Re: Ubuntu Studio 8.10, -rt and 2.6.27
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Make no mistake. This is a major issue that *could* make us skip a > release. In the end, it might be the way to go rather than ship a > release we're not proud of. > My first reaction to reading this conversation is that releasing software packages with major functionality issues (no realtime audio support is a major functionality issue for a large portion of your userbase) is a big no no. I'd say for now, plan to not release, but get your workload schedules perfect for Jazzy Jackalope (9.04) - and make it worth the wait. Also, look into working on an intrepid-like metapackage update for hardy (call it ubuntustudio-8.04.2). I don't know how feasable this strategy might be, but it's what popped into my head. I think using a generic .27 kernel until a -rt version is released would only be acceptable if a guaranteed update date for the -rt could be publicized before the release of intrepid (I'm aware of how impossible this is). Once again, this is just my opinion on the matter. Using a .26 kernel scares me. My experience with UbuntuStudio Intrepid so far has been fairly brief, as it's apparent my ati graphics card doesn't like the ati drivers in Intrepid repositories (one of the first tweaks to the system I attempted was to get compiz-fusion up). I haven't had time to fix the graphics yet, so I can't say much for the audio (just yet). -Eric Hedekar -- ___ http://greyrockstudio.blogspot.com -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: using Rosengarten, cutting .wave
On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:40:50 +0200 "Christian Masser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > if you simply want to cut the wave-file into several pieces you can > use audacity. Just import the file there, select the part you want to > seperate and do "file"->"export selection". > > greetings from austria > christian I can second that, something like Audacity is the easier solution, it's easier to learn, somewhat better suited for this task and doesn't require jack. On the other hand, Rosegarden has a rather good manual and tutorials. The What you are looking for can be found here: http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/doc/en/segment-view-audio-segments.html Note that you'll still need to install/configure/run jack for this to work. Here are links to more resources for Rosegarden: http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/resources/ Best regards, Philipp -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: using Rosengarten, cutting .wave
Hi, if you simply want to cut the wave-file into several pieces you can use audacity. Just import the file there, select the part you want to seperate and do "file"->"export selection". greetings from austria christian Am 02.09.2008, 01:27 Uhr, schrieb Eva Vossmerbäumer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > *Hello everyone! > > I am Eva, new here, a violinist wanting to use those wonderful Ubuntu > tools > to be able to tinker with the music recordings I have just made with a > guitarrist. > > I need to first of all cut a large wave file into separate pieces > > (As you might notice, I am pioneering the use of creative media software > - > but maybe one of you has a helpful push for me?!) > > So I downloaded the program * Rosengarten *... > .wave does not seem to be supported in there. > Do I need another sequencing program, in order to simply cut that wave > file? > Which one? > > And Rosengarten (I might want to use it for other things) tells me to run > the JACK server. > In which settings do I find him...? Help Ubuntu does not give me any > result > for JACK. > > I anybody knows, or just works with Rosengarten himself, or knows > anything > else, I am very grateful to know. > Thank you a lot, > > and greetings from New York, > Eva* -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: using Rosengarten, cutting .wave
Eva Vossmerbäumer wrote: > *Hello everyone! > > I am Eva, new here, a violinist wanting to use those wonderful Ubuntu > tools to be able to tinker with the music recordings I have just made > with a guitarrist. > > I need to first of all cut a large wave file into separate pieces > > (As you might notice, I am pioneering the use of creative media > software - but maybe one of you has a helpful push for me?!) > > So I downloaded the program * Rosengarten *... > .wave does not seem to be supported in there. > Do I need another sequencing program, in order to simply cut that wave > file? > Which one? > > And Rosengarten (I might want to use it for other things) tells me to > run the JACK server. > In which settings do I find him...? Help Ubuntu does not give me any > result for JACK. > > I anybody knows, or just works with Rosengarten himself, or knows > anything else, I am very grateful to know. > Thank you a lot, > > and greetings from New York, > Eva* Hi Eva- What version of Ubuntu are you running? If you are running the regular ubuntu, you have some work ahead of you to get Rosegarden working smoothly. I would suggest cross-grading to Ubuntu studio. Greetings form across the Hudson Matt -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
using Rosengarten, cutting .wave
*Hello everyone! I am Eva, new here, a violinist wanting to use those wonderful Ubuntu tools to be able to tinker with the music recordings I have just made with a guitarrist. I need to first of all cut a large wave file into separate pieces (As you might notice, I am pioneering the use of creative media software - but maybe one of you has a helpful push for me?!) So I downloaded the program * Rosengarten *... .wave does not seem to be supported in there. Do I need another sequencing program, in order to simply cut that wave file? Which one? And Rosengarten (I might want to use it for other things) tells me to run the JACK server. In which settings do I find him...? Help Ubuntu does not give me any result for JACK. I anybody knows, or just works with Rosengarten himself, or knows anything else, I am very grateful to know. Thank you a lot, and greetings from New York, Eva* -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ubuntu Studio 8.10, -rt and 2.6.27
