > be > used as a plugin toolkit and any toolkit used should be compiled in > static) Can confirm: https://github.com/calf-studio-gear/CTK Seems as though Markus has been quite busy lately. There's really quite a combination of problems here, and it is a very touchy subject on both sides. Either way, I feel as though remove Calf altogether and removing it from the Audio Handbook is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Erich -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Audio Handbook
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: The entire problem with the calf plugins stems from bad packaging of the calf-ladspa plugins, which comes in the lmms package and was never meant to be exposed to the rest of th esystem. bacically, Ardour will Not true. Only one of the problems comes from bad packaging. There are others. Some people find the DSP problems artistic though I can't imagine anyone finding 1000db outputs artisitic (or helpful to ones speakers). So DSP aside, these plugins even when properly packaged, do sometimes cause crashes in combination with other plugins which use the same GUI lib but different version (gtk2 vs gtk3). My understanding is that the Calf team is working on a GUI toolkit to replace GTK. (GTK or QT should never be used as a plugin toolkit and any toolkit used should be compiled in static) -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Audio Handbook
On 2/19/19 5:47 PM, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > Yet the problem with LMMS using calf-ladspa as a dependency persists, > and while Ross was able to fix the Debian package upstream, there have > been some build issues with the ppc64 build, which Ross is working on > to correct, before it can land in 19.04. For now, LMMS has been removed > from Ubuntu Studio, and while we would like to add it back, we have to > give it lower priority since it uses a depricated plugin format that is > conflicting with other parts of the system. I hopefully have a fix, and it is waiting for sponsorship. We will have to wait and see if it fixes it, because I have no way to test on the ppc64el architecture. Ross -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Audio Handbook
Hi Ralf On Tue, 2019-02-19 at 09:30 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hi, > > [snip] Your message was a little long, so I snipped the entire thing. I hope what I write here addresses it. The entire problem with the calf plugins stems from bad packaging of the calf-ladspa plugins, which comes in the lmms package and was never meant to be exposed to the rest of th esystem. bacically, Ardour will crash if it even detects those plugins. The ladspa plugins were made specifically for LMMS and were not ever meant to be exposed to the rest of the system, which is what is causing a huge conflict with the more modern LV2 plugins. https://github.com/calf-studio-gear/calf/issues/181 https://github.com/calf-studio-gear/calf/issues/134 Additionally, the Calf project had a major release back in November 2017 with 0.90.0, but the maintainer of the Debian package MIA, I took on the job of packaging it. Since then, a major issue popped-up which was indeed causing issues with Ardour (and probably the biggest source or their gripes) and was fixed with the release of 0.90.1, which is discussed in #181 above. I got the packaging done and Ross got it upstream into Debian. 0.90.1 is being included with Ubuntu Studio 19.04, and I'm considering pulling the package to backport it to 18.04 in our backports PPA. Yet the problem with LMMS using calf-ladspa as a dependency persists, and while Ross was able to fix the Debian package upstream, there have been some build issues with the ppc64 build, which Ross is working on to correct, before it can land in 19.04. For now, LMMS has been removed from Ubuntu Studio, and while we would like to add it back, we have to give it lower priority since it uses a depricated plugin format that is conflicting with other parts of the system. So, all that to say your requests to remove Calf Studio Gear from Ubuntu Studio or to remove that piece of the Audio Handbook are denied. We have worked way too hard to fix the problems rather than cover them up or to take on any anti-Calf policy as Ardour has done. Thank you, Erich --- Erich Eickmeyer Council Chair Ubuntu Studio signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Audio Handbook
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 09:30:45 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >There were a lot of discussions related to Calf >plugins, perhaps the AudioHandbook should take them into account, for >example >http://lists.ardour.org/pipermail/ardour-users-ardour.org/2018-November/date.html. Oops, this is the link where a related thread starts: http://lists.ardour.org/pipermail/ardour-users-ardour.org/2018-November/028963.html -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Audio Handbook
Hi, I found something that I don't want to edit without your agreement. "Having tried out a few of these tools, my favorites list ended up with mostly standard Calf plugins. They come with an intuitive GUI and get the job done." - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/AudioHandbook/MixingMastering It doesn't make sense, if each editor would start to edit this to something different. There were a lot of discussions related to Calf plugins, perhaps the AudioHandbook should take them into account, for example http://lists.ardour.org/pipermail/ardour-users-ardour.org/2018-November/date.html. At the moment I can't say anything about multiband compressor replacements, however, much important for mastering is an equalizer, while for mastering a graphical equalizer could be wanted for the stereo sum, I unfortunately can't say much about Linux graphical equalizers. Fortunately I'm comfortable with a parametric equalizer for the stereo sum, too. Per track British EQing, IOW a parametric EQ anyway is the way to go. My recommendation is to remove "Having tried out a few of these tools, my favorites list ended up with mostly standard Calf plugins. They come with an intuitive GUI and get the job done." completely and to replace it with a hint to Fons' parametric EQ https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/fil-plugins, since this is the only Linux FLOSS EQ I ever used, that is usable. A lot of other EQ plugins do not really do, what they should do and I'm without doubts a lot of other users confirm this experience. For those who prefer a fancy GUI, there is Robin's EQ based upon Fons' EQ. https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/x42-plugins https://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-eq Perhaps the Handbook could mention: "Some plugins are known to cause issues with some hosts or they are known for fishy accuracy. A much used parametric EQ known to do what it should do, is provided by the package "fil-plugins" or with a GUI, by the package "x42-plugins". This is what I would write, it's missing a hint to a recommended compressor, graphic EQ and limiter, but at least it's IMO a good recommendation for a parametric EQ. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
