Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5

2016-06-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
PPS:

Regarding the fractal effect for the "front page". Indeed, it's
possible to even use just logs, quasi a more or less neutral envelope. I
prefer sexy lingerie over a neutral envelope or something more
neutral, than even logs.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5

2016-06-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 10:14:23 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>On 2016-06-14 10:10, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>> In fact it made me realize that i didn't ask for anything to
>> illustrate the first section of the feature tour, that outlines what
>> U-S is more broadly. That would be the place for the logo as placed
>> in Geirdal's proposals. It would also be a great place for a
>> background that is purely Mandelbrot-based.  
>
>Maybe this section is the place to complete the circle, as suggested by
>Ralf?

There's no need to complete the colour circle, but when doing it, the
CoF should remain blue, just the rest of the background should be
green. Another "circle" would be an opening in blue, followed by
category colours and finale category music in blue. To cut the CoF is
ok, but since Set fears the impression of deformation, an idea might be
to display the complete CoF by the opening graphic and to cut the
category icons for the following graphics.

We should remember that the speech of graphic not only is related to
advertising strategy. There is a culture of this language. Many people
don't speak this language, but subliminally they understand much of
this language. Some patterns are universally valid for music and
graphic, such as an opening and finale. We not necessarily use it this
way for art, but for explanations, advertisings etc., it makes sense to
include some layman's terms of art language.

A lot of art is like vogon poetry. Not musterfully breaking with rules
and/or layman's terms, it's just not understandable, because it's
senseless arranged language. This is still ok, if a graphic for thewall
fits to the colour of the sofa, but becomes an issue, when used as an
element of communication.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5

2016-06-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 10:10:52 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>On 2016-06-13 20:44, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> PS: Assumed the CoF is else were on the website, then replacing it by
>> the category icons makes sense  
>
>In fact it made me realize that i didn't ask for anything to illustrate
>the first section of the feature tour, that outlines what U-S is more
>broadly. That would be the place for the logo as placed in Geirdal's
>proposals. It would also be a great place for a background that is
>purely Mandelbrot-based.

I not necessarily agree with the fractal effect idea, but this is a
matter of taste. Regarding the idea with the CoF I agree.

However, consider that a fractal effect easily could become like a
tutorial video were the talked explanations become a melody by using
http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/linuxaudio/zita-at1-doc/quickguide.html

The fractal effect represents some kind of incense stick Goa techno
culture. Were is the skater street style, the Bauhaus
Mondrian Ikea middle-class style, the youngster Manga cosplay style,
the ...

For art I don't dislike the fractal effect per se, but I dislike the
idea of a biased representation of a tool for all arts.

If the fractal effect doesn't repeat a picture of pencil 10,000 times,
but instead the fractal would show category related art of incense stick
Goa techno culture + skater street style + Bauhaus Mondrian Ikea
middle-class style + youngster Manga cosplay style + foo and bar
fashion, this might be better. 10,000 different pictures inside a
fractal, yes, perhaps. 10,000 times repeating 1 picture, no.

>>> The background pictures of the three graphics have nothing to do
>>> with video, graphics and audio.  
>
>That is the point i tried to make of merging the abstract Mandelbrot
>patterns with something more figurative like the icons. But it could be
>3d model?
>
>Some suggestions:
>Video
>http://www.blendswap.com/blends/tagged/camera
>http://www.blendswap.com/blends/tagged/lens
>(preferably one that has no brand)
>Graphics:
>http://www.blendswap.com/blends/tagged/pencil
>Audio:
>http://www.blendswap.com/blends/tagged/speakers
>http://www.blendswap.com/blends/tagged/music

Those suggestions are very good. Perhaps the artist could provide
something with a fractal effect. If I would be the artist, I would do
something based on those suggestions without fractal effect.

>Although, we have to be careful not to clutter it too much to preserve
>the readability.

This seems to work without issues, due to the colouration.

>AI'm not sure it is a good idea to start moving the colors
>around.

I agree, you should stay with the colouration.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5

2016-06-14 Thread Set Hallstrom 
On 2016-06-14 10:10, Set Hallstrom wrote:
> In fact it made me realize that i didn't ask for anything to illustrate
> the first section of the feature tour, that outlines what U-S is more
> broadly. That would be the place for the logo as placed in Geirdal's
> proposals. It would also be a great place for a background that is
> purely Mandelbrot-based.

Maybe this section is the place to complete the circle, as suggested by
Ralf?

