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Re: Petition to save HDDVD
No optical disc player is worth $400+ to me. I will let others pay the early adopter tax on this one. Maybe someday, but not this someday. - Original Message From: Gustin Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:45:41 PM Subject: Re: Petition to save HDDVD -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 No thanx. I want a single format to win. I'm old enough to remember | Betamax/VHS war. BlueRay has won. | We all lost since neither side could co-operate. In the mean time the proliferation of lower quality downloaded content appears to be entrenched. It is possible that BR/hd-DVD pulled a Wordstar and wrestled themselves down and out. When Sony stuck with their memory stick format, I vowed never to buy another product from them, as they clearly did not learn their lesson from the Beta/VHS war. Blue Ray has reinforced this view. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHtggFwRXgH3rKGfMRAo+5AJ9bUHUXmvOywTHDwMbfUNECLQlVPwCePEdZ MROQ8NPB0DrvICT+j8ZUios= =H5RZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping-- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Petition to save HDDVD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gustin Johnson schrieb: Larry Lines wrote: | Cory K. schrieb: | Christopher Stamper wrote: | Who cares? I'm not using either. Ever. | | That's fine stick with your crappy, downloaded, lossy MP3s. ;) | | -Cory | | Vinyl is still the best - I used to listen to MP§ for the last 2 or so | Even worse, our ears and eyes are getting used to it. Almost all digital | formats | of music have been very bad for quality of music. I have grown up with both vinyl and CD (I am in my 30s). The crackles and the constant noise irritate me, especially since I do not have that nostalgic emotional connection that _can_ cloud ones subjective judgement. I never understood what makes people love the crackles. Ever since I spinned my first record in the early 80ies (chsh - zombies walk the list again har harr ha) crackles and noise where enemy number one. I accept them as unevitable if I listen to my australian copy of masters of the universe made in 1974 and bought for less then 20E, but they are definitely NOT what I like about listening to vinyl! A proper 24/96 digital recording can capture the same frequency range as vinyl 24/96 is not available on CD - if it would be, this certainly would make a difference. If I listen to a recording I made at 96KHz in Ardour and compare it A-B with an 44.1KHz/16bit CD I exported from the very same session the difference is evident. (well, it exceeds a human's ability to tell the difference, there are limits to what we can hear) Frequency range is not everything. Even though 96KHz tend to sound more brilliant then 44.1 CD the main difference and the one big advantage of vinyl is dynamics. The dynamics of sonar waves cannot be described correctly in a simple digital model. They cannot be reproduced exactly by a microgroove record also but the model of the microgroove provides a very good analogy - it is similar to sonar waves by its nature. and therefore be indistinguishable from vinyl LP does not sound more brilliant then 24/96 but played with a capable equipment (stereo plus turntable for about 500E 2nd hand), it can reveal more room and details. best regards HZN -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHtsvh1Aecwva1SWMRAkR5AJ0Xz9OM3SQhjP4ide94OcBW7PuhCwCeJ+1m iqt4ZNK4HTgk6NGm/0KybbY= =jodb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: another test
What's with this new trend of doing tests to the mailing lists. Please stop! If you want to test send a reply to an open thread, if people answer you... they read you. Luis de Bethencourt On Feb 15, 2008 11:28 PM, Dave Ricketzz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: test Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Luis de Bethencourt Guimerá luisbg [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG: B0ED1326 -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Petition to save HDDVD
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:41:22 +0100 Hartmut Noack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gustin Johnson schrieb: Larry Lines wrote: | Cory K. schrieb: | Christopher Stamper wrote: | Who cares? I'm not using either. Ever. | | That's fine stick with your crappy, downloaded, lossy MP3s. ;) | | -Cory | | Vinyl is still the best - I used to listen to MP§ for the last 2 or so | Even worse, our ears and eyes are getting used to it. Almost all digital | formats | of music have been very bad for quality of music. I have grown up with both vinyl and CD (I am in my 30s). The crackles and the constant noise irritate me, especially since I do not have that nostalgic emotional connection that _can_ cloud ones subjective judgement. I never understood what makes people love the crackles. Ever since I spinned my first record in the early 80ies (chsh - zombies walk the list again har harr ha) crackles and noise where enemy number one. I accept them as unevitable if I listen to my australian copy of masters of the universe made in 1974 and bought for less then 20E, but they are definitely NOT what I like about listening to vinyl! A proper 24/96 digital recording can capture the same frequency range as vinyl 24/96 is not available on CD - if it would be, this certainly would make a difference. If I listen to a recording I made at 96KHz in Ardour and compare it A-B with an 44.1KHz/16bit CD I exported from the very same session the difference is evident. (well, it exceeds a human's ability to tell the difference, there are limits to what we can hear) Frequency range is not everything. Even though 96KHz tend to sound more brilliant then 44.1 CD the main difference and the one big advantage of vinyl is dynamics. The dynamics of sonar waves cannot be described correctly in a simple digital model. They cannot be reproduced exactly by a microgroove record also but the model of the microgroove provides a very good analogy - it is similar to sonar waves by its nature. and therefore be indistinguishable from vinyl LP does not sound more brilliant then 24/96 but played with a capable equipment (stereo plus turntable for about 500E 2nd hand), it can reveal more room and details. best regards HZN -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHtsvh1Aecwva1SWMRAkR5AJ0Xz9OM3SQhjP4ide94OcBW7PuhCwCeJ+1m iqt4ZNK4HTgk6NGm/0KybbY= =jodb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Hartmut, have you ever been to hydrogenaudio.org ? The site is mainly about lossless and lossy audio formats but also a lot about listening tests, and how to do them properly. I think many people in that forum would love to see proper double-blind-test results that show that you can hear the difference between for example 24/96 and 16/44.1. Best Regards Philipp -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Yet another Vinyl vs. CD/Digital debate
