Re: ubuntustudio-icon-theme
On Thu, July 4, 2013 9:35 am, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > I haven't yet seen the icons in action, so it's hard for me to have an > opinion, but is black and white the right choice? I don't know about that part. What stood out to me is the clarity with which they communicate. I think the monochromatic feel has something to do with that. Question for Zak (and anyone else). This is to be the theme we ship on our ISO. There are also icons in the menu package as a fallback for users who happen to change the icon theme away from default to make sure our menu doesn't end up menuless :) and also for users who use the menu with another flavour and DE. Should I copy the new ones into that package as well? (I would be a +1 BTW) > Which PPA would have a version with these icons so we can test them? I can branch and create one (a snapshot version) if Mish doesn't want to. I have the tools installed anyway. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio-icon-theme
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013, at 06:14 AM, Shubham Mishra wrote: > On 07/04/2013 04:14 AM, Len Ovens wrote: > > > > On Sat, June 29, 2013 9:25 pm, Shubham Mishra wrote: > > > >> That's good then. The link to mine is this in case you're wondering. > >> (https://code.launchpad.net/~mishrashubham2007/+junk/UbuntuStudio) > > > > Wow! now we know why Len normally doesn't do icons... Those are great. Let > > me know when you are ready to release. I will branch and put a snapshot up > > on my PPA (or you can do so on your own) and install it on a machine so I > > can get a screen shot for our art lead to look at. > > > > > > > So you know, I have already sent a link to that to madeinkobaia on IRC > so you can coordinate with him. From my side they are already ready. > Might have to make a separate 16x16 version of the synth icon to make it > more recognizable but other than that it's good to go IMHO. > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel Yes, as said, Zak (madeinkobaia) has been included in discussions, and let's make that a habit from now on, whenever we are doing any artwork related changes or additions within the Ubuntu Studio project. I haven't yet seen the icons in action, so it's hard for me to have an opinion, but is black and white the right choice? Which PPA would have a version with these icons so we can test them? -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio-icon-theme
On 07/04/2013 04:14 AM, Len Ovens wrote: On Sat, June 29, 2013 9:25 pm, Shubham Mishra wrote: That's good then. The link to mine is this in case you're wondering. (https://code.launchpad.net/~mishrashubham2007/+junk/UbuntuStudio) Wow! now we know why Len normally doesn't do icons... Those are great. Let me know when you are ready to release. I will branch and put a snapshot up on my PPA (or you can do so on your own) and install it on a machine so I can get a screen shot for our art lead to look at. So you know, I have already sent a link to that to madeinkobaia on IRC so you can coordinate with him. From my side they are already ready. Might have to make a separate 16x16 version of the synth icon to make it more recognizable but other than that it's good to go IMHO. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio-icon-theme
On Sat, June 29, 2013 9:25 pm, Shubham Mishra wrote: > That's good then. The link to mine is this in case you're wondering. > (https://code.launchpad.net/~mishrashubham2007/+junk/UbuntuStudio) Wow! now we know why Len normally doesn't do icons... Those are great. Let me know when you are ready to release. I will branch and put a snapshot up on my PPA (or you can do so on your own) and install it on a machine so I can get a screen shot for our art lead to look at. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio-icon-theme
On 06/30/2013 05:50 AM, Len Ovens wrote: On Sat, June 29, 2013 5:50 am, Shubham Mishra wrote: installed bazaar and made a branch like you told me to. So far I seem to have understood most of it. I guess I'll learn more when I eventually make a mistake, so brace yourselves :D. Thats the nice thing about a branch and lots of commits, I can look at it before I do a merge, or even branch off of your branch build a package to try. In any case it is pretty hard to truly hurt something. No worries. That's good then. The link to mine is this in case you're wondering. (https://code.launchpad.net/~mishrashubham2007/+junk/UbuntuStudio) I have one more question. The directory contains only 48x48 PNGs of the icons. Does that mean the other resolutions are created during build time from these ones? No, 48x48 is the bare minimum, the panel or file manager creates whatever size it needs on the fly if it can't find the right size pre-made. I was unable to get the 22x22 size to look any better than the panel menu was... sometimes worse. So we should have 22x as well. The 22x can even be different if it makes it easier to recognize. For most icons downsampling the 48x48 to 22x22 should give decent recognizable icons. It's 16x16 that causes problems and usually need to be made separately, pixel by pixel. So I'll see which icons look ok in 22x22 and modify the ones which don't. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio-icon-theme