On 2016-06-13 20:31, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> but to complete something like a color circle,
> I would chose green, and perhaps show something natural in combination
> with video.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5

2016-06-14 Thread Set Hallstrom 
Hi Ralf!

Thanks for getting involved Ralf!

> On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 20:31:51 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 19:25:20 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
Why not
>>> try?
>>> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-menu/trunk/files/head:/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/categories/
>>>   
>>
>> No, don't even try this! Keep in mind, how you inspire the desire to
>> drink a coke from your company. Not by replacing the logo of the
>> Set Coke, with the traffic sign of a motorway restaurant and a
>> background picture showing chumps.
>> You will show the picture of a glass of coke, palms, shiny happy people
>> and place the Set Coke logo in the right bottom corner.

:) i agree (although, this is not about "my" brand, but we all know
that...right? :D) The thing is that we _will_ have the logo all over the
place like you suggested in your Post Scriptum.

On 2016-06-13 20:44, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> PS: Assumed the CoF is else were on the website, then replacing it by
> the category icons makes sense

In fact it made me realize that i didn't ask for anything to illustrate
the first section of the feature tour, that outlines what U-S is more
broadly. That would be the place for the logo as placed in Geirdal's
proposals. It would also be a great place for a background that is
purely Mandelbrot-based.

>>
>> The background pictures of the three graphics have nothing to do with
>> video, graphics and audio.

That is the point i tried to make of merging the abstract Mandelbrot
patterns with something more figurative like the icons. But it could be
3d model?

Some suggestions:
Video
http://www.blendswap.com/blends/tagged/camera
http://www.blendswap.com/blends/tagged/lens
(preferably one that has no brand)
Graphics:
http://www.blendswap.com/blends/tagged/pencil
Audio:
http://www.blendswap.com/blends/tagged/speakers
http://www.blendswap.com/blends/tagged/music

Although, we have to be careful not to clutter it too much to preserve
the readability.

>>
>> Regarding colouration. Sound transfairs by air, air = blue, ok.
>> Graphic is seen by light, sunlight = orange, ok.
>> Violett for video is ok, but to complete something like a color circle,
>> I would chose green, and perhaps show something natural in combination
>> with video.
>>
>> It would also be possible to make video orange and graphics green, just
>> blue for audio shouldn't be replaced, since the distros logo is blue
>> and IMO the important domain of Ubuntu Studio is audio.

Although i might not personally be 100% convinced about our color scheme
I'm not sure it is a good idea to start moving the colors around. Color
is a difficult thing to agree over, and setting up a voting system will
take a lot of time for something that is already established and
functioning. As far I understood, blue orange and purple where decided
before i joined. They have been the colors for the categories in
question since at least 14.04. I think changing them now is doing what
you warned us about above with your kokakola allegory: diluting focus.
It would also theoretically render false lots of things that we have
been done until now, not to mention the difficult task to synchronize
the community with the new color-values.

What we could discuss at this point is the exact tonality of the orange
and the purple (the blue being exactly defined since way back as Ralf
says). But because these images are not plain colors, i think Geirdal
should carry on with the current toning.

Discussion about exact hexadecimal tonality values should, if desired,
be focused on other graphic elements that we include in the desktop
(icons, woodmarks, highlight etc...) Changing "corporate" branding is
something that has to be well prepared and communicated, and therefor i
think they should go into a separate thread.

I'm sorry to come off as such a naysayer, Ralf. I think you make good
points and i'm glad you chose to take part of this. I like your ideas as
you suggested for the mockup of 16.04
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-artwork/trunk/view/head:/16.04/unified-design-1604/mockups/
I'd very much like to take a deeper look together with everyone into
this color thing for next LTS :)

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5

2016-06-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 20:31:51 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 19:25:20 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>>Like Ralf says, it has little to do with the workflow, but you could
>>fix that by replacing the CoF by the Category icons maybe? Why not
>>try?
>>http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-menu/trunk/files/head:/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/categories/
>>  
>
>No, don't even try this! Keep in mind, how you inspire the desire to
>drink a coke from your company. Not by replacing the logo of the
>Set Coke, with the traffic sign of a motorway restaurant and a
>background picture showing chumps.
>You will show the picture of a glass of coke, palms, shiny happy people
>and place the Set Coke logo in the right bottom corner.
>
>The background pictures of the three graphics have nothing to do with
>video, graphics and audio.
>
>Regarding colouration. Sound transfairs by air, air = blue, ok.
>Graphic is seen by light, sunlight = orange, ok.
>Violett for video is ok, but to complete something like a color circle,
>I would chose green, and perhaps show something natural in combination
>with video.
>
>It would also be possible to make video orange and graphics green, just
>blue for audio shouldn't be replaced, since the distros logo is blue
>and IMO the important domain of Ubuntu Studio is audio.
>
>However, the font is good readable on all of the three backgrounds.
>
>Regards,
>Ralf