On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:28:34 -0400 "Cory K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > > How about: shipping -generic until there is a .27-rt and > > provide the out-of-sync kernel as option in a ppa. > > It would be great if the .27-rt would be able to automagically > > replace the ppa version. > > > > This is an idea yes. But, a user would have to manually add the PPA > after their upgrade to Intrepid. The Hardy->Intrepid upgrade would > require a little more manual intervention than normal. And no matter > how well the instructions were, people will complain. > > This is all certainly doable, we're just gonna get alot of crap. Sux > when we're all volunteers. AFAIR upgrading was always problematic, same converting plain Ubuntu to Ubuntu Studio, so nothing really new here. What should IMHO be new this time are the instructions. First and foremost they should be placed prominently at the website and thus really easy to find, something that wasn't the case until now. There were some people interested in the website, it shouldn't be too hard to present the instructions for those two (three?) very common cases in an adequate manner. The other very common channel is IRC. There are people who don't see the channel topic, so it might also be time to have ChanServ (?) write a message on entry. I'm not around the forums so I don't really know what's adequate there, maybe something like a sticky topic? I know that this won't take all the crap but it should take some. > > I haven't tested those kernels yet, and while it is said that more > > and more rt-stuff goes into the generic kernel word is out that .26 > > is pretty bad for audio and midi. > > > > Yep. As stated by Paul D. on another list. > > > It would be good to hear some hands-on experience from people who > > already test intrepid. > > > > Agreed. > > -Cory K. Can you tell us how usable it already is? To my knowledge there's Alpha4 right now, Alpha5 should come on September 4. My real install will likely be from the Ubuntu mini.iso but I might do an install from DVD for test purposes once it's close enough to the real thing. I hope the whole thing shapes up somehow. Best Regards, Philipp -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ubuntu Studio 8.10, -rt and 2.6.27
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Wouldn't the out-of-sync kernel also mean security issues? > Yes. > I'm pretty sure that quite some people use ubuntu studio as general > purpose system as well, so that would be an issue. > While we don't necessarily create Studio with this in mind, we know most do. :) > How about: shipping -generic until there is a .27-rt and > provide the out-of-sync kernel as option in a ppa. > It would be great if the .27-rt would be able to automagically replace > the ppa version. > This is an idea yes. But, a user would have to manually add the PPA after their upgrade to Intrepid. The Hardy->Intrepid upgrade would require a little more manual intervention than normal. And no matter how well the instructions were, people will complain. This is all certainly doable, we're just gonna get alot of crap. Sux when we're all volunteers. > I haven't tested those kernels yet, and while it is said that more and > more rt-stuff goes into the generic kernel word is out that .26 is > pretty bad for audio and midi. > Yep. As stated by Paul D. on another list. > It would be good to hear some hands-on experience from people who > already test intrepid. > Agreed. -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ubuntu Studio 8.10, -rt and 2.6.27
On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:56:30 -0400 "Cory K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > One of the big things will be device support as the new kernel brings > better support. Along with very much improved (or so I'm told) > suspend/resume support. > > While this shipping an "out-of-sync" kernel looks like the best > option, it also have it's major drawbacks. So while you might have an > -rt kernel, you might have bad performance from the devices you need > the kernel for. > > Make no mistake. This is a major issue that *could* make us skip a > release. In the end, it might be the way to go rather than ship a > release we're not proud of. > > -Cory K. Wouldn't the out-of-sync kernel also mean security issues? I'm pretty sure that quite some people use ubuntu studio as general purpose system as well, so that would be an issue. How about: shipping -generic until there is a .27-rt and provide the out-of-sync kernel as option in a ppa. It would be great if the .27-rt would be able to automagically replace the ppa version. I haven't tested those kernels yet, and while it is said that more and more rt-stuff goes into the generic kernel word is out that .26 is pretty bad for audio and midi. It would be good to hear some hands-on experience from people who already test intrepid. Best Regards, Philipp -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [LAU] Ubuntu Studio 8.10, -rt and 2.6.27
Hartmut Noack wrote: > Cory K. schrieb: > > > * Shipping the -generic kernel with this 8.10 release of Ubuntu > > Studio and let people compile their own -rt kernel. > > This could be done in any Distro so there would not be a real > Ubuntustudio anymore. I don't agree completely since our focus is not *just* audio, though we know that's our biggest user segment. > The major strength of UBuntustudio is its > near-perfect integration of a audiosystem with a friendly desktop-distro. > I can run VMWare and NVIDIA-Drivers easily with the UBuntu rt kernel > would be a major p.i.t.a. do make stuff like that run with a self made > kernel. These could also be the very things you lose. > > * Ship a out-of-sync 2.6.26-rt kernel, hoping for a Stable Update > > Release in Intrepid with .27 later. > > This would be perfectly acceptable for me :-) > > > best regs > HZN > > BTW: what is so extremely important in .27? new hardwaresupport not > achievable with .26? Much better suspend/resume support along with many bug-fixes and device support. -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ubuntu Studio 8.10, -rt and 2.6.27
