Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Default Wallpaper Design, WAS: Re: ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 106, Issue 15
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016, at 03:47 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 14:02:04 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > >On Thu, Feb 18, 2016, at 07:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> IOW instead of > >> > >>"Blue -violet -orange" consider to use > >> "pastel blue - pastel violet - pastel red" > > > >Would you be interesting in providing us with an example of these > >colors, so we can see for ourselves? > > Hi, > > screenshot and for experimenting with colours, opacity and contrast by > layers, also a Gimp file attached. > > Regards, > Ralf > -- Thanks Ralf. Very clear colors. But, the look of it is a bit too soft for me using pastel colors. It's an interesting proposal, but I have trouble finding the right path from this junction - where to go with the pastel colors, that is. I did a mockup for the wallpaper, as I've said before. After sleeping on it for a day or so, I would like to make it available. It's a very classic design, for me. The one I did for 13.10 has much resemblance to the technique with colors and shades (though I used a single color and a pattern for 1310). Using this design I feel it could benefit from a bit more complexity, so I'm not satisfied, but I still feel it could work somehow as a basis for a unified design. See for yourselves. I've put my mockup in the branch ubuntustudio-artwork. Get it with: bzr branch lp:ubuntustudio-artwork Then, you'll find the mockups in the dir: ubuntustudio-artwork/16.04/unified-design-1604/mockups/ I'll also put Ralfs stuff in there in a moment. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Default Wallpaper Design, WAS: Re: ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 106, Issue 15
PS: This way those "fresh" colours on my monitor seem not to be that fresh, but they might be a good starting point for experimenting. However, I don't have the time to do it.-- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Default Wallpaper Design, WAS: Re: ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 106, Issue 15
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 14:02:04 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: >On Thu, Feb 18, 2016, at 07:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> IOW instead of >> >>"Blue -violet -orange" consider to use >> "pastel blue - pastel violet - pastel red" > >Would you be interesting in providing us with an example of these >colors, so we can see for ourselves? Hi, screenshot and for experimenting with colours, opacity and contrast by layers, also a Gimp file attached. Regards, Ralf-- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Default Wallpaper Design, WAS: Re: ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 106, Issue 15
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016, at 07:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > If you consider "red" as too aggressiv and perhaps too dominating, then > replacing it by "orange" breaks your idea of "video is a mix of audio > and graphics". > > You could solve it by not replacing "red" by "orange", but instead by > giving the colours a pastel shade. > > IOW instead of > >"Blue -violet -orange" consider to use > "pastel blue - pastel violet - pastel red" Would you be interesting in providing us with an example of these colors, so we can see for ourselves? I'm not an expert in colors, so much of my reasoning is not perfect. When I use the three colors, the blue is changed during the process when mixing it with other components of the full image. At least when using it as a background component. I have found a mix of the three colors I've mentioned to look good, and that is of course the most important thing. Using the colors for our three categories would then give some symbolism, even if they are not fully logical according to either the color cycle, or how we perceive colors. > so the viewer is able to follow the idea of "video is a mix of audio > and graphics". The "pastel blue" isn't the Ubuntu Studio logo default > colour, but that doesn't matter and anyway wouldn't make sense, since > Ubuntu Studio isn't = audio, audio is just the most likely most > important domain of Ubuntu Studio, which is good represented by a > different shade of blue. > > You not necessarily need to follow the idea [1] "video is a mix of audio > and graphics", but if you do so, it needs to "add up", you also could > mix "blue" with another colour, but then the result needs to be > plausible for at least one, additive mixing of colours or for > subtractive mixing of colours. > > [1] Actually video not necessarily is a mix of audio and video, keyword > "silent movie", OTOH the idea to mix colours for the design is a > good idea, makes sense, but it's not absolutely correct, video and > audio always are two separated things, even while film comes with > analog optical sound, > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Dynamic_Digital_Sound#/media/File:35mm_film_audio_macro.jpg > we usually often can't mix optical impressions with audio > impressions, especially for digital television that often isn't > lip-sync :D. > -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Default Wallpaper Design, WAS: Re: ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 106, Issue 15
