Re: The mystical world of video...

[D. Michael McIntyre]

On Sunday 16 December 2007, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> I give DVD authoring on Linux a "Go Back To Windows Before You Hurt
> Yourself" award.

OTOH, to look at the bright side...

Even though I'm probably pissing in the wind trying to make this stupid 
useless junk work again, I do have to give Ubuntu Studio a "Even Though DVD 
Authoring is Hopeless At Least Your Computer Is Still Usable While You Are 
Pissing In The Wind" award too.

I'm typing in KMail.  It's not that responsive, but I'm burning 150% of my CPU 
cycles on some DVD converting making doodadaflungles, and just for shits and 
giggles, I started playing the composition I'm working on in Rosegarden.

I'll be damned.  I've got ZynAddSubFX playing about six different patches, 
plus Rosegarden reproducing several audio segments, and it's actually playing 
without any glitches or xruns.

I'm impressed.  The stupid Windows laptop might have burned the DVD with two 
clicks, and produced something that actually worked, but it was completely 
useless for 10 hours or so while it churned.  At least I can do my regular 
thing while I piss away another futile attempt at burning this stupid DVD.

The composition just finished playing while I was typing.  No glitches.  
That's amazing.
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Re: The mystical world of video...

[D. Michael McIntyre]

On Saturday 15 December 2007, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> Looks like this is about as useful for video twiddling for the average dumb
> kid luser as a bucket full of rusty tacks.

Grumble grumble grumble, bitch bitch bitch. I so totally hate my best friend 
Linux right now.

I swear even as big of a pain in the ass as it is for regular stupid lusers to 
get Rosegarden to make some noise out of the box, I don't think there is any 
comparison between that and this.

I give DVD authoring on Linux a "Go Back To Windows Before You Hurt Yourself" 
award.

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Re: The mystical world of video...

[D. Michael McIntyre]

On Saturday 15 December 2007, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> Looks like QDVDAuthor is the closest to what I'm looking for.  More or
> less. At least it looks somewhat promising.

Well, it spent like five hours running my box at a load average of 3.0 or 
more, and it did produce a directory full of stuff, but it seems like more 
than half of what I was trying to get here is missing, and I still can't 
figure out any way to burn the @[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED] thing to a 
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@#^ DVD.

K3B puked because "some files seem to be missing" or something.  Yeah, like 
the other 2/3 of what I was trying to get here.

Makes me think unless I'm missing the train in a major way, maybe Ubuntu 
Studio better think twice about promoting the whole video aspect of things.  
Looks like this is about as useful for video twiddling for the average dumb 
kid luser as a bucket full of rusty tacks.
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Re: The mystical world of video...

[D. Michael McIntyre]

Looks like QDVDAuthor is the closest to what I'm looking for.  More or less.  
At least it looks somewhat promising.

Of course it literally crashes every third operation I try to perform.

This stuff looks like where Rosegarden was when I got there back in 2001.  
Tantalizing, encouraging, but woefully useless; rather like a rubber candy 
bar.

Problem is MIDI hasn't changed much in years, but DVDs are already on the way 
out, and our tools don't seem likely to be keeping up with the next 
generation stuff when they can't even handle the old generation stuff without 
soiling themselves constantly.

After a couple hours of endless crashes, I seem to be on the verge of actually 
producing something with QDVDAuthor.  Who knows.  Maybe it will finally work, 
and I will quit whining and go do something else.

Like start the wiki page with my findings, in the hopes that some expert will 
come along and point out everything I got wrong and/or maligned due to having 
an unusually bad first taste.
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Re: Ubuntu-Studio-users Digest, Vol 7, Issue 56

[Yvan Vander Sanden]

Paul DeShaw wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> My keyboard is not doing this; what keyboard layout should I choose in 
> Systems->preverences->keyboards to get this feature?
That depends on the keyboard you have. In any case, you'd have to choose 
a variant with 'dead keys'.

> Like  Yvan, I also have an M-Audio Ozone, but I have been struggling 
> for over a year to get it to work properly in Linux.  You are lucky 
> yours works. If you think you can help, please see this thread:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=148467&page=5 
> 
> I have stumped everybody on every forum and mail list I have tried.  
> Maybe it is just time for new hardware?
I don't know if i mentioned the instructions on my website: 
http://youngmusic.org/wiki/index.php/M-Audio_Ozone  ?

Did you try the command 'asoundconf list'? Is the ozone mentioned there?