PS: Assumed the CoF is else were on the website, then replacing it by
the category icons makes sense, but this doesn't release from showing a
picture that is related to the category.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5

2016-06-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 19:25:20 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>Like Ralf says, it has little to do with the workflow, but you could
>fix that by replacing the CoF by the Category icons maybe? Why not try?
>http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-menu/trunk/files/head:/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/categories/

No, don't even try this! Keep in mind, how you inspire the desire to
drink a coke from your company. Not by replacing the logo of the
Set Coke, with the traffic sign of a motorway restaurant and a
background picture showing chumps.
You will show the picture of a glass of coke, palms, shiny happy people
and place the Set Coke logo in the right bottom corner.

The background pictures of the three graphics have nothing to do with
video, graphics and audio.

Regarding colouration. Sound transfairs by air, air = blue, ok.
Graphic is seen by light, sunlight = orange, ok.
Violett for video is ok, but to complete something like a color circle,
I would chose green, and perhaps show something natural in combination
with video.

It would also be possible to make video orange and graphics green, just
blue for audio shouldn't be replaced, since the distros logo is blue
and IMO the important domain of Ubuntu Studio is audio.

However, the font is good readable on all of the three backgrounds.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5

2016-06-13 Thread autumna 

belated reply. :)
pretty much what everybody said so far. 2 very minor opinions.

If and only if you still have the larger files, actually having a larger 
resolution might be a good idea. one layout we were working with uses 
the full width. if you don't have them, it is no big deal. we'll make it 
work.


I assume the text will be separate in final version? It is better for 
SEO and for people who disable the download of big images. Our wordpress 
plugins and templates will allow us to place the text as on top of the 
image. :)


Best

autumna

On 06/13/2016 08:25 PM, Set Hallstrom wrote:

On 2016-06-13 18:09, Jóhann Örn Geirdal wrote:

Hi here is my first try on this http://geirdal.is/index.php/studio-0

\o/ yeah! you deliver! Looks real cool! It's the first shot, and i'm
sure we can get it even cooler with a few rounds of execution/feedback
pingpong!!

The font will be "ubuntu regular" http://font.ubuntu.com/ but i'm
guessing you just put text to show that it works for the purpose? :)

The thing i'm not super fond of, is the deformation of the logo. Maybe
it's an optical illusion as a result of how you cut it? But it looks
kind of oval. I also notice that you are using an old version of the CoF
(Circle of Friends = ubunutu studio logo) that has a bump in the midle
circle's edge.
The correct one is here:
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-artwork/current-standard/files

Like Ralf says, it has little to do with the workflow, but you could fix
that by replacing the CoF by the Category icons maybe? Why not try?
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-menu/trunk/files/head:/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/categories/
But feel free to draw your own :)

You can download the svg-files from the launchpad-links above, but the
coolest, fastest, bestest is to use bazaar, are you familiar with it?
(bzr) Krytarik and zequence are my bzr sensei's. I could maybe help you
get familiar with it on IRC, but if you manage to get them to teach you,
chances are you will become better than me in no time! :)

Until then, you can read more about bzr here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SetupDeveloperEnvironment

Cheers king!




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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5

2016-06-13 Thread Set Hallstrom 
On 2016-06-13 18:09, Jóhann Örn Geirdal wrote:
> Hi here is my first try on this http://geirdal.is/index.php/studio-0

\o/ yeah! you deliver! Looks real cool! It's the first shot, and i'm
sure we can get it even cooler with a few rounds of execution/feedback
pingpong!!

