Audio Production Laptop
There are many users out there with low budgets, like me trying ubuntu studio because they are looking for alternatives from MS-dependency and for them Apple-products even more are out of range. I'm lucky with a nexoc osiris s620ii, a barebone, my configuration is Intel cpu medium speed dualcore and chipsets, FW, 4G RAM, 320 G HD, ~700€ wto OS in Germany 9/08. Edirol FW101 as sound interface. I'm messing around with live-played sw-synths, wine, wineasio, reaper, vst, especially korg MS20 legacy, synchronous instrument and voice recording. For low latency audio performance this machine is much better then an other notebook with amd64x2 processor, nvidia chipset and 3d graphics. This notebook solution is for life performance and recording, so it has to be small, light weighted and needs no 3d-gamer-screen. For more elaborated production and composition you either will use stationary machines with >20" screens. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Audacity crash
Hello: I installed ubuntu studio and started to work with audacity in a project of music compilation with a duration of about 45 minutes. Near the end it crashes, it keeps consuming my CPU and apparently doing nothing. So i clicked the close window button and asked me to save the proyect. Yes i said... When i opened again i has orphaned files, select delete, and my compilation was destroyed :( only some parts of music with a lot of silences in place of what it supposed to be. I started all over and eventually with the same result. Running audacity in debian stable i been able to finish my work with no problems, so i guess the problem may be with the version of audacity of ubuntu studio. I did exactly the same steps on debian with no hungs. Just reporting, i got mad about loosing 3 hours or more.. Saludos, Juan Pablo. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: mac x pc
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sergio Bello wrote: > On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 13:14 -0500, Trevis wrote: > > I respect Apple's products, also: my complaint with Apple is that - in > my opinion - they took a lot from the open source community but they > didn't return much (CUPS apart, but it was in their interest). I have the same problem with Apple. FreeBSD for example did not get a lot return for essentially providing the kernel that OSX runs on. To me it highlights Apples nature to not give back, as well as the weakness of the BSD style licences. Whoa, is that two flame war topics in one post (even more impressive, I think I managed to squeeze them both into the same sentence)? :) I think it is time I went to bed, this cold medication must be affecting my judgement. Just for the record though, I have owned both PCs and Macs (and one Sun) machines. The last Mac that I owned was from the 1st generation of OSX. Seriously this is the second worst laptop I have ever owned (HP has that one sewn up). The Mac people I know simply can not listen to reason, and there is really no point trying to convince them. Similar to how I feel about Linux, except that I can admit that our world has its faults and drawbacks. In this spirit, I leave you with this: http://www.deadtroll.com/video/ossuckscable.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJLc1uwRXgH3rKGfMRAsaCAKCWA/uFI5tQyGgJocGAW+2h1PnphwCgq9wI HkK7ZI3M1pQm+Luyqh9ltVc= =ZlxL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
mandatory OS license (was: mac x pc (was: Audio Production Laptop))
Em Qua, 2008-11-26 às 19:33 +0100, Sergio Bello escreveu: > On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 13:14 -0500, Trevis wrote: > > [SNIP] This leads me to another point... > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Sergio Bello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >> I can't speak for other countries, but here in Italy one can have a > > >> refund if he/she won't oem windows installed on the pc. > > >> > > >> The same is not true for macs, i suspect... > > >> > > >> Sergio > > >> > > > > I believe this is so in the US where AFAIK most manufacturers will > > send a refund if you refuse the EULA upon first startup of the > > computer. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong on that though, I'd > > certainly like to know. > > > > I certainly know it's true in Italy (there was a strong debate about it, > and lots of court sentences), but not much people applies for a refund > (oem licenses are cheap). > I am 99.99% sure in EU it's true, also (EU antitrust showed no fear of > MS in more than one occasion ;). > About US, sorry but I don't know... > > As an aside, when I wrote "The same is not true for macs, i suspect..." > it was not my intention to be sarcastic and/or offensive with Karoliina. > I simply think she has some valid and some not so valid point. > > I respect Apple's products, also: my complaint with Apple is that - in > my opinion - they took a lot from the open source community but they > didn't return much (CUPS apart, but it was in their interest). > > Sergio > > -- > Sergio Bello - Software Architect > > Sintechno S.r.l. [www.sintechno.it] > > Via Dante, 188 > 26100 - Cremona (ITALY) > > Phone 0372 22942 > Fax 0372 565287 > Mobile 329 9499343 > EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > There are only 10 types of people in the world: > those who understand binary, and those who don't... Here in Brazil we have lots of computers and laptops coming with Linux. This was due to a governmental policy to try to make computers cheaper and thus more accessible. Unfortunately, I don't think this is true for state-of-the-art computers. But, AFAIK, the Brazilian law grants the right of not having to buy different products together (like having to buy the OS license when you buy the hardware), and therefor I believe we can have a refund or at least buy "clean" hardware. Cheers, Pietro -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [Bulk] Re: mac x pc (was: Audio Production Laptop)
Em Qua, 2008-11-26 às 10:47 -0500, Christopher Stamper escreveu: > This is serious flamebait... ;-) Yes, you're right. And there's nothing more pointless than a dicsussion like this here. Forgive me, please. Maybe it would be more useful to see some comparisons on the performance of Ubuntu Studio and/or other Linux audio distros on mac, dell, intel and other brands of laptops with similar configurations or price ranges. Has anyone ever done tests like these? Once again forgive me if I started a flamewar or offended someone. It was not my intention. Cheers, Pietro -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: mac x pc (was: Audio Production Laptop)