>>> Purple is a mix between red and blue, just as video is a mix of >>> audio and graphics. Orange is not red, but close enough. Pure red >>> may be too aggressive. On top of that, both orange and purple are >>> used a lot of Ubuntu vanilla, so there's that too. Actually what humans usually consider as being "red", already is an "orange" tone. In design the complementary colours could become important, regarding interaction of foreground and background, resp. the so called colour-in-itself contrast, enhanced by the complementary contrast. purple, aka violet - yellow blue - orange (some people, perhaps Kandinsky, at least I, prefer blue - yellow instead of orange, theory of colours isn't objective) red/magenta - green (actually what we call red isn't red, red is an orange tone) It differs for technical systems (RGB), but that's unimportant regarding the sentiment, while OTOH issues with colour rendering could become important, at least for television "red" is a critical colour. However, yet the above is unimportant. Important is that the idea of "video is a mix of audio and graphics" needs to work for the viewer. What we humans usually call "red"and "blue" becomes "violet", but what we humans usually call "orange" and "blue" doesn't. If you consider "red" as too aggressiv and perhaps too dominating, then replacing it by "orange" breaks your idea of "video is a mix of audio and graphics". You could solve it by not replacing "red" by "orange", but instead by giving the colours a pastel shade. IOW instead of "Blue -violet -orange" consider to use "pastel blue - pastel violet - pastel red" so the viewer is able to follow the idea of "video is a mix of audio and graphics". The "pastel blue" isn't the Ubuntu Studio logo default colour, but that doesn't matter and anyway wouldn't make sense, since Ubuntu Studio isn't = audio, audio is just the most likely most important domain of Ubuntu Studio, which is good represented by a different shade of blue. You not necessarily need to follow the idea [1] "video is a mix of audio and graphics", but if you do so, it needs to "add up", you also could mix "blue" with another colour, but then the result needs to be plausible for at least one, additive mixing of colours or for subtractive mixing of colours. [1] Actually video not necessarily is a mix of audio and video, keyword "silent movie", OTOH the idea to mix colours for the design is a good idea, makes sense, but it's not absolutely correct, video and audio always are two separated things, even while film comes with analog optical sound, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Dynamic_Digital_Sound#/media/File:35mm_film_audio_macro.jpg we usually often can't mix optical impressions with audio impressions, especially for digital television that often isn't lip-sync :D. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Default Wallpaper Design, WAS: Re: ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 106, Issue 15
On 2016-02-17 22:33, Jimmy Sjölund one.com wrote: On 2016-02-17 22:23, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: On Wed, Feb 17, 2016, at 08:44 PM, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: On Wed, Feb 17, 2016, at 08:39 PM, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: I have an idea, which I do think we should be able to get done. It's pretty simple, and symbolic. It should not be hard to make it look good. These are some possible elements of the image that we could develop together: * Incorporate the CoF somehow * A fairly dark and neutral background color. * Three fuzzy lights, like stage lights, each one representing a main category (blue for audio, but the exact colors for graphics and video need to be reevaluated). * Visual elements from the kind of digital tools we provide, like sequencer graphics (not a real sequencer, but a simple design), 3D model fundamentals, a photograph, that sort of thing The visual elements could be in a single color, using the category colors for each. That way, three fuzzy lights may be superfluous, and the image would be even more focused. # Did a mockup, but not going to show you yet I took some time to play around. I found that using three colors for the background works pretty well. It sits right, both visually and symbolically. So, I really feel like doing something with the three colors as basis is the way to go. I don't have a mockup worthy to show you, but just want to spill my thoughts on that, in case someone wants to pick this up and do some stuff with it. # About the colors The colors that feel the most right to me are: * blue for audio (our standard blue, used for our CoF) * orange for graphics * purple for video The logic behind the colors: Purple is a mix between red and blue, just as video is a mix of audio and graphics. Orange is not red, but close enough. Pure red may be too aggressive. On top of that, both orange and purple are used a lot of Ubuntu vanilla, so there's that too. If having the colors side by side, purple seems the best fit to have in the middle, considering the relationship between the colors. I would put blue to the left (which from a western POW is the start of a page). We are already using those colors in ubuntustudio-menu, but that doesn't mean we can't change them, if we want. I would like to revisit the exact hue of those though. # Schedule I'm not going to work too intensively on this myself during the next week, at least. But, I will revisit as soon as I'm able. We should have a final candidate of the default wallpaper ready about 1 month before release (final beta), but we can always make last minute changes, if we really need to. Sounds like a plan to me! Nice! I agree with the direction in terms of colors and direction I created this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialXenial I invite you all to help me keep it up to date. The look and themeing and iconing has many different branches in launchpad, i have listed all those that seem to fit for anything related to look and feel. Probably included some that shouldn't be there or missed other, but i can't help but notice that it is infact many different , ehm, "sources?" I need help to understand how these things are packaged. :) To tighten up the consistency of the look, we could benefit from tightening up these branches. I'm not sure, as y'all know i'm still trying to familiarize myself to the launchpad system. ANyways! lets do this! :) Yours, Set -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Default Wallpaper Design, WAS: Re: ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 106, Issue 15