On Sat, June 29, 2013 5:50 am, Shubham Mishra wrote: > Thanks for answering the questions. You answered them pretty well. I Thanks > installed bazaar and made a branch like you told me to. So far I seem to > have understood most of it. I guess I'll learn more when I eventually > make a mistake, so brace yourselves :D. Thats the nice thing about a branch and lots of commits, I can look at it before I do a merge, or even branch off of your branch build a package to try. In any case it is pretty hard to truly hurt something. No worries. > I have one more question. The directory contains only 48x48 PNGs of the > icons. Does that mean the other resolutions are created during build > time from these ones? No, 48x48 is the bare minimum, the panel or file manager creates whatever size it needs on the fly if it can't find the right size pre-made. I was unable to get the 22x22 size to look any better than the panel menu was... sometimes worse. So we should have 22x as well. The 22x can even be different if it makes it easier to recognize. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: ubuntustudio-icon-theme
On 06/29/2013 02:57 AM, Len Ovens wrote: Sorry, I guess I was using ideas that expected you to already know what I was saying... I am not a good teacher. I will try hard to explain below in answer to points. (scroll down for more info) On Fri, June 28, 2013 5:36 am, Shubham Mishra wrote: On 06/22/2013 11:31 AM, Len Ovens wrote: Hello Mish, I am not sure how you would like to work on the icon theme. It might be easiest to keep your own branch updated and we can merge it with main any time you feel a releasable step has been made. We can also release snapshots in your own ppa or the US ppa so that you or the rest of us can test it before release. I have found the easiest way to test things like this is to just install the file on my own machine and see how it works. Let me know if you need any help at all. Hi Len Sorry for the late reply. I've been sick the entire last week so I could only check my mail now. I am not sure I get what you're trying to say. When you say 'snapshot', do you mean a package which after installing would replace the old icons with the ones in the package? No need to worry about snapshot. What it means is like an in-between quick test release. Also when you say icon-theme, do you mean the icons for the menu or a general icon theme for everything? Either/and/or I want you to feel free to do as much or little as you feel like/have time for. I have forked the menu icons we use so that even if the ubuntustudio icon theme is not used our menu items will still have some sort of icon. So if you change those icons in the ubuntustudio icon theme they will override the ones I have made, but if the user decides to use some other icon theme, our menus will still work... sort of a backup. Obviously having our menu icons look unified with each other as well as the desktop theme (and nicer than mine) are priorities. Our icon theme bypasses xubuntu's.. I am not sure that is a great idea as we are using the same desktop theme and so their icon theme might match the desktop rather well and be a good starting point. If you have ubuntustudio loaded you should be able to install the xubuntu-icon-theme package and select it to see what it looks like. If you don't like it, you are welcome to come up with your own too. Also is there a page on the wiki or somewhere where we can look at what we already have and what needs to be worked on or improved upon? Because I'm somewhat confused as to what I need to work on now. Sorry for all the questions Good questions :) We are using only two of your icons right now for video and mixers. They both have a similar style Mine have a similar style too... similar to my 7 year old's drawings :P Basically anything that can look more polished than what I have done. The Audio production and submenus, publishing (that one just looks like a document right now), Photography, Graphic design. Those are the main ones I would like to see redone. In the style of what you have done so far. You can of coarse do some of the other menu icons as well, media playback for example or even play with the ubuntustudio icon... so long as the logo still looks like our logo :) If you have a launchpad account, you should be able to install bzr and do a: bzr branch lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/UbuntuStudio in a directory set aside for this like ~/software/icons for example. This will put a copy of the the ubunto studio icon theme in that directory. Make a change, update the debian/changelog file and then do a: bzr commit -m "added silly icon to bug Len" (well I hope your comment makes more sense, I normally use the same text I added to the changelog) When you have done some changes and would like us to look at them or add them to the main package. You should be able to go to your lauchpad home page and make sure you have your ssh keys set up right for that machine. Then you can go to your "Code" page. (see the word Code at the top of the page right under your name. Not too far down you will see a bzr push command for your page. So you want to be in your terminal in the directory where you can see the debian and usr directories, (~/software/icons/ubuntustudio/ in the example I showed above) and do that bzr push command but with a "branch name" of ubuntustudio-icon-theme. This will upload your work to your code page. You can then post the url of your code page in the mailing list of the irc channel and one of us can look at it and merge it into the the main branch. Probably still not really clear :) but there are some help icons along the way on your home pages in launchpad too. Ignore any of this stuff you already know... ask about anything not clear. This is a long term project so there is no rush or pressure. Thanks for answering the questions. You answered them pretty well. I installed bazaar and made a branch like you told me to. So far I seem to have un