On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 13:14 -0500, Trevis wrote: > [SNIP] This leads me to another point... > > > > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Sergio Bello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> I can't speak for other countries, but here in Italy one can have a > >> refund if he/she won't oem windows installed on the pc. > >> > >> The same is not true for macs, i suspect... > >> > >> Sergio > >> > > I believe this is so in the US where AFAIK most manufacturers will > send a refund if you refuse the EULA upon first startup of the > computer. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong on that though, I'd > certainly like to know. > I certainly know it's true in Italy (there was a strong debate about it, and lots of court sentences), but not much people applies for a refund (oem licenses are cheap). I am 99.99% sure in EU it's true, also (EU antitrust showed no fear of MS in more than one occasion ;). About US, sorry but I don't know... As an aside, when I wrote "The same is not true for macs, i suspect..." it was not my intention to be sarcastic and/or offensive with Karoliina. I simply think she has some valid and some not so valid point. I respect Apple's products, also: my complaint with Apple is that - in my opinion - they took a lot from the open source community but they didn't return much (CUPS apart, but it was in their interest). Sergio -- Sergio Bello - Software Architect Sintechno S.r.l. [www.sintechno.it] Via Dante, 188 26100 - Cremona (ITALY) Phone 0372 22942 Fax 0372 565287 Mobile 329 9499343 EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't... -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: mac x pc (was: Audio Production Laptop)
> I believe this is so in the US where AFAIK most manufacturers will > send a refund if you refuse the EULA upon first startup of the > computer. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong on that though, I'd > certainly like to know. I think you're sorta right. Never tried it, but I'm guessing that when it's all said and done, it's not worth it. I'm imagining hours of customer service calls, with dumb/unhelpful sales reps who have no clue what you are talking about. Most of us know how that is... In short, I think it's legally possible. But I doubt you could actually get a refund, without wasting a few days on the phone. -- Christopher Stamper Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: mac x pc (was: Audio Production Laptop)
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Eric Hedekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Eric The Fireman has come to put out this flamewar!! > > I think it's safe to say that Karoliina is typing from her heart rather than > her head when she makes statements like: > > The internal audio hardware is pretty good, at least on MacOSX side there is > no such thing as latency in the Logic Studio (Logic Pro 8). I have not > tested Ubuntu Studio with it... > > I'd be quite impressed to hear what type of phantom power or mic preamps the > internal audiocard on a mac gives her, nevermind any actual latency tests; > and since she seems to be the only one touting the 'Mac is great' banner, I > hereby declare this war to be won by the PC supporters (wait aren't mac's > just heavily marketed PCs?). Anyways, with her constant linking to the mac > site in her original posts and the fact that she recommended a macbook that > doesn't have firewire (as the op was wanting multiple firewire ports), I'm > starting to suspect she has some affilliation with the company - or maybe > she's just been brainwashed. I realize I'm starting to insult Karoliina so > I'll stop myself and offer a quick aplogy for any innacurate presumptions or > implications I have made in this or any other replies to you. Anyway, to > summarize, generic PCs win this round - lets stop this pointless battle; > just go buy what you think is worth your money. > > -Eric The Fireman > You know, you are quite right. The new macbooks have shown that apple does not want to target any kind of audio/video user with those machines. Apple computers are great, if you like the OS, but this is not an apple ML. For linux, it would seem that "generic" (or rather non-apple branded) computers would seem better. Part of the price for a macbook is in the OS and it would seem that on that specific model (the most popular too, gee what a surprise) the price for the OS compared to the hardware is higher. This leads me to another point... > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Sergio Bello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I can't speak for other countries, but here in Italy one can have a >> refund if he/she won't oem windows installed on the pc. >> >> The same is not true for macs, i suspect... >> >> Sergio >> I believe this is so in the US where AFAIK most manufacturers will send a refund if you refuse the EULA upon first startup of the computer. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong on that though, I'd certainly like to know. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: mac x pc (was: Audio Production Laptop)
Eric The Fireman has come to put out this flamewar!! I think it's safe to say that Karoliina is typing from her heart rather than her head when she makes statements like: The internal audio hardware is pretty good, at least on MacOSX side there is no such thing as latency in the Logic Studio (Logic Pro 8). I have not tested Ubuntu Studio with it... I'd be quite impressed to hear what type of phantom power or mic preamps the internal audiocard on a mac gives her, nevermind any actual latency tests; and since she seems to be the only one touting the 'Mac is great' banner, I hereby declare this war to be won by the PC supporters (wait aren't mac's just heavily marketed PCs?). Anyways, with her constant linking to the mac site in her original posts and the fact that she recommended a macbook that doesn't have firewire (as the op was wanting multiple firewire ports), I'm starting to suspect she has some affilliation with the company - or maybe she's just been brainwashed. I realize I'm starting to insult Karoliina so I'll stop