Re: extra background stuff and work flow idea
just to be clear... there will be *no* official kernel-rt.. we will (hopefully, after testing and approval, and much deliberation) have the *-lowlatency one in the repos, and as the default kernel for US. On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2011-11-12 at 08:55 -0500, Mike Holstein wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Ralf Mardorf > > wrote: > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com im Auftrag > > von Len Ovens > > Gesendet: Fr 11/11/2011 19:06 > > An: Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion > > Betreff: extra background stuff and work flow idea > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, November 10, 2011 1:00 pm, Luke Kuhn wrote: > > > > > > While we are on the subject of background processes that are > > resource > > > hogs, Pulseaudio is in my experience among the worst > > offenders. > > > > This got me thinking... It would be nice to have at least a > > list of > > suggestions of things that can be safely shut off that > > normally run all > > the time. For example, my desktop is set up with a static IP > > (so I can log > > in from elsewhere in the house) so why do I have the little > > network > > manager running? In fact, even with dhcp, my desktop does not > > have to be > > looking for changes in network. My netbook is different having > > wireless. > > > > Many of us can not upgrade our hardware every 6 months or even > > every two > > years. The ability cut out anything I don't need means (even > > with a fast > > computer) maybe one more track when I need it, or one more > > effect. > > > > An idea for a work flow. It would be nice to be able to set up > > my netbook > > as a remote control for the desktop. That is like a midi > > controller across > > netjack so I could control levels with something small that > > sits on a > > music stand without changing the surrounding audio space too > > much for > > those of us who both control and perform. The virtual desktop > > kind of > > control I think would be too resource hungry and maybe harder > > to control > > too. I don't know if there is already an application that does > > just midi > > controls or not. If there is, it could be added to the sound > > generation > > work flow which is already mostly MIDI stuff and includes > > jackd. > > > > > > Len > > > > > > -- > > > > Should Ubuntu Studio become a multimedia distro with absolute > > focus to audio recording and MIDI productions? > > > > I switched from Ubuntu to Debian and today, after restoring my > > upgraded Debian to the version I had before I installed the > > upgrades, I'll have a look at Arch Linux. > > > > Regarding to the DE, Ubuntu Studio might have done a good > > choice. > > > > Some points from my list are: > > > > - pulseaudio shouldn't be installed > > - at least the real kernel-rt should be included, not only > > preempt + threadirqs aka Rt emulation. > > > > I anyway prefer the kernel-rt + a GNU offending NVIDIA patch. > > I also will keep GNOME 2 for my installs. The policy of most > > Linux distros became a PITA. > > > > My stable DAW until now is Edubuntu 10.10 + Ubuntu Studio > > repositories + self build stuff and I didn't upgrade since a > > long time ago. > > > > Ralf > > > > > > i have participated in discussion about taking pulse audio out. > > personally, it doesnt get in my way, and i also think there are some > > users who dont do audio production exclusively who would probably > > prefer an experience closer to the main ubuntu (meaning pulse > > included). however the majority or users are likely audio/MIDI folks, > > and i could see, and support not having pulse included by default, and > > i personally also know how to install pulse if i need/want it. of > > course that argumen
Re: extra background stuff and work flow idea
On Sat, 2011-11-12 at 08:55 -0500, Mike Holstein wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com im Auftrag > von Len Ovens > Gesendet: Fr 11/11/2011 19:06 > An: Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion > Betreff: extra background stuff and work flow idea > > > > > On Thu, November 10, 2011 1:00 pm, Luke Kuhn wrote: > > > > While we are on the subject of background processes that are > resource > > hogs, Pulseaudio is in my experience among the worst > offenders. > > This got me thinking... It would be nice to have at least a > list of > suggestions of things that can be safely shut off that > normally run all > the time. For example, my desktop is set up with a static IP > (so I can log > in from elsewhere in the house) so why do I have the little > network > manager running? In fact, even with dhcp, my desktop does not > have to be > looking for changes in network. My netbook is different having > wireless. > > Many of us can not upgrade our hardware every 6 months or even > every two > years. The ability cut out anything I don't need means (even > with a fast > computer) maybe one more track when I need it, or one more > effect. > > An idea for a work flow. It would be nice to be able to set up > my netbook > as a remote control for the desktop. That is like a midi > controller across > netjack so I could control levels with something small that > sits on a > music stand without changing the surrounding audio space too > much for > those of us who both control and perform. The virtual desktop > kind of > control I think would be too resource hungry and maybe harder > to control > too. I