Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production

2008-10-24 Thread Sean Darby
However, I do not know if this device works with Linux/Alsa.

Do you know which devices (PCI or external) do work with Linux/ALSA, or
Ubuntu Studio in general (64-bit version if Studio has a 64-bit
version)?

In addition to my multiple PCI cards and USB interfaces, I have an
Alesis 1622 mixer, and a TOA 10 channel rack mounted mixer.

What do you use the 2 mixers for? More channels or are they somehow
connected to each other for another (additional) function?

I can then mix, eq, and record my outboard synths, drum machine, and
bass in one shot with a mixer output going into a Behringer UA202.

What is the UA202? I couldn't find it from a search.

I'm guessing I'll need to do a raw recording of the separate instruments
into one program and do my editing in another program? (I'd like to
learn how to use all the Ubuntu Studio audio programs, I'm still
relatively new to ubustu.)

Do you know of a good Yamaha or Mackie mixer that is around the $100
range or would you advise getting something in a higher price range?

Do you know of any less expensive alternatives to the E-MU 1616M?

Thank you!



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Re: Ubuntu-Studio-users Digest, Vol 18, Issue 42

2008-10-24 Thread Janne Jokitalo
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 07:12:29AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As for how it or any other hardware may work with UbuStu, can't say. So far
 my time spent in UbuStu has had nothing to do with sound and all to do with
 figuring out what broke after every update... :-(

Just a thought, but if you can, you might give some thought for separating the
music production workstation from everyday desktop use. Install, and pull the
network plug. Keeping it out from network pretty much keeps it from being
vulnerable to the cruel surrounding world. No need for updates -- no breakage.

If you have a spare machine for desktop use, that is.


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Re: Ubuntu-Studio-users Digest, Vol 18, Issue 42

2008-10-24 Thread Matthew Polashek
Eh, I guess if you have hardware that has lots of tough to install 
drivers. My Dell D510 has been cool after all updates so far.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jaska said: 

   
 Just a thought, but if you can, you might give some thought for separating
 
 the
   
 music production workstation from everyday desktop use. Install, and pull
 
 the
   
 network plug. Keeping it out from network pretty much keeps it from being
 vulnerable to the cruel surrounding world. No need for updates -- no
 
 breakage.

   
 If you have a spare machine for desktop use, that is.
 

 Yes, this is a great idea and my plan is to do just that. But, the network
 (wireless is my current sticking point, though previously it was the nvidia
 stuff) is handy when
 adding packages initially and when adding things in the future...sneakernet
 is so old
 school. ;-)

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Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production

2008-10-24 Thread Matthew Polashek


Sean Darby wrote:
 However, I do not know if this device works with Linux/Alsa.

 Do you know which devices (PCI or external) do work with Linux/ALSA, or
 Ubuntu Studio in general (64-bit version if Studio has a 64-bit
 version)?
   

There is a list of devices on the alsa website.

 In addition to my multiple PCI cards and USB interfaces, I have an
 Alesis 1622 mixer, and a TOA 10 channel rack mounted mixer.

 What do you use the 2 mixers for? More channels or are they somehow
 connected to each other for another (additional) function?

 I can then mix, eq, and record my outboard synths, drum machine, and
 bass in one shot with a mixer output going into a Behringer UA202.

 What is the UA202? I couldn't find it from a search.

 I'm guessing I'll need to do a raw recording of the separate instruments
 into one program and do my editing in another program? (I'd like to
 learn how to use all the Ubuntu Studio audio programs, I'm still
 relatively new to ubustu.)

 Do you know of a good Yamaha or Mackie mixer that is around the $100
   
I would be very careful about buying inexpensive mixers.  The sacrifice 
is often made in Mic Pres and as my goof friend in NYC told me after 
doing a session for David Sanborn, your recording sounds is all in the pres.
 range or would you advise getting something in a higher price range?
   


 Do you know of any less expensive alternatives to the E-MU 1616M?

 Thank you!



   


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Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production

2008-10-24 Thread Matthew Polashek


Sean Darby wrote:
 Hi Matt,

 I know you were addressing your message (below) to the other Sean,
 though I am curious about some of the things you mentioned.

 Do you know what equipment definitely does work with Ubuntu Studio? Or
 is there a website that lists what does work?

 Does USB normally present latency issues with audio/alsa?
   
Hi!

It has been my experience, using a M-Audio MobilePre and an Event EZBus 
that there are latency problems with USB audio drivers for Linux.  
(Xruns at low latency)

 What would be a better alternative to USB?
   

PCI seems to be the most solid most of the time.  M-Audio and RME are 
the most well supported, but EMU is right behind I believe.

 Some people have discouraged the use of firewire, though I'm not sure
 why.
   

Firewire audio drivers are not well developed and the hardware 
manufactures have not been forthcoming with assistance.

 You mentioned RME, some others have too, what would be a particular
 model/item by RME that would be worth getting?
   

The best IMHO is the RME Hammerfall series.  The 9652 is pretty great 
and really well supported in Linux by the manufacturer.  An RME card 
with an Apogee clock and A/D with a True Systems Mic pre is a pretty 
common find in a studio these days.

 You said RME PCI, is it just a sound card? Or is there an external
 device with it?
   

There are RME interfaces with Breakout boxes and without.  The Multiface 
and DIGIface are good as well as the hammerfall PCI stuff.

 Thank you!


 On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 18:47 -0400, Matthew Polashek wrote:
   
 Hi Sean-

 I bought a Multimix 8 for a friend of mine and it works fine.  The pre's 
 are a little crisp, but it's not terrible.  I can do a test tomorrow and 
 see how it is with ubuntu studio and a Dell D510, but I have a strong 
 feeling there will be latency issues as there normally are with USB 
 audio and Alsa.