The font will be "ubuntu regular" http://font.ubuntu.com/ but i'm
guessing you just put text to show that it works for the purpose? :)

The thing i'm not super fond of, is the deformation of the logo. Maybe
it's an optical illusion as a result of how you cut it? But it looks
kind of oval. I also notice that you are using an old version of the CoF
(Circle of Friends = ubunutu studio logo) that has a bump in the midle
circle's edge.
The correct one is here:
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-artwork/current-standard/files

Like Ralf says, it has little to do with the workflow, but you could fix
that by replacing the CoF by the Category icons maybe? Why not try?
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-menu/trunk/files/head:/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/categories/
But feel free to draw your own :)

You can download the svg-files from the launchpad-links above, but the
coolest, fastest, bestest is to use bazaar, are you familiar with it?
(bzr) Krytarik and zequence are my bzr sensei's. I could maybe help you
get familiar with it on IRC, but if you manage to get them to teach you,
chances are you will become better than me in no time! :)

Until then, you can read more about bzr here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SetupDeveloperEnvironment

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5

2016-06-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:56:49 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 16:09:17 +, Jóhann Örn Geirdal wrote:
>>Hi here is my first try on this http://geirdal.is/index.php/studio-0  
>
>Pro:
>
>Excellent legibility, IOW good contrast between font and picture.
>Classic arrangement regarding the transparent logo and it's position.
>
>Con:
>
>The background image should be clearly related to video. This
>background isn't. What have those logs to do with video?
>
>Super-Con, but unrelated to the graphic:
>
>Mails with the subject "[ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel
>Digest, Vol" are moved to trash by my MUA, since they are considered as
>being junk. In addition one line top posting and quoting the complete
>digest shouldn't be done.
>
>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>> than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-studio-devel digest..."  
>
>Consider to read what you're quoting.
>
>Consider also to follow the advice:
>
>"Please read [snip] how to best make use of this list:
>
>http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/support/mailinglists/ " -
>https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
>
>Regards,
>Ralf

PS:

If you change your mailing list account settings from plain text digest
to MIME digest, then you could reply to individual mails inside the
digest, this does keep subject and thread of the original mails.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5

2016-06-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 16:09:17 +, Jóhann Örn Geirdal wrote:
>Hi here is my first try on this http://geirdal.is/index.php/studio-0

Pro:

Excellent legibility, IOW good contrast between font and picture.
Classic arrangement regarding the transparent logo and it's position.

Con:

The background image should be clearly related to video. This
background isn't. What have those logs to do with video?

Super-Con, but unrelated to the graphic:

Mails with the subject "[ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel
Digest, Vol" are moved to trash by my MUA, since they are considered as
being junk. In addition one line top posting and quoting the complete
digest shouldn't be done.

>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-studio-devel digest..."

Consider to read what you're quoting.

Consider also to follow the advice:

"Please read [snip] how to best make use of this list:

http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/support/mailinglists/ " -
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5

2016-06-13 Thread Jóhann Örn Geirdal 
Hi here is my first try on this http://geirdal.is/index.php/studio-0

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> > Hi list,
> >
> > We need to set-up the feature-tour for the website.
> >
> > If you want to contribute to this, please take a moment to read the
> > section "Site map and Content Draft" on this link:
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FeatureDefinitions/WebsiteXenial
> > What we need now is to execute this draft.
> >
> > For the major part of the site all we need is text, since the theme
> > knome made for us is perfect for that.
> > http://www.ubuntustudio.zequence.net/
> >
> > The front page however will also act as a feature tour, and to make it
> > as appealing as we can we need graphic material: The feature tour should
> > highlight our 3 workflows: Audio, Video, Graphics.
> >
> > Here is a _draft_ of what i'm thinking of:
> > http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/tour/
> > Each workflow should have its section on the page and make use of its
> > respective color:
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialXenial
> > It should have a background image. By "background image" i mean
> > something that illustrates the workflow, while it lets the text-content
> > be easily readable. We will also need a few screenshots from the apps.
> > It would be nice find a style for the screenshots and the typography
> > that matches the Ubuntu Corporate identity while being a little bit
> > less... well corporate, or more "creative humans". There has been
> > discussion about creating a video-feature, or "commercial" for the
> > feature tour and to share on different networks.
> >
> > Currently Autumna is writing the text for the support page, and I
> > understand Geirdal is willing to do the background images. I'm writing
> > the feature-tour text.
> >
> > What we need is this:
> > - A format for the social-network links that will be displayed on every
> > page. (icons-set? banner?)
> > - A format for the Discover page (I'm hoping autumna can jump in here to
> > explain how that works)
> > - Overhaul of the "contribute" page.
> > - Scenario for the Feature-Video and voice-over manuscript.
> >
> > Please, feel invited to pick one or several of these tasks.
> > This topic being kind of broad and intricate, let's try to keep the
> >