Regards,

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Re: Ubuntu-Studio-users Digest, Vol 7, Issue 56

[Paul DeShaw]

> From: "Luis de Bethencourt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion" <
> ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:47:33 +0100
> Subject: Re: My single quote key is misbehaving
> Fix the keyboard layout. What you are seeing is not a single quote but
> a latin accent.
>
> '  -> quote
> ` -> accent
> ´ -> other accent
>
> Why you have to press it twice? Because àccénts gó with léttèrs. So
> you préss the accent and then the lèttér it goes with. And if you want
> it alone, you press it twice.
>
> Luis de Bethencourt
>
>
> > On Nov 27, 2007 10:32 PM, Darrin Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Essentially, when I hit the single quote key, on the first click,
> > > nothing happens, or sometimes my computer will beep at me but it won´t
> > > print the quote.  Usually, the single quote appears after the second
> > > click of the key.  Also, the single quote is not the standard tick
> > > mark, but is rather a very sloped single quote.  Not sure if the slope
> > > comes across or not in this email. ( ´ )
> > > - Darrin
>
> From: Yvan Vander Sanden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> It's not a bug, it's a feature!
>
> If you want the standard tick mark, press the quote followed by a space.
> This is also very handy for making characters with accents. Just type
> the quote followed by the character: é á ź ć
>
> backwards accents can be formed with the quote left from the number one:
>
> à è
>
> Trema's with the double quote ä ë etc.
>
> You should be able to change this behaviour using
> System->preferences->keyboard but I don't know what option you should
> choose. Guess you have to experiment a bit.  On the other hand, this
> feature is really handy if you get used to it. Maybe you should try it
> for a few weeks.
>
> yvan


Hi,

My keyboard is not doing this; what keyboard layout should I choose in
Systems->preverences->keyboards to get this feature?  Sometimes I post on
the Musix forum and might like to interject some Spanish. This feature would
be so much easier than switching back and forth between keyboards!  If you
visit Musix forums (http://foros.musix.es), I am Bazbo; on Ubuntu Forums I
am Aurora.  Like  Yvan, I also have an M-Audio Ozone, but I have been
struggling for over a year to get it to work properly in Linux.  You are
lucky yours works. If you think you can help, please see this thread:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=148467&page=5
I have stumped everybody on every forum and mail list I have tried.  Maybe
it is just time for new hardware?

Luis, thank you for the short tutorial.  Now maybe I won't have to skip the
accent marks when I attempt to write in Spanish.

As you can see, I am behind reading this forum, and am just getting to late
November.  If you reply to this message, please CC zaltar at myway dot com
so I see the reply before next February :0  Also, G-Mail does not let me
write the subject line when I reply, so I am sorry for the silly subject
line, but there is nothing I can do about it.  At least I edited the other
posts from the digest.

Cheers,

Paul in Seattle
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Re: Asus Eee

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Someone's already gone and customized Xubuntu to run fairly flawlessly on
it:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/13/eeexubuntu-ubuntu-distilled-for-your-eee/

~h

On 12/15/07, '2+ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> am wondering if a simple
> python+csound thangs are available @ it's terminal
> xandros seems to be debian based
> but the question is whether we could really apt-get many thangs or not
>
> i'd rather install a X-less-CUI-Slackware to it if possible
> is the disk partition custumizing available via fdisk?
>
> my another thought is to keep the os as is far happy ordianary thangs
> in net-life
> but keeping a bootable USB-PEN to boot @ Eee and other small machines..
> maybe p:d?
> if [EMAIL PROTECTED] is available ... again that's nicer .. then custumized 
> SLAX?
>
>

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Re: Asus Eee

[Mark Stuart Burge]

PIM
Data recovery or router administration tool (for field service)
In flight entertainment (dvd, games, etc)
International Incident Rescue tool (for Jack Bauer - although he
manages to save the usa with a pda phone at the moment) - Must have a
dark desktop theme.


as for musical - 
remote mixer control for dialing in a mix while on stage
midi sequencer  - using usb to external midi interface
guitar tuner
background music for live pa setups (i don't like ipods)
reserve effects unit
stage lighting control for small bands (using usb to dmx interface)


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm considering getting an Asus
Eee, particularly for any interesting musical applications it may
have. What would you use a hand-sized laptop with a 7" LCD, 900mhz proc
and 512MB RAM for? There are 3 USB inputs, so there are alot of
different directions to go with this...
  