On 2016-02-17 22:23, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: On Wed, Feb 17, 2016, at 08:44 PM, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: On Wed, Feb 17, 2016, at 08:39 PM, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: I have an idea, which I do think we should be able to get done. It's pretty simple, and symbolic. It should not be hard to make it look good. These are some possible elements of the image that we could develop together: * Incorporate the CoF somehow * A fairly dark and neutral background color. * Three fuzzy lights, like stage lights, each one representing a main category (blue for audio, but the exact colors for graphics and video need to be reevaluated). * Visual elements from the kind of digital tools we provide, like sequencer graphics (not a real sequencer, but a simple design), 3D model fundamentals, a photograph, that sort of thing The visual elements could be in a single color, using the category colors for each. That way, three fuzzy lights may be superfluous, and the image would be even more focused. # Did a mockup, but not going to show you yet I took some time to play around. I found that using three colors for the background works pretty well. It sits right, both visually and symbolically. So, I really feel like doing something with the three colors as basis is the way to go. I don't have a mockup worthy to show you, but just want to spill my thoughts on that, in case someone wants to pick this up and do some stuff with it. # About the colors The colors that feel the most right to me are: * blue for audio (our standard blue, used for our CoF) * orange for graphics * purple for video The logic behind the colors: Purple is a mix between red and blue, just as video is a mix of audio and graphics. Orange is not red, but close enough. Pure red may be too aggressive. On top of that, both orange and purple are used a lot of Ubuntu vanilla, so there's that too. If having the colors side by side, purple seems the best fit to have in the middle, considering the relationship between the colors. I would put blue to the left (which from a western POW is the start of a page). We are already using those colors in ubuntustudio-menu, but that doesn't mean we can't change them, if we want. I would like to revisit the exact hue of those though. # Schedule I'm not going to work too intensively on this myself during the next week, at least. But, I will revisit as soon as I'm able. We should have a final candidate of the default wallpaper ready about 1 month before release (final beta), but we can always make last minute changes, if we really need to. Sounds like a plan to me! -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[ubuntu-studio-devel] Default Wallpaper Design, WAS: Re: ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 106, Issue 15
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016, at 08:44 PM, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016, at 08:39 PM, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > > > > I have an idea, which I do think we should be able to get done. It's > > pretty simple, and symbolic. It should not be hard to make it look good. > > > > These are some possible elements of the image that we could develop > > together: > > > > * Incorporate the CoF somehow > > * A fairly dark and neutral background color. > > * Three fuzzy lights, like stage lights, each one representing a main > > category (blue for audio, but the exact colors for graphics and video > > need to be reevaluated). > > * Visual elements from the kind of digital tools we provide, like > > sequencer graphics (not a real sequencer, but a simple design), 3D model > > fundamentals, a photograph, that sort of thing > > The visual elements could be in a single color, using the category > colors for each. That way, three fuzzy lights may be superfluous, and > the image would be even more focused. > # Did a mockup, but not going to show you yet I took some time to play around. I found that using three colors for the background works pretty well. It sits right, both visually and symbolically. So, I really feel like doing something with the three colors as basis is the way to go. I don't have a mockup worthy to show you, but just want to spill my thoughts on that, in case someone wants to pick this up and do some stuff with it. # About the colors The colors that feel the most right to me are: * blue for audio (our standard blue, used for our CoF) * orange for graphics * purple for video The logic behind the colors: Purple is a mix between red and blue, just as video is a mix of audio and graphics. Orange is not red, but close enough. Pure red may be too aggressive. On top of that, both orange and purple are used a lot of Ubuntu vanilla, so there's that too. If having the colors side by side, purple seems the best fit to have in the middle, considering the relationship between the colors. I would put blue to the left (which from a western POW is the start of a page). We are already using those colors in ubuntustudio-menu, but that doesn't mean we can't change them, if we want. I would like to revisit the exact hue of those though. # Schedule I'm not going to work too intensively on this myself during the next week, at least. But, I will revisit as soon as I'm able. We should have a final candidate of the default wallpaper ready about 1 month before release (final beta), but we can always make last minute changes, if we really need to. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
