Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] GIMP vs MyPaint - Dependency conflicts

[eylul]

As much as I would really like to see 2.10 on release, this is a good
point.

From a 18.10 point of view, the main issue with snap in combination with
graphics programs used to be that snap could have issues with
integration of proprietary graphic drivers (e.g. of nvidia). This
information is several months old through so it is possible that the
issue is fixed.

Best

Eylul


On 04/11/2018 09:11 PM, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
> I’ll let Jeremy know that we’d like to keep things as-is for this
> cycle, but we’ll experiment with snaps for 18.10.
>
>
>
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Ross Gammon > > wrote:
>>
>> In my view it is too late to make such a change. We release in two weeks.
>>
>> If the current versions of gimp (2.8) and mypaint install fine, I
>> would leave it that way. I thought is was only if gimp 2.10 was
>> installed that there was the clash with mypaint?
>>
>> I think it would be a good idea to create snaps for our priority
>> packages, and encourage upstream to maintain them. And then if
>> someone wants the latest and greatest, they can install it. Adding
>> relevant snaps to our seeds )instead of the Debian package) would be
>> a good test/goal for 18.10.
>>
>> On 11/04/18 19:50, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
>>> Hi again,
>>>
>>> Speaking with Jeremy Bicha (and Ross, apparently you had a previous 
>>> conversation), GIMP 2.10 is supposed to be out shortly. However, since 
>>> libmypaint was split and the new version is dependent on a newer version, 
>>> having GIMP and MyPaint installed together breaks MyPaint until its 1.3 
>>> release.
>>>
>>> So, the question is whether or not we keep 2.8, change GIMP to a snap, or 
>>> remove MyPaint from the install.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Erich
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] GIMP vs MyPaint - Dependency conflicts

[Len Ovens]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, Ross Gammon wrote:


I think it would be a good idea to create snaps for our priority packages, and
encourage upstream to maintain them. And then if someone wants the latest and


Upstream? in most cases won't happen.


greatest, they can install it. Adding relevant snaps to our seeds )instead of 
the
Debian package) would be a good test/goal for 18.10.


Snaps have some issues for some of our packages. I am not sure how many 
graphics programs have plugins and how those plugins work, in Audio 
programs that use ladspa, dssi, LV2 or lxvst plugins, snap instalation 
will simply not work. Right now we have reasonable support for plugins 
because we compile the hosts with the same libs as the plugins, snaps 
would require each application to have it's own copy of all the plugins 
someone might use. If the person wanted to add a plugin not included with 
an application they would either have to build both the host and all 
plugins they use or at least find out what build environment the host uses 
so they can use the same.


I know both gimp and blender also have plugins. At least in those cases 
the plugins are application specific and can become a part of that 
application's snap environment.


Running jackd in one snap with jackd applications from other snaps may 
also be a problem.


There is already a problem with audio plugins that have been incorrectly 
built... even if upstream does it correctly, debian tends to break it :P 
Audio plugins should be built static for the most part. (can't imagine how 
big a binary that makes when the plugin dev decides to use gtk or qt for 
their GUI) Two of the offenders in this are Calf plugins and Guitarix. 
Crashes (and other troubles) are common with both. Many devs have started 
creating their own GUI toolkits to combat this.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] GIMP vs MyPaint - Dependency conflicts

[Erich Eickmeyer]

I’ll let Jeremy know that we’d like to keep things as-is for this cycle, but 
we’ll experiment with snaps for 18.10.



> On Apr 11, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Ross Gammon  wrote:
> 
> In my view it is too late to make such a change. We release in two weeks.
> If the current versions of gimp (2.8) and mypaint install fine, I would leave 
> it that way. I thought is was only if gimp 2.10 was installed that there was 
> the clash with mypaint?
> I think it would be a good idea to create snaps for our priority packages, 
> and encourage upstream to maintain them. And then if someone wants the latest 
> and greatest, they can install it. Adding relevant snaps to our seeds 
> )instead of the Debian package) would be a good test/goal for 18.10.
> 
> On 11/04/18 19:50, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
>> Hi again,
>> 
>> Speaking with Jeremy Bicha (and Ross, apparently you had a previous 
>> conversation), GIMP 2.10 is supposed to be out shortly. However, since 
>> libmypaint was split and the new version is dependent on a newer version, 
>> having GIMP and MyPaint installed together breaks MyPaint until its 1.3 
>> release.
>> 
>> So, the question is whether or not we keep 2.8, change GIMP to a snap, or 
>> remove MyPaint from the install.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> Erich
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] GIMP vs MyPaint - Dependency conflicts

[Ross Gammon]

In my view it is too late to make such a change. We release in two weeks.

If the current versions of gimp (2.8) and mypaint install fine, I would
leave it that way. I thought is was only if gimp 2.10 was installed that
there was the clash with mypaint?

I think it would be a good idea to create snaps for our priority
packages, and encourage upstream to maintain them. And then if someone
wants the latest and greatest, they can install it. Adding relevant
snaps to our seeds )instead of the Debian package) would be a good
test/goal for 18.10.

On 11/04/18 19:50, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> Speaking with Jeremy Bicha (and Ross, apparently you had a previous 
> conversation), GIMP 2.10 is supposed to be out shortly. However, since 
> libmypaint was split and the new version is dependent on a newer version, 
> having GIMP and MyPaint installed together breaks MyPaint until its 1.3 
> release.
>
> So, the question is whether or not we keep 2.8, change GIMP to a snap, or 
> remove MyPaint from the install.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Erich
>
>



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[ubuntu-studio-devel] GIMP vs MyPaint - Dependency conflicts

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hi again,

Speaking with Jeremy Bicha (and Ross, apparently you had a previous 
conversation), GIMP 2.10 is supposed to be out shortly. However, since 
libmypaint was split and the new version is dependent on a newer version, 
having GIMP and MyPaint installed together breaks MyPaint until its 1.3 release.

So, the question is whether or not we keep 2.8, change GIMP to a snap, or 
remove MyPaint from the install.

Thoughts?

Erich


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