  
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Re: Asus Eee

['2+]

am wondering if a simple
python+csound thangs are available @ it's terminal
xandros seems to be debian based
but the question is whether we could really apt-get many thangs or not

i'd rather install a X-less-CUI-Slackware to it if possible
is the disk partition custumizing available via fdisk?

my another thought is to keep the os as is far happy ordianary thangs
in net-life
but keeping a bootable USB-PEN to boot @ Eee and other small machines..
maybe p:d?
if [EMAIL PROTECTED] is available ... again that's nicer .. then custumized 
SLAX?

On 12/16/07, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I'm considering getting an Asus Eee,
> > 
> > particularly for any interesting musical applications it may have.
> > What would you use a hand-sized laptop with a 7" LCD, 900mhz proc and
> > 512MB RAM for?
>
> Email. Web. Writing.
>
> > There are 3 USB inputs, so there are alot of different directions to
> > go with this...
> >
> > --
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> > http://holotone.net/
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Re: Asus Eee

[Cory K.]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm considering getting an Asus Eee,
> 
> particularly for any interesting musical applications it may have.
> What would you use a hand-sized laptop with a 7" LCD, 900mhz proc and
> 512MB RAM for?

Email. Web. Writing.

> There are 3 USB inputs, so there are alot of different directions to
> go with this...
>
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Asus Eee

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I'm considering getting an Asus
Eee,particularly
for any interesting musical applications it may have. What
would you use a hand-sized laptop with a 7" LCD, 900mhz proc and 512MB RAM
for? There are 3 USB inputs, so there are alot of different directions to go
with this...

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Re: What is "low spec" for you?

[D. Michael McIntyre]

On Saturday 15 December 2007, Karlheinz Noise wrote:
> I was one of those newbies, if you might recall. I got checksum errors when
> I tried to even install US on my old Celeron 400, asked why, and nobody
> gave me any help other than "Don't bother, get a better machine."

Look, I've *tried* to do this stuff on low spec hardware.  I have first-hand 
experience with a variety of old hand-me-down computers in the Pentium, PII 
and PIII range.  I spent a lot of time in particular on a PII- or PIII-400 
(not sure which) that I was trying to get working just well enough to run 
Rosegarden with a very minimalist soft synth setup.  It never happened.

If I was quick to tell you to quit wasting your time with a 400 MHz Celeron, 
that's why.  It wouldn't have accomplished anything other than guaranteeing 
you would have a completely miserable first experience.

As it happened, you still had a completely miserable first experience.  I'm 
sorry about that, but it doesn't change the facts about the machine you were 
trying to use.  That one *guaranteed* a miserable experience, whereas the 
other one gave you a fighting chance (and you still lost the fight, as it 
turned out.)
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Re: What is "low spec" for you?

[Asmo Koskinen]

Karlheinz Noise kirjoitti:
> They SHOULD be - their "job" is not to run a computer, but to play an 
> instrument.
>   

That is THE reason why I keep pushing LTSP (www.ltsp.org) to the 
schools. Teachers job is teaching, not run a computer. And they do not 
run computers at school, they teach with a computer. And pupils are 
happy with thin clients, too.

http://www.mantykankaankoulu.kokkola.fi/vme/tunninal/tunninal.html (few 
minutes before teacher arrives...)

Too bad that jackd do not run on LTSP environment, on thin clients - 
everybody needs  a fat client. Maybe someday we really has jackd on thin 
clients, who knows...

http://www.arkki.info/howto/LTSP_Pikiruukki/Pikiruukki_20.png

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Re: What is "low spec" for you?

[Karlheinz Noise]

>What I
> have the biggest problem with is the classic newbie who comes along and
> starts bitching about bad performance on the PII-400 he dug out of the closet
> to try Linux on, to see if it was worth the effort before he tries anything
> on his real computer that's way better than mine.
>
> I've long since been at the point where I lost all sympathy for people like
> that, and I don't even bother to encourage them further anymore.

So I've noticed.

I was one of those newbies, if you might recall. I got checksum errors when I 
tried to even install US on my old Celeron 400, asked why, and nobody gave me 
any help other than "Don't bother, get a better machine."

Despite the fact that there is no mention whatsoever on the US site about 
system requirements. None. I just checked again, just now, and if anyone can 
tell me where that is mentioned, I'd like to hear it.

So, I tried installing US on my current working machine... which resulted in a 
reformatted hard drive, lost data, the need to completely re-install Windows 
(GRUB overwrote the MBR), etc etc etc. Essentially I lost a week of computer 
time, which is EXACTLY what I was trying to avoid by doing a "dry run" on an 
older machine.