don't know if there is already an application that does > just midi > controls or not. If there is, it could be added to the sound > generation > work flow which is already mostly MIDI stuff and includes > jackd. > > > Len > > > -- > > Should Ubuntu Studio become a multimedia distro with absolute > focus to audio recording and MIDI productions? > > I switched from Ubuntu to Debian and today, after restoring my > upgraded Debian to the version I had before I installed the > upgrades, I'll have a look at Arch Linux. > > Regarding to the DE, Ubuntu Studio might have done a good > choice. > > Some points from my list are: > > - pulseaudio shouldn't be installed > - at least the real kernel-rt should be included, not only > preempt + threadirqs aka Rt emulation. > > I anyway prefer the kernel-rt + a GNU offending NVIDIA patch. > I also will keep GNOME 2 for my installs. The policy of most > Linux distros became a PITA. > > My stable DAW until now is Edubuntu 10.10 + Ubuntu Studio > repositories + self build stuff and I didn't upgrade since a > long time ago. > > Ralf > > > i have participated in discussion about taking pulse audio out. > personally, it doesnt get in my way, and i also think there are some > users who dont do audio production exclusively who would probably > prefer an experience closer to the main ubuntu (meaning pulse > included). however the majority or users are likely audio/MIDI folks, > and i could see, and support not having pulse included by default, and > i personally also know how to install pulse if i need/want it. of > course that argument could be applied the other way, and any user can > remove pulse. Removing pulse isn't that easy. Still my stable DAW is Ubuntu Studio, but currently I test Debian testing and the easiest way for Debian seems to build two dummy packages, libcanberra-pulse_2011-dummy_all.deb and pulseaudio_2011-dummy_all.deb, since gnome-core forces to install those packages, after the upgarde from GNOME 2 to GNOME 3. With this dummies audio for non-jackd apps (at least for flashplayer and media player apps) still is ok. IIRC you switched to XFCE?! A good choice. My Ubuntu Studio is still runnin
Re: extra background stuff and work flow idea
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > ** > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com im Auftrag von Len Ovens > Gesendet: Fr 11/11/2011 19:06 > An: Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion > Betreff: extra background stuff and work flow idea > > > > On Thu, November 10, 2011 1:00 pm, Luke Kuhn wrote: > > > > While we are on the subject of background processes that are resource > > hogs, Pulseaudio is in my experience among the worst offenders. > > This got me thinking... It would be nice to have at least a list of > suggestions of things that can be safely shut off that normally run all > the time. For example, my desktop is set up with a static IP (so I can log > in from elsewhere in the house) so why do I have the little network > manager running? In fact, even with dhcp, my desktop does not have to be > looking for changes in network. My netbook is different having wireless. > > Many of us can not upgrade our hardware every 6 months or even every two > years. The ability cut out anything I don't need means (even with a fast > computer) maybe one more track when I need it, or one more effect. > > An idea for a work flow. It would be nice to be able to set up my netbook > as a remote control for the desktop. That is like a midi controller across > netjack so I could control levels with something small that sits on a > music stand without changing the surrounding audio space too much for > those of us who both control and perform. The virtual desktop kind of > control I think would be too resource hungry and maybe harder to control > too. I don't know if there is already an application that does just midi > controls or not. If there is, it could be added to the sound generation > work flow which is already mostly MIDI stuff and includes jackd. > > > Len > > -- > > Should Ubuntu Studio become a multimedia distro with absolute focus to > audio recording and MIDI productions? > > I switched from Ubuntu to Debian and today, after restoring my upgraded > Debian to the version I had before I installed the upgrades, I'll have a > look at Arch Linux. > > Regarding to the DE, Ubuntu Studio might have done a good choice. > > Some points from my list are: > > - pulseaudio shouldn't be installed > - at least the real kernel-rt should be included, not only preempt + > threadirqs aka Rt emulation. > > I anyway prefer the kernel-rt + a GNU offending NVIDIA patch. I also will > keep GNOME 2 for my installs. The policy of most Linux distros became a > PITA. > > My stable DAW until now is Edubuntu 10.10 + Ubuntu Studio repositories + > self build stuff and I didn't upgrade since a long time ago. > > Ralf > i have participated in discussion about taking pulse audio out. personally, it doesnt get in my way, and i also think there are some users who dont do audio production exclusively who would probably prefer an experience closer to the main ubuntu (meaning pulse included). however the majority or users are likely audio/MIDI folks, and i could see, and support not having pulse included by default, and i personally also know how to install pulse if i need/want it. of course that argument could be applied the other way, and any user can remove pulse. kernel-rt is over. here is what the debian multimedia team