Re: ubuntustudio-icon-theme
Sorry, I guess I was using ideas that expected you to already know what I was saying... I am not a good teacher. I will try hard to explain below in answer to points. (scroll down for more info) On Fri, June 28, 2013 5:36 am, Shubham Mishra wrote: > On 06/22/2013 11:31 AM, Len Ovens wrote: >> Hello Mish, >>I am not sure how you would like to work on the icon theme. It might >> be >> easiest to keep your own branch updated and we can merge it with main >> any time you feel a releasable step has been made. We can also release >> snapshots in your own ppa or the US ppa so that you or the rest of us >> can test it before release. >> >> I have found the easiest way to test things like this is to just install >> the file on my own machine and see how it works. >> >> Let me know if you need any help at all. >> >> > Hi Len > > Sorry for the late reply. I've been sick the entire last week so I > could only check my mail now. I am not sure I get what you're trying to > say. When you say 'snapshot', do you mean a package which after > installing would replace the old icons with the ones in the package? No need to worry about snapshot. What it means is like an in-between quick test release. > Also when you say icon-theme, do you mean the icons for the menu or a > general icon theme for everything? Either/and/or I want you to feel free to do as much or little as you feel like/have time for. I have forked the menu icons we use so that even if the ubuntustudio icon theme is not used our menu items will still have some sort of icon. So if you change those icons in the ubuntustudio icon theme they will override the ones I have made, but if the user decides to use some other icon theme, our menus will still work... sort of a backup. Obviously having our menu icons look unified with each other as well as the desktop theme (and nicer than mine) are priorities. Our icon theme bypasses xubuntu's.. I am not sure that is a great idea as we are using the same desktop theme and so their icon theme might match the desktop rather well and be a good starting point. If you have ubuntustudio loaded you should be able to install the xubuntu-icon-theme package and select it to see what it looks like. If you don't like it, you are welcome to come up with your own too. > Also is there a page on the wiki or somewhere where we can look at what > we already have and what needs to be worked on or improved upon? Because > I'm somewhat confused as to what I need to work on now. > > Sorry for all the questions Good questions :) We are using only two of your icons right now for video and mixers. They both have a similar style Mine have a similar style too... similar to my 7 year old's drawings :P Basically anything that can look more polished than what I have done. The Audio production and submenus, publishing (that one just looks like a document right now), Photography, Graphic design. Those are the main ones I would like to see redone. In the style of what you have done so far. You can of coarse do some of the other menu icons as well, media playback for example or even play with the ubuntustudio icon... so long as the logo still looks like our logo :) If you have a launchpad account, you should be able to install bzr and do a: bzr branch lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/UbuntuStudio in a directory set aside for this like ~/software/icons for example. This will put a copy of the the ubunto studio icon theme in that directory. Make a change, update the debian/changelog file and then do a: bzr commit -m "added silly icon to bug Len" (well I hope your comment makes more sense, I normally use the same text I added to the changelog) When you have done some changes and would like us to look at them or add them to the main package. You should be able to go to your lauchpad home page and make sure you have your ssh keys set up right for that machine. Then you can go to your "Code" page. (see the word Code at the top of the page right under your name. Not too far down you will see a bzr push command for your page. So you want to be in your terminal in the directory where you can see the debian and usr directories, (~/software/icons/ubuntustudio/ in the example I showed above) and do that bzr push command but with a "branch name" of ubuntustudio-icon-theme. This will upload your work to your code page. You can then post the url of your code page in the mailing list of the irc channel and one of us can look at it and merge it into the the main branch. Probably still not really clear :) but there are some help icons along the way on your home pages in launchpad too. Ignore any of this stuff you already know... ask about anything not clear. This is a long term project so there is no rush or pressure. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
ubuntustudio-icon-theme