I didn't even bother asking for help here, since y'all were so unhelpful in 
general. I did eventually get help - from someone on a forum about industrial 
music.

I should probably point something out to the users of this list: If you are 
doing a distro for artists, then the OS you are really competing with is not 
Windows, it's Macintosh. The reason most "artistic" people go with Mac's over 
PC's is that they work as promised right out of the box. No tweaking, no having 
to set up soundcards or any of that nonsense; just plug and go. (At least in 
theory...)

This, in my opinion, should be the goal of any OS geared towards musicians in 
general: it should be totally invisible. That also means that you should 
encourage newbies - because most musicians are, and always will be, computer 
newbies. They SHOULD be - their "job" is not to run a computer, but to play an 
instrument.

By the way: I still, to this day, use my 400MHz machine for mastering, since it 
can run WaveLab with one instance of Ozone, and that's really all I need.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm about as pissed off at the above attitude as you 
are at newbies like me.

Off now to try 64 Studio,

-Karlheinz
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Re: The mystical world of video...

[D. Michael McIntyre]

On Saturday 15 December 2007, Luis de Bethencourt wrote:
> Have you tried to use K3B?

I tried that first.  If there's a way to take *.avi and burn a video DVD with 
K3B, it sure isn't obvious.  Start new Video DVD Project, and you wind up 
with a drop window that has mysterious subdirectories AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS 
in it.  No idea WTF that's all about.

Same thing happens if I try to rip the DVD I successfully burned with Windows.  
K3B shows a /tmp directory with AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS subdirectories, but the 
light on the drive never flickers, and it doesn't do anything.

I also tried KMediaFactory, which looked encouraging, but proved discouraging. 
It crashed a lot, wasted a lot of disk space with incomplete conversions to a 
different format, and never got to the golden prize at the end, and Kino, 
with different crashes and different intermediary file formats, but the same 
dismal results.  I ate up several gigabytes on useless metafiles associated 
with crashed applications that never actually even started to produce 
anything usable.

I've been looking for the Ubuntu Studio page that says "Ubuntu Studio is all 
about video.  Whip out Mystery App or Other Super Better Mystery App and 
click click click your way to bliss with our fantastic tools!!!" but I'm just 
not finding anything at all, except the empty skeleton on the wiki.

Of course it's true that I'm stubbornly using Kubuntu Studio.  Maybe I'm 
missing the obvious THE COOL VIDEO TOOLS THAT WORK ARE OVER HERE STUPID --> 
because I'm not using GNOME.
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Re: What do you guys listen to? :)

[Cory K.]

Cory K. wrote:
> Something cool I just found. http://www.myspace.com/rodrigoygabriela
>
> -Cory \m/
>   

I feel like a tool replying to my own mail but WOW. I'm sooo late to
find out about these guys and their killer music. :D

Seriously. CHECK THESE GUYS OUT!

Im running back out now to buy their new CD and will scour the interweb
to find the 2 others.

The girl is the the best female guitarist Ive seen. Not to be sexist,
its just not everyday you see a girl who can shred with the guys. ;)

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Re: What do you guys listen to? :)

[Cory K.]

Something cool I just found. http://www.myspace.com/rodrigoygabriela

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Re: The mystical world of video...

[Luis de Bethencourt]

On Dec 15, 2007 6:28 PM, D. Michael McIntyre
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 14 December 2007, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
>
> > This is obviously not going to yield to the clueless random luser walking
> > in with absolutely no video experience.  So where do I start?  I've never
> > used anything in the Windows realm either.  I'm a delicate virgin, so be
> > gentle!
>

Have you tried to use K3B?

Luis

> OK, actually I had, and that's what I wound up using again this time.  I hate
> to admit it, but Windows wins this round for allowing the clueless person the
> means to drag some files to something obvious and burn a working DVD.
>
> I'm hoping that now that I have it, I can re-rip it and maybe I'll have better
> luck now that the video is in the right format.
>
> But that doesn't seem to be true.
>
> I guess this is another "Any MIDI apps for Linux that don't suck" thread,
> because all I see here so far is a bunch of frustrating crap that has me glad
> for the first time since 2001 that I had a copy of Windows.
>
> Tragic.
>
> Oh well.  Thanks for all the timely guidance everybody.  (That was sarcasm.)
>
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Re: The mystical world of video...