 I might suggest that you craigslist or ebay all your usb/pci/out stuff 
 and get an RME pci with the resulting cash.  Keep the 1622.

 Matt

 Sean Edwards wrote:
 
 zZounds has an Alesis MultiMix 8 USB mixer new for $159US, and factory 
 re-sealed for $135US.

 http://www.zzounds.com/item--ALEMULTIMIX8USB

 However, I do not know if this device works with Linux/Alsa.

 In addition to my multiple PCI cards and USB interfaces, I have an Alesis 
 1622 mixer, and a TOA 10 channel rack mounted mixer.  I can then mix, eq, 
 and record my outboard synths, drum machine, and bass in one shot with a 
 mixer output going into a Behringer UA202.

 If I want to record individual tracks simultaneously, I have 3 stereo/6 
 mono inputs with the pci sound cards, 2 USB inputs with the UA202, 1 
 stereo/2 mono inputs with the AC'97 (only if absolutely necessary), and the 
 guitar USB interface with the Behringer UCG102.  That's a total of 11 input 
 channels.  Once the project is captured in Rosegarden or ecasound, I can 
 manipulate each track.  However, I never record all 11 channels at the same 
 time.

 -=Sean Edwards=-

 ---

 Does anybody know of a decent, probably small, Yamaha or Mackie mixer
 (that connects to computers) that is close to the $100 price tag?

 If there is a board that can either USB or firewire into the computer,
 then would I still need something like the EMU 1616M?

 Is there a less expensive variation of the EMU 1616M available?



   

   
   
 


   


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Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production

2008-10-24 Thread Matthew Polashek


Sean Darby wrote:
 There is only so much to say.  Go Intel where you can.  For sound,
 
 make
   
 sure it is supported by alsa and ffado.  You should already have the links.
 
 What would be some good internal and external hardware/devices to use
 with a make-shift/budget home recording studio?

   
 I am not much help here.  I took the plunge and left the budget gear behind.
 


 I'm considering a budget of $100 to $1,500. I know that's a huge range
 low to high though I'm hoping to go as low as possible for good quality
 recording, yet I understand that in some cases I might just have to bite
 the bullet and get something that's more $$$. :-/ :-\

 How do I know if the stuff supports alsa and ffado before I buy it?

 What links are you referring to that you said I should already have?

 Thank you!



   
FYI, this is what I'm doing for a machine.

Intel BOXDG45FC Mini ITX Intel Motherboard1291129
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
1691169
Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory
28.99257.98
SAMSUNG Slim 8X DVD±R DVD Burner Black EIDE/ATAPI Model SN-S082H
45.99145.99
StarTech PCI-Express 1x Left Slot Riser Card Model PCIE1RIS
16.99116.99
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB 3.5 SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
54.992109.98
Morex 7677 1U Mini-ITX Rackmount w/200W ATX Power Supply1
189.991189.99
CoolJag OAK-7 1U Server CPU Cooler - Socket 77532132
   
sub total750.93




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Re: Ubuntu-Studio-users Digest, Vol 18, Issue 42

2008-10-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The PC I'm talking about is a Dell XPS with nvidia and intel 3954 wireless.

It came from Dell with Ubuntu 8.0.4. All was fine until I started to add
the UbuntuStudio packages, primarily -rt kernel.

While there is lots of info on the web it is not necessarily current or
comprehensive. Thus one source says you need to install the backpatch to
the rt to get the wireless to work and another says 8.0.4 handles it.

At this point I have kernels in /boot that I certainly don't want, probably
don't need, and have little clue as to what they have munged into them.

At this point I'm thinking of wiping the disk and starting from scratch
with the dvd of UbuntuStudio.

Mac


Original Message:
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From: Matthew Polashek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:05:45 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: Ubuntu-Studio-users Digest, Vol 18, Issue 42


Eh, I guess if you have hardware that has lots of tough to install 
drivers. My Dell D510 has been cool after all updates so far.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jaska said: 

   
 Just a thought, but if you can, you might give some thought for
separating
 
 the
   
 music production workstation from everyday desktop use. Install, and pull
 
 the
   
 network plug. Keeping it out from network pretty much keeps it from being
 vulnerable to the cruel surrounding world. No need for updates -- no
 
 breakage.

   
 If you have a spare machine for desktop use, that is.
 

 Yes, this is a great idea and my plan is to do just that. But, the network
 (wireless is my current sticking point, though previously it was the
nvidia
 stuff) is handy when
 adding packages initially and when adding things in the
future...sneakernet
 is so old
 school. ;-)

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Mackie 802-VLZ3 and comparing 3 mics.

2008-10-24 Thread Sean Darby
Hello,

Does anybody know how Ubuntu Studio (64-bit), 64 Studio, or Linux/Unix
in general handles the Mackie 802-VLZ3 mixer?

I believe someone on this list mentioned the AT2020. Does anybody know
how these 3 mics compare?

+ Audio Technica AT2020
+ Samson C01
+ Samson C03

Thank you!

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Re: Mackie 802-VLZ3 and comparing 3 mics.

2008-10-24 Thread Matthew Polashek


Sean Darby wrote:
 Hello,

 Does anybody know how Ubuntu Studio (64-bit), 64 Studio, or Linux/Unix
 in general handles the Mackie 802-VLZ3 mixer?

   

the 802 is an analog mixer so I'm not sure what you mean with this.  
Please clarify.

 I believe someone on this list mentioned the AT2020. Does anybody know
 how these 3 mics compare?

 + Audio Technica AT2020
 + Samson C01
 + Samson C03

   

I love the 2020.  I've had bad experiences with Samson in the past, but 
I haven't tried their stuff lately.

 Thank you!

 Sean Darby



   

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