Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] xfce4-screensaver
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019, Janne Jokitalo wrote: On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 04:17:57PM +0100, Ross Gammon wrote: There was some discussion about the use of screensavers in general and it was decided that in the days of flatscreens the original purpose has disappeared, and the fact that in audio and video we might want to watch some rendering/mastering chuntering along for quite a while, that screensavers did not make much sense. I think the power management settings would need to be fiddled with to get the screensaver to work instead of blanking. From my perspective, the point isn't so much in saving the screen, but rather the possibility to lock the session with it. I understand that not everybody have their machines in locations where other people frequently share the space, but I think it's quite a strong usecase to consider, nonetheless. I do realize that every additional piece of software running causes some unneeded overhead, so I'm of course willing to see it opt-in by default. I think any discussion was of the light hearted kind. I do like just having things blank, I do not ever put my machine to sleep but If I did so it would be by user action not time. I also don't expect or ever want some action to happen just because another drive or disk apears. However, all of those things are configurable. Certainly if litelocker is suffering bit rot and/or Xubuntu is moving away from it and there is actually an xfce-variant, we should use it. The DE should be as close to what Xubuntu ships as possible without interfering with audio/video stabillity. The UbuntuStudio iso should install the same way as Xubuntu with a Studio install on top. The only gripe I have with xfce is that /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu is "won't fix" (along with gnome and lxde) KDE has it right. The user should be able to change the whole menu layout without admin priv. just for that user. Anyway, rant over ;) it is what it is. (And besides menus are on their way out cause people only use two applications on a computer, the browser and I forget the other one) -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] xfce4-screensaver
On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 04:17:57PM +0100, Ross Gammon wrote: > There was some discussion about the use of screensavers in general and > it was decided that in the days of flatscreens the original purpose has > disappeared, and the fact that in audio and video we might want to watch > some rendering/mastering chuntering along for quite a while, that > screensavers did not make much sense. I think the power management > settings would need to be fiddled with to get the screensaver to work > instead of blanking. From my perspective, the point isn't so much in saving the screen, but rather the possibility to lock the session with it. I understand that not everybody have their machines in locations where other people frequently share the space, but I think it's quite a strong usecase to consider, nonetheless. I do realize that every additional piece of software running causes some unneeded overhead, so I'm of course willing to see it opt-in by default. -- Janne (astraljava) Jokitalo signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] xfce4-screensaver
On Sat, Mar 09, 2019 at 03:43:09PM -0800, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > Hi all, > > Sean Davis (bluesabre) did an amazing job and ported mate-screensaver to > xfce4-screensaver. The motivation, as I understand it, is because > light-locker is largely unmaintained and causes a race condition when > resuming from sleep due to the vt change (or something like that, we don't > need to get too technical on this). > > With that, light-locker and xscreensaver are being largely depricated by the > Xubuntu team (who can correct me if I'm wrong... well, anybody can correct > me) in favor of xfce4-screensaver. I think this change, if it needs to > happen in our seeds, needs to happen. It definitely needs to happen. More and more laptops especially are being shipped with nVidia graphics cards (okay, I don't have real data on this, but the last three I've randomly purchased have this) and they seem to struggle really bad with light-locker. > If you want to test it first, that's good practice. That said, I can say > from personal experience that I have experienced the light-locker race > condition myself, and it's definitely not a good bug to have. You're right, it's really bad to have the GUI restarted after resume from sleep. Kind of defeats the purpose. > With that, I want to say that this change in the seed, if necessary, isn't > as high of a priority, but it would bring some good bug fixes to our default > Xfce desktop. I concur whole-heartedly. I will see if I have time to test it, but seeing that every time I install a new environment, the first thing I do is swap light-locker for xscreensaver. Can't be much worse than that. -- Janne (astraljava) Jokitalo signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] xfce4-screensaver
Hi Ross, On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 8:17 AM, Ross Gammon wrote: Hi Erich, On 3/10/19 12:43 AM, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: Hi all, Sean Davis (bluesabre) did an amazing job and ported mate-screensaver to xfce4-screensaver. The motivation, as I understand it, is because light-locker is largely unmaintained and causes a race condition when resuming from sleep due to the vt change (or something like that, we don't need to get too technical on this). With that, light-locker and xscreensaver are being largely depricated by the Xubuntu team (who can correct me if I'm wrong... well, anybody can correct me) in favor of xfce4-screensaver. I think this change, if it needs to happen in our seeds, needs to happen. If you want to test it first, that's good practice. That said, I can say from personal experience that I have experienced the light-locker race condition myself, and it's definitely not a good bug to have. Anyhow, we don't need to make this change immediately. Our priority right now is the Developer Membership