[D. Michael McIntyre]

On Friday 14 December 2007, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> This is obviously not going to yield to the clueless random luser walking
> in with absolutely no video experience.  So where do I start?  I've never
> used anything in the Windows realm either.  I'm a delicate virgin, so be
> gentle!

OK, actually I had, and that's what I wound up using again this time.  I hate 
to admit it, but Windows wins this round for allowing the clueless person the 
means to drag some files to something obvious and burn a working DVD.

I'm hoping that now that I have it, I can re-rip it and maybe I'll have better 
luck now that the video is in the right format.

But that doesn't seem to be true.

I guess this is another "Any MIDI apps for Linux that don't suck" thread, 
because all I see here so far is a bunch of frustrating crap that has me glad 
for the first time since 2001 that I had a copy of Windows.

Tragic.

Oh well.  Thanks for all the timely guidance everybody.  (That was sarcasm.)
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Re: Timidty

[D. Michael McIntyre]

On Saturday 15 December 2007, Bharani Prasanth Sure wrote:

> > I doubt selecting a particular bank would solve your problem, but maybe I
> > don't quite understand exactly what you're facing.
> >
> > Can you send me a sample file to examine for myself, so I can try to get
> > it to play with TiMidity?  I'll post the results back to the list.

> Yes,

I meant send it to me privately, instead of mailing a copy to all 50,000 
Ubuntu Studio users who are subscribed to this list.

>I think you are right..But how to select a particular bank.
> Is there any way to do it? Please try to play the attached file..Most

You select a bank with a particular MIDI controller.  Something like 
Rosegarden insulates you from the details of how this works, and I don't 
quite remember them myself.

Anyway, as I suspected, changing banks doesn't have anything to do with your 
problem.  It says:

  No instrument mapped to tone bank 0, program 22 - this instrument will not
  be heard

What this means is that there is no program 22 in tone bank 0.  This doesn't 
mean you need to change to a different bank, because there isn't another 
bank.  Tone bank 0 is the only bank with the default setup as TiMidity + 
Freepats ship out of the box.

If you look in /etc/timidity/freepats.cfg you can plainly see that there is no 
program 22 in tone bank 0, just like this error indicates:

  bank 0

   0  Tone_000/000_Acoustic_Grand_Piano.pat amp=120 pan=center
   [...]
   21 Tone_000/021_Accordion.pat
   23 Tone_000/023_Tango_Accordion.pat
   [...]

They skipped over program 22.  I don't work at Freepats or TiMidity, and I 
have no idea why this is so.

Possible solutions:

1) Load the MIDI file into something like Rosegarden and change whatever is 
trying to use program 22 to use some other program.  (You have options from 
there.  You could export the result back out to a .mid file, or run TiMidity 
as an ALSA synth client (timidity -iA), and play TiMidity directly from 
Rosegarden.)

2) Edit /etc/timidity/freepats.cfg (as root, of course) and map program 22 to 
something else, just so you'll get some result here.

3) Run TiMidity with some other soundfont.  (I just spent 20 minutes digging 
around in the 897-line man page trying to figure out just how to do this, and 
I have no clue yet.  It does say it can run using .sf2 format soundfonts, the 
most common type, but damn if I see what string of text to feed it to make 
that happen; nor can I hit on what string of text to search for to find the 
answer.)

4) Abandon TiMidity in favor of something with a friendly interface, like 
QSynth.  (Unless you're using it for some purpose QSynth can't accomplish.  
It does have some unique functionality.)

> probably you will see the result same as mine.Also timidity  gets garbled
> sound when I use it in the back ground like when I am switching between the
> windows while playing. Is there any way to get over with it...?

That's probably a realtime priority issue or something.  Not my area of 
expertise.  I'm totally dependent on the kind folks at projects like Ubuntu 
Studio to save me from my abysmal ignorance about such matters.  (I know what 
I don't know, but you have to be a rocket scientist and breathe and sweat 
this realtime priority latency gobbledygook to get anything to work.  I'm 
glad there are people willing to wade through all that insanely complicated 
garbage on my account, because I'm certainly not up for the challenge myself.  
Blah.)
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OT: Canola2

[Asmo Koskinen]

Asmo Koskinen kirjoitti:
> So with Webcam, Flumotion and Kino you can broadcast yourself - if you 
> have something to say...

I want my MTV! - 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehl_VQuKRTc&feature=related 


I want my Canola2! - http://blip.tv/file/542322/

I want my OS2008!

Best Regards Asmo Koskinen.

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