Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Future of Jamin

2021-01-05 Thread Len Ovens

On Tue, 5 Jan 2021, Ross Gammon wrote:


Should we preemptively remove Jamin from our seeds? I assume it's
typical use case of taking over mastering from Ardour is no longer
important?


I have some comments to make:
A) I have been told that the DSP in Jamin is substandard, specifically 
that the eq has large phase errors.
B) I have read lists of the tools used in recent projects and found Jamin 
is still one of those tools in many projects. So the code may be falling 
apart but people still use it.
C) There is not (that I am aware of) a tool or set of tools that can 
replace Jamin or at least there is not a tool chain that is a well 
documented for this purpose.


So I expect that Jamin will be removed and that is ok. It would be nice if 
we could come up with a Carla Project File that would include a new tool 
chain for this use. A tutorial would be wonderful as well (with or without 
Carla).


A quick example but quite old:
https://discourse.ardour.org/t/jamin-replacement/85046/3

But really, it would probably be better to have a list of generic 
mastering tutorials tha talk about processors by their generic name rather 
than specific plugins.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Future of Jamin

2021-01-05 Thread Erich Eickmeyer

Hi Ross,

On 1/5/21 8:28 AM, Ross Gammon wrote:

Hi,

I was taking a look at some of the build failures for our packages
(archive rebuild for GCC-10), and Jamin is one that is failing.

Upstream have not committed anything since 2015 (sourceforge) and I
could not find a valid fork.

Jamin was removed from Debian Testing in 2017 and nobody has stepped
into maintain the package there (Jonas has stepped down). It was kicked
out of testing for the same GCC-10 issue.

It is likely that it will be removed from Debian.

Should we preemptively remove Jamin from our seeds? I assume it's
typical use case of taking over mastering from Ardour is no longer
important?

Regards,

Ross


Probably not a bad idea. I'll remove it promptly. Bitrot is a thing. 
Looks like it's working on 20.04 but I don't really use it myself. 
Unless anybody objects, I'll go ahead and remove it.


UNRELATED: I'm applying for MOTU, would appreciate an endorsement. :) 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Eickmeyer/MOTUApplication


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[ubuntu-studio-devel] Future of Jamin

2021-01-05 Thread Ross Gammon
Hi,

I was taking a look at some of the build failures for our packages
(archive rebuild for GCC-10), and Jamin is one that is failing.

Upstream have not committed anything since 2015 (sourceforge) and I
could not find a valid fork.

Jamin was removed from Debian Testing in 2017 and nobody has stepped
into maintain the package there (Jonas has stepped down). It was kicked
out of testing for the same GCC-10 issue.

It is likely that it will be removed from Debian.

Should we preemptively remove Jamin from our seeds? I assume it's
typical use case of taking over mastering from Ardour is no longer
important?

Regards,

Ross



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