states about it from here @ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia#Realtime_kernel "The Debian Multimedia team is not working on including a kernel image with the realtime-patches applied in Debian. Much of the realtime-patches have been accepted in the mainline kernel, to the point that for most purposes the stock Debian kernel is suitable even for realtime-like work." i know its going to be challenging to let go of the mentality that we need a realtime kernel. we hope to have the -lowlatency kernel included by default this cycle, and we are planning on doing some testing/benchmarking with different equipment and the -generic vs -lowlatency kernels over the next few weeks. there will *not* be a kernel-rt included this cycle. if someone would like to instigate the inclusion of a kernel-rt, you are welcome to come on the IRC and go through the same avenues that we (mostly Scott Lavender) have been going through to get the -lowlatency kernel (potentially) included in the main repository for the past 3 cycles. if the kernel is not in the main repos, we cant ship it. PPA's easily add that functionality for the end user after the installation. > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > -- MH mikeholstein.info <http://www.mikeholstein.info/> -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
AW: extra background stuff and work flow idea
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com im Auftrag von Len Ovens Gesendet: Fr 11/11/2011 19:06 An: Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion Betreff: extra background stuff and work flow idea On Thu, November 10, 2011 1:00 pm, Luke Kuhn wrote: > > While we are on the subject of background processes that are resource > hogs, Pulseaudio is in my experience among the worst offenders. This got me thinking... It would be nice to have at least a list of suggestions of things that can be safely shut off that normally run all the time. For example, my desktop is set up with a static IP (so I can log in from elsewhere in the house) so why do I have the little network manager running? In fact, even with dhcp, my desktop does not have to be looking for changes in network. My netbook is different having wireless. Many of us can not upgrade our hardware every 6 months or even every two years. The ability cut out anything I don't need means (even with a fast computer) maybe one more track when I need it, or one more effect. An idea for a work flow. It would be nice to be able to set up my netbook as a remote control for the desktop. That is like a midi controller across netjack so I could control levels with something small that sits on a music stand without changing the surrounding audio space too much for those of us who both control and perform. The virtual desktop kind of control I think would be too resource hungry and maybe harder to control too. I don't know if there is already an application that does just midi controls or not. If there is, it could be added to the sound generation work flow which is already mostly MIDI stuff and includes jackd. Len -- Should Ubuntu Studio become a multimedia distro with absolute focus to audio recording and MIDI productions? I switched from Ubuntu to Debian and today, after restoring my upgraded Debian to the version I had before I installed the upgrades, I'll have a look at Arch Linux. Regarding to the DE, Ubuntu Studio might have done a good choice. Some points from my list are: - pulseaudio shouldn't be installed - at least the real kernel-rt should be included, not only preempt + threadirqs aka Rt emulation. I anyway prefer the kernel-rt + a GNU offending NVIDIA patch. I also will keep GNOME 2 for my installs. The policy of most Linux distros became a PITA. My stable DAW until now is Edubuntu 10.10 + Ubuntu Studio repositories + self build stuff and I didn't upgrade since a long time ago. Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
extra background stuff and work flow idea
On Thu, November 10, 2011 1:00 pm, Luke Kuhn wrote: > > While we are on the subject of background processes that are resource > hogs, Pulseaudio is in my experience among the worst offenders. This got me thinking... It would be nice to have at least a list of suggestions of things that can be safely shut off that normally run all the time. For example, my desktop is set up with a static IP (so I can log in from elsewhere in the house) so why do I have the little network manager running? In fact, even with dhcp, my desktop does not have to be looking for changes in network. My netbook is different having wireless. Many of us can not upgrade our hardware every 6 months or even every two years. The ability cut out anything I don't need means (even with a fast computer) maybe one more track when I need it, or one more effect. An idea for a work flow. It would be nice to be able to set up my netbook as a remote control for the desktop. That is like a midi controller across netjack so I could control levels with something small that sits on a music stand without changing the surrounding audio space too much for those of us who both control and perform. The virtual desktop kind of control I think would be too resource hungry and maybe harder to control too. I don't know if there is already an application that does just midi controls or not. If there is, it could be added to the sound generation work flow which is already mostly MIDI stuff and includes jackd. Len -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