Hello Mish, I am not sure how you would like to work on the icon theme. It might be easiest to keep your own branch updated and we can merge it with main any time you feel a releasable step has been made. We can also release snapshots in your own ppa or the US ppa so that you or the rest of us can test it before release. I have found the easiest way to test things like this is to just install the file on my own machine and see how it works. Let me know if you need any help at all. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: -icon-theme
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Len Ovens wrote: > We have a package called ubuntustudio-icon-theme, but we don't use it. > Instead we use xubuntu-icon-theme. Any of our own icons currently reside > in ubuntustudio-default-settings and end up in /usr/share/pixmaps on the > install. This has been fine as we have had only a few icons to deal > with... but it is not the right way really. As per blueprint item: > [ubuntustudio-dev] All icons for ubuntuStudio submenus should be New > Ubuntu studio icons in case the ones we are using from xfce vanish: TODO > > Some of the icons we use for our *.directory files also come from > applications which may go away leaving broken stuff, so we need our own > icons for any of our own *.directory files. > > We should probably replace xubuntu-icon-theme with > ubuntustudio-icon-theme, even if the studio version depends on the xubuntu > version at least for now. Our own icons should then end up in -icon-theme > rather than -settings. And they should end up in > /usr/share/icons/ubuntustudio/ > > Right now ubuntustudio-icon-theme has no installable files, it just > depends on elementary-icon-theme. I would therefore suggest that the > depends be changed to xubuntu-icon-theme and the desktop meta be changed > to reflect this. This should not change anything on the install, but > should be tested to make sure things still work. > > Next the ubuntustudio directory should be added to /usr/share/icons with a > file that depends on elementaryXubuntu and the default icon theme change > to ubuntustudio... test for breakage. > > Then we can start migrating icons to this package. > > Does anyone see a problem with this? Are there many icons in > elementaryXubuntu? Should we just add those few to our own directory and > bypass depending on xubuntu-icon-theme? > > Comments please. > > Note: there will be some icons being developed. for now they will end up > in the settings package as install to the pixmaps directory. > > > -- > Len Ovens > www.OvenWerks.net > > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > len, if you go back into previous version of the ubuntustudio-icon-theme you will see that we did have icons at one time. i think it was either based on the human or oxygen theme. i don't remember currently. the reason we migrated to the elementary theme is because our icon theme was broken in several areas and we didn't have the developers to fix and maintain it. i moved in this direction because i was attempting to minimize maintenance for the ubuntu studio developers. my mantra during this time was 'simplicity -> sustainability -> success'. i still believe in this. however, if we have the commitment for creating and maintenance, i certainly welcome a new icon theme. scottl -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
-icon-theme
We have a package called ubuntustudio-icon-theme, but we don't use it. Instead we use xubuntu-icon-theme. Any of our own icons currently reside in ubuntustudio-default-settings and end up in /usr/share/pixmaps on the install. This has been fine as we have had only a few icons to deal with... but it is not the right way really. As per blueprint item: [ubuntustudio-dev] All icons for ubuntuStudio submenus should be New Ubuntu studio icons in case the ones we are using from xfce vanish: TODO Some of the icons we use for our *.directory files also come from applications which may go away leaving broken stuff, so we need our own icons for any of our own *.directory files. We should probably replace xubuntu-icon-theme with ubuntustudio-icon-theme, even if the studio version depends on the xubuntu version at least for now. Our own icons should then end up in -icon-theme rather than -settings. And they should end up in /usr/share/icons/ubuntustudio/ Right now ubuntustudio-icon-theme has no installable files, it just depends on elementary-icon-theme. I would therefore suggest that the depends be changed to xubuntu-icon-theme and the desktop meta be changed to reflect this. This should not change anything on the install, but should be tested to make sure things still work. Next the ubuntustudio directory should be added to /usr/share/icons with a file that depends on elementaryXubuntu and the default icon theme change to ubuntustudio... test for breakage. Then we can start migrating icons to this package. Does anyone see a problem with this? Are there many icons in elementaryXubuntu? Should we just add those few to our own directory and bypass depending on xubuntu-icon-theme? Comments please. Note: there will be some icons being developed. for now they will end up in the settings package as install to the pixmaps directory. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Studio's Lucid icon theme
Plan is to derive a new icon theme for Studio based on the Breathe icon set. So my only question is do we keep the old set as well? ubuntustudio-icon-theme-tango or something? -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