Board meeting happening on Monday at 1500 UTC (I may have posted that this was at 1200 UTC, that was a mistake) for mine and Ross's applications for Per-Package Uploader permissions. My application, I expect, will be rejected due to lack of experience, so I'm in it mostly for the feedback. However, we're hoping for success with Ross's application, which is getting a lot of support at present. With that, I want to say that this change in the seed, if necessary, isn't as high of a priority, but it would bring some good bug fixes to our default Xfce desktop. The last time we discussed screensavers was quite a while ago when Kai was still in charge and we decided to remove our Ubuntu Studio screensaver package becasue it was broken and we didn't have it in the seeds anyway. There was some discussion about the use of screensavers in general and it was decided that in the days of flatscreens the original purpose has disappeared, and the fact that in audio and video we might want to watch some rendering/mastering chuntering along for quite a while, that screensavers did not make much sense. I think the power management settings would need to be fiddled with to get the screensaver to work instead of blanking. But I suppose we could test it as a replacement for light-locker and see how it goes with audio/video work. I have not had a computer with a screen saver for so many years (at work or at home), I have forgotten what it is like :-) Ross I completely agree that with LCD screens the reason for screensavers (burn-in) has largely been removed. That said, this is more about screen locking than for the screensavers themselves. Unfortunately, with light-locker unmaintained and causing resume-from-sleep issues (that I have experienced, and apparently I'm not the only one), this is something that needs to happen. I'm working with the Xubuntu team on this one, since our setup largely needs to reflect theirs in terms of defaults since we're using their DE. Thanks, Erich -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] xfce4-screensaver
Hi Erich, On 3/10/19 12:43 AM, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > Hi all, > > Sean Davis (bluesabre) did an amazing job and ported mate-screensaver to > xfce4-screensaver. The motivation, as I understand it, is because > light-locker is largely unmaintained and causes a race condition when > resuming from sleep due to the vt change (or something like that, we > don't need to get too technical on this). > > With that, light-locker and xscreensaver are being largely depricated by > the Xubuntu team (who can correct me if I'm wrong... well, anybody can > correct me) in favor of xfce4-screensaver. I think this change, if it > needs to happen in our seeds, needs to happen. > > If you want to test it first, that's good practice. That said, I can say > from personal experience that I have experienced the light-locker race > condition myself, and it's definitely not a good bug to have. > > Anyhow, we don't need to make this change immediately. Our priority > right now is the Developer Membership Board meeting happening on Monday > at 1500 UTC (I may have posted that this was at 1200 UTC, that was a > mistake) for mine and Ross's applications for Per-Package Uploader > permissions. My application, I expect, will be rejected due to lack of > experience, so I'm in it mostly for the feedback. However, we're hoping > for success with Ross's application, which is getting a lot of support > at present. > > With that, I want to say that this change in the seed, if necessary, > isn't as high of a priority, but it would bring some good bug fixes to > our default Xfce desktop. The last time we discussed screensavers was quite a while ago when Kai was still in charge and we decided to remove our Ubuntu Studio screensaver package becasue it was broken and we didn't have it in the seeds anyway. There was some discussion about the use of screensavers in general and it was decided that in the days of flatscreens the original purpose has disappeared, and the fact that in audio and video we might want to watch some rendering/mastering chuntering along for quite a while, that screensavers did not make much sense. I think the power management settings would need to be fiddled with to get the screensaver to work instead of blanking. But I suppose we could test it as a replacement for light-locker and see how it goes with audio/video work. I have not had a computer with a screen saver for so many years (at work or at home), I have forgotten what it is like :-) Ross -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[ubuntu-studio-devel] xfce4-screensaver
Hi all, Sean Davis (bluesabre) did an amazing job and ported mate-screensaver to xfce4-screensaver. The motivation, as I understand it, is because light-locker is largely unmaintained and causes a race condition when resuming from sleep due to the vt change (or something like that, we don't need to get too technical on this). With that, light-locker and xscreensaver are being largely depricated by the Xubuntu team (who can correct me if I'm wrong... well, anybody can correct me) in favor of xfce4-screensaver. I think this change, if it needs to happen in our seeds, needs to happen. If you want to test it first, that's good practice. That said, I can say from personal experience that I have experienced the light-locker race condition myself, and it's definitely not a good bug to have. Anyhow, we don't need to make this change immediately. Our priority right now is the Developer Membership Board meeting happening on Monday at 1500 UTC (I may have posted that this was at 1200 UTC, that was a mistake) for mine and Ross's applications for Per-Package Uploader permissions. My application, I expect, will be rejected due to lack of experience, so I'm in it mostly for the feedback. However, we're hoping for success with Ross's application, which is getting a lot of support at present. With that, I want to say that this change in the seed, if necessary, isn't as high of a priority, but it would bring some good bug fixes to our default Xfce desktop. Thanks, Erich Erich Eickmeyer Council Chair Ubuntu Studio ubuntustudio.org -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