Marc R.J. Brevoort wrote: > On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, Cory K. wrote: > > >> we're looking at these options: >> >>* Shipping the -generic kernel with this 8.10 release of Ubuntu >> Studio and let people compile their own -rt kernel. With a latter >> PPA release of -rt for testing as upstream support happens. >>* Ship a out-of-sync 2.6.26-rt kernel, hoping for a Stable Update >> Release in Intrepid with .27 later. >> > > For me, the great thing about UbuntuStudio is that things work out of the > box: I don't *have* to compile a kernel to get proper realtime support. > > Over the years, I've closely followed the progress in Linux Audio land > and have compiled lots of kernels, but am very glad that I rarely > have to anymore (if ever). If the realtime kernel lags a version behind, > so be it- If I really need the latest bleeding edge functionality *now*, > I can always decide to compile my own anyway, but I'm more likely to > simply wait until it appears and be OK with it. So from my > point of view, an out-of-sync RT kernel would be fine. But as different > people have different needs, let's hear what others have to say. > > Best, > Marc > One of the big things will be device support as the new kernel brings better support. Along with very much improved (or so I'm told) suspend/resume support. While this shipping an "out-of-sync" kernel looks like the best option, it also have it's major drawbacks. So while you might have an -rt kernel, you might have bad performance from the devices you need the kernel for. Make no mistake. This is a major issue that *could* make us skip a release. In the end, it might be the way to go rather than ship a release we're not proud of. -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ubuntu Studio 8.10, -rt and 2.6.27
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cory K. schrieb: > * Shipping the -generic kernel with this 8.10 release of Ubuntu > Studio and let people compile their own -rt kernel. This could be done in any Distro so there would not be a real Ubuntustudio anymore. The major strength of UBuntustudio is its near-perfect integration of a audiosystem with a friendly desktop-distro. I can run VMWare and NVIDIA-Drivers easily with the UBuntu rt kernel would be a major p.i.t.a. do make stuff like that run with a self made kernel. > * Ship a out-of-sync 2.6.26-rt kernel, hoping for a Stable Update > Release in Intrepid with .27 later. This would be perfectly acceptable for me :-) best regs HZN BTW: what is so extremely important in .27? new hardwaresupport not achievable with .26? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIvEhQ1Aecwva1SWMRAmTKAJwMGrAGXqWQ4Xr7Zyc7MVZTA8hCWwCfVDpw CpcTXD2CTF12KV+F/1kXrxM= =gL/T -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Res: Ubuntu Studio 8.10, -rt and 2.6.27
> * Ship a out-of-sync 2.6.26-rt kernel, hoping for a Stable Update > Release in Intrepid with .27 later. I'd prefer this option, because otherwise would have to spend some time trying to learn how to compile a kernel, something I've never done before. I know this isn't something to be proud of, but it just true. > Of some combination of those. But this seems good to, because I think some people would like to have the latest .rt. Cheers, Pietro Novos endereços, o Yahoo! que você conhece. Crie um email novo com a sua cara @ymail.com ou @rocketmail.com. http://br.new.mail.yahoo.com/addresses -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Ubuntu Studio 8.10, -rt and 2.6.27
Hello all. This is going out to a couple of lists so I can get as wide an opinion as I can. I'll correct any inaccuracies as this discussion progresses. Quick intro: I'm Cory K. Lean on Ubuntu Studio. Hi :) So here's the pickle we're in as I understand it. The way the kernels are now managed in Ubuntu has changed radically in this release. Thus causing our kernel guy *much* more work that ever before. We've had to work very hard to get upstream -rt to support the .26 kernel but, now mainline Ubuntu has moved to 2.6.27. Which upstream -rt doesn't *look* to support yet. So because of these, and other issues that don't matter to the question I have we're looking at these options: * Shipping the -generic kernel with this 8.10 release of Ubuntu Studio and let people compile their own -rt kernel. With a latter PPA release of -rt for testing as upstream support happens. * Ship a out-of-sync 2.6.26-rt kernel, hoping for a Stable Update Release in Intrepid with .27 later. Of some combination of those. Thoughts on what to do? What do users want? (please be mature) -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
[Hardware] Small linux box / sampler?
Hello everyone in this my first message, hope you can give me some advice in this semi-OT question. I have a clavinova keyboard which sounds are growing tiresome on me. I have often used my laptop with ubuntu studio and a regular midi-to-usb cable to use qsynth with soundfonts from my collection grown over the years. This works quite well, but since this laptop is not always there, and tinkering with cables is always a bit of a chore, I'm thinking of some more definitive solution. One possibility is to have a (preferably cheap) silent small linux box always on the keyboard. I guess that after the initial setup it should work as fine as the laptop (although I intend not to have a monitor there, so the aspect of presets should receive a bit more thinking). One candidate could be this one, or something along these lines. I should think it would be powerful enough? I'm not really sure about the CPU demands of qsynth. http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/T7_Ubuntu_PC.html Another possibility is some basic stand-alone sampler. I confess not to know the current hardware that could serve for this, I've always been a PC man. I'd prefer one capable of using soundfonts, or at least some format to which sf can be converted, since I'm quite used to my collection. And of course any other option I haven't think of. Thanks in advance for any comments, Alex. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