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hartmut, have you ever been to hydrogenaudio.org ? The site is mainly about lossless and lossy audio formats but also a lot about listening tests, and how to do them properly. I think many people in that forum would love to see proper double-blind-test results that show that you can hear the difference between for example 24/96 and 16/44.1. Best Regards Philipp Ok. Let's split off this thread. Shoulda been done a while ago. If some replies the same time as I send this, re-title the response to that. Really, we have a number of threads like this lately and it becomes really hard to search for relevant info. And don't respond to my post in this thread. -Cory -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Giss.tv
I started fooling around giss.tv - very very interesting... http://www.arkki.info/howto/GissTV/Giss.tv_01.png G.I.S.S GLOBAL INDEPENDENT STREAMING SUPPORT free streaming services for free media. free as in cost, free as in software. http://giss.tv/ Best Regards Asmo Koskinen. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Petition to save HDDVD
A 45 RPM 12 single is hard to beat. - Original Message From: Gustin Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:29:04 PM Subject: Re: Petition to save HDDVD - I have grown up with both vinyl and CD (I am in my 30s). The crackles and the constant noise irritate me, especially since I do not have that nostalgic emotional connection that _can_ cloud ones subjective judgement. A proper 24/96 digital recording can capture the same frequency range as vinyl (well, it exceeds a human's ability to tell the difference, there are limits to what we can hear) and therefore be indistinguishable from vinyl, except of course for the artifacts created by the mechanical reproduction. Having said that, I know a lot of people who experience vinyl differently than I. They truly believe that vinyl sounds better. Neither experience is necessarily right or wrong, just different. Honestly, this argument is just like the vi(m) emacs wars, the Mac vs everyone else, and so on. It reduces to personal preference, period. - -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs-- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Res:Yet another Vinyl vs. CD/Digital debate
I was thinking noisy dance club. If I had to choose just one medium it'd be lossless digital of course. Pietro Bergamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Ricketzz [EMAIL PROTECTED] A 45 RPM 12 single is hard to beat. Yes, in dynamics and frequency response in ideal conditions. But honestly the crackles do annoy me and since I rarely have an absolutely silent room with a perfect system, I think I prefer digital formats. At least I don't have and aleatory percussionist playing along with the music. :^) - Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o único sem limite de espaço para armazenamento! -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.-- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Res:Yet another Vinyl vs. CD/Digital debate
Dave Ricketzz [EMAIL PROTECTED] A 45 RPM 12 single is hard to beat. Yes, in dynamics and frequency response in ideal conditions. But honestly the crackles do annoy me and since I rarely have an absolutely silent room with a perfect system, I think I prefer digital formats. At least I don't have and aleatory percussionist playing along with the music. :^) Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o único sem limite de espaço para armazenamento! http://br.mail.yahoo.com/-- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Yet another Vinyl vs. CD/Digital debate
I've never even seen a vinyl or whatever else. So I have no idea what your talking about. But if it has ANY crackles at all, I think I would hate it. Everyone always says it sounds good, but I think I just heard enough... :-) On Feb 16, 2008 9:55 AM, Pietro Bergamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Ricketzz [EMAIL PROTECTED] A 45 RPM 12 single is hard to beat. Yes, in dynamics and frequency response in ideal conditions. But honestly the crackles do annoy me and since I rarely have an absolutely silent room with a perfect system, I think I prefer digital formats. At least I don't have and aleatory percussionist playing along with the music. :^) -- Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mailhttp://br.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/mail/*http://br.mail.yahoo.com/, o único sem limite de espaço para armazenamento! -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Christopher Stamper [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg Skype: cdstamper -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Res: Yet another Vinyl vs. CD/Digital debate
Christopher Stamper wrote: I've never even seen a vinyl or whatever else. So I have no idea what your talking about. Yvan Vander Sanden wrote: Aww. Am I the only one who's feeling very old right now? No, you're not. But maybe when you get a little older you'll get used to it. :^) -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o único sem limite de espaço para armazenamento! http://br.mail.yahoo.com/-- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Edison's picture
Dave Ricketzz wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Edison_and_phonograph_edit2.jpg Nice picture! Thanks! Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o único sem limite de espaço para armazenamento! http://br.mail.yahoo.com/-- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Yet another Vinyl vs. CD/Digital debate
Ok, as a fellow audiophile I have too put my word in. First lets look at the prices of top of the line components. For all the interchangable and truly customizable setup the phonograph has the most options, with many different types of cartridges, arms, motors, pre-amps etc. YOu can easlily get a $100,000 phonograph. The most expensive CD player I have seen (please post others) was $45,000 NAim. Secon: Todays recordings are in a digital world. Everything is recorded digitally. But at 24-bit picture of the wave at a 96KHZ bandwidth. This is compressed t oa 16-bit 44.1KHZ CD image. However, when the master for the record is made lasers are used to create and exact picture of the wave captured by the microphone with the accuracy of the 24-hbit recording. Or in true analog recordings a true reproduction. Giving you with vinyl a more spactious sound with much mroe depth and dynamic constrast without drowing out the other instruments because of there relation to vinal. That is the danger with 24-bit mixes going to a CD somthing that you hear (viloins in a metal song) on the 24-bit recording which are identifiable could be lost by the compression of the CD. With a vinyl done right you wont lose the highs and clarity of ALL the channels. The negatives to vinyl I will try to explain this the best I can from what I know feel free to correct thes section and repost if you know I am wrong. With the records you loose your bass response and bass curve because the tone arm and catridge with its mass can absorb the low frequencys as they pass by the needle for the same reson that there low. When the frequency is lower that means there is less cycles per second and the tone arm moves with the notes rather than the needle because it has time too. Thats why customizing a turntable is such an important thing to get the right balance and match for the other components to create and accurate reproduction in sound. The positives of CD. Cost However in terms of more accurate spatious dynamically efficient sound, records will produce the beswt sound so long as there is good equipment. If I was to go to Best Buy to build a listening system for records vs cds. The Cd would most definatly win. If I wen't to classic stero with a good turntable and hi-fi recording, and used there BW 802Ds (If you don't know BW you might not wan't to be a part of this conversation) on Krell amplifiers, not to mention the really sweet Denon reciever and krell preamps. (No subs required but available for when you want to absolutly make yourself deaf with zero distortion equally represented sound or if your a movie fan) That system even with the Naim $45,000 Cd player with a standard formant CD the record is going to win hands down. Also with tube amps and preamps vinyl would also beat the CD in terms of tone quality. What would out do vinyl is the 24-bit 96K recording or even and HD-Audio AES/EBU interface would win. So long as that is the original audio quality level. Eventually with HD-DVDs or Blu-Ray whichever wins the vinyl audio will be lost to digital. But still not a true replacment to the tone provided with an all analog recording combined with a all analog tube system. -- Original message -- From: D. Michael McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Saturday 16 February 2008, Christopher Stamper wrote: I've never even seen a vinyl or whatever else. So I have no idea what [you're] talking about. http://youtube.com/watch?v=WIBnX4tJh7A -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Yet another Vinyl vs. CD/Digital debate
The right player combined with taken care of records, the crakle should be minimal to none. Proveded you spend way to much for the average joe for an audiophile set up. As I said before vinyl will win, but the affordablilty and decent quality of good CDs, and the advent of SACDs, and DVD audio. It really will not be worth the price for the added quality of audio. -- Original message -- From: Christopher Stamper [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've never even seen a vinyl or whatever else. So I have no idea what your talking about. But if it has ANY crackles at all, I think I would hate it. Everyone always says it sounds good, but I think I just heard enough... :-) On Feb 16, 2008 9:55 AM, Pietro Bergamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Ricketzz [EMAIL PROTECTED] A 45 RPM 12 single is hard to beat. Yes, in dynamics and frequency response in ideal conditions. But honestly the crackles do annoy me and since I rarely have an absolutely silent room with a perfect system, I think I prefer digital formats. At least I don't have and aleatory percussionist playing along with the music. :^) Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o único sem limite de espaço para armazenamento! -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Christopher Stamper [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg Skype: cdstamper ---BeginMessage--- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users ---End Message--- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Yet another Vinyl vs. CD/Digital debate
On Saturday 16 February 2008, Christopher Stamper wrote: I've never even seen a vinyl or whatever else. So I have no idea what [you're] talking about. http://youtube.com/watch?v=WIBnX4tJh7A -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Yet another Vinyl vs. CD/Digital debate
I'm fairly certain the master is cut with a heated stylus being driven by heavy duty coils being driven by audio amplifiers. The cutting head travels straight across the blank, and a good playback system mimics this mechanism as closely as possible. Evan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, when the master for the record is made lasers are used to create and exact picture of the wave captured by the microphone... - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.-- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