myself and offer a quick aplogy for any innacurate presumptions or implications I have made in this or any other replies to you. Anyway, to summarize, generic PCs win this round - lets stop this pointless battle; just go buy what you think is worth your money. -Eric The Fireman On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Sergio Bello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't speak for other countries, but here in Italy one can have a > refund if he/she won't oem windows installed on the pc. > > The same is not true for macs, i suspect... > > Sergio > > On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 10:47 -0500, Christopher Stamper wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Pietro Bergamo > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It is lesser evil to pay the money to Apple, that > > > pretty much avoids MS getting funded with Linux laptops > > which > > > otherwise forcefully come with Windows installed even if the > > customer > > > does not want that. > > > > > > Karoliina > > > > > > > Why so? Aren't they both just corporations seeking their > > profits? Why > > would it be more or less evil to give your money to any of > > them? I don't > > want to sound rude, but AFAIK you can't buy Linux macbook, can > > you? > > You're forced to swallow Mac OS, even if you don't want > > to. :^) > > > > This is serious flamebait... ;-) > > > > Anyway, I have to agree with you. If you're buying a computer to prove > > something, then by all means do not get anything that runs mac or > > windows. > > > > Seriously, though - I buy a computer because I wanted that particular > > machine. Not to support a company (If you're concerned about > > supporting some 'evil' company, then don't get a mac: the *entire* > > purchase goes to the company, rather than just the OS price). I think > > it's dumb to try to 'boycott' a company, just because they are trying > > to make money for themselves. > > > > Sure, it's a waste of money to buy an OS bundled, if you're not going > > to use it. But really, the OEM price of the OS is very, _very_ small. > > > > Buying a computer just because of some silly Apple logo is another > > story, though... :-) > > > > > > -- > > Christopher Stamper > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg > > gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r > > Skype: cdstamper > -- > Sergio Bello - Software Architect > > Sintechno S.r.l. [www.sintechno.it] > > Via Dante, 188 > 26100 - Cremona (ITALY) > > Phone 0372 22942 > Fax 0372 565287 > Mobile 329 9499343 > EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > There are only 10 types of people in the world: > those who understand binary, and those who don't... > > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > -- ___ http://greyrockstudio.blogspot.com -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: mac x pc (was: Audio Production Laptop)
I can't speak for other countries, but here in Italy one can have a refund if he/she won't oem windows installed on the pc. The same is not true for macs, i suspect... Sergio On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 10:47 -0500, Christopher Stamper wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Pietro Bergamo > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It is lesser evil to pay the money to Apple, that > > pretty much avoids MS getting funded with Linux laptops > which > > otherwise forcefully come with Windows installed even if the > customer > > does not want that. > > > > Karoliina > > > > Why so? Aren't they both just corporations seeking their > profits? Why > would it be more or less evil to give your money to any of > them? I don't > want to sound rude, but AFAIK you can't buy Linux macbook, can > you? > You're forced to swallow Mac OS, even if you don't want > to. :^) > > This is serious flamebait... ;-) > > Anyway, I have to agree with you. If you're buying a computer to prove > something, then by all means do not get anything that runs mac or > windows. > > Seriously, though - I buy a computer because I wanted that particular > machine. Not to support a company (If you're concerned about > supporting some 'evil' company, then don't get a mac: the *entire* > purchase goes to the company, rather than just the OS price). I think > it's dumb to try to 'boycott' a company, just because they are trying > to make money for themselves. > > Sure, it's a waste of money to buy an OS bundled, if you're not going > to use it. But really, the OEM price of the OS is very, _very_ small. > > Buying a computer just because of some silly Apple logo is another > story, though... :-) > > > -- > Christopher Stamper > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg > gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r > Skype: cdstamper -- Sergio Bello - Software Architect Sintechno S.r.l. [www.sintechno.it] Via Dante, 188 26100 - Cremona (ITALY) Phone 0372 22942 Fax 0372 565287 Mobile 329 9499343 EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't... -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: mac x pc (was: Audio Production Laptop)
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Pietro Bergamo <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > It is lesser evil to pay the money to Apple, that > > pretty much avoids MS getting funded with Linux laptops which > > otherwise forcefully come with Windows installed even if the customer > > does not want that. > > > > Karoliina > > > > Why so? Aren't they both just corporations seeking their profits? Why > would it be more or less evil to give your money to any of them? I don't > want to sound rude, but AFAIK you can't buy Linux macbook, can you? > You're forced to swallow Mac OS, even if you don't want to. :^) This is serious flamebait... ;-) Anyway, I have to agree with you. If you're buying a computer to prove something, then by all means do not get anything that runs mac or windows. Seriously, though - I buy a computer because I wanted that particular machine. Not to support a company (If you're concerned about supporting some 'evil' company, then don't get a mac: the *entire* purchase goes to the company, rather than just the OS price). I think it's dumb to try to 'boycott' a company, just because they are trying to make money for themselves. Sure, it's a waste of money to buy an OS bundled, if you're not going to use it. But really, the OEM price of the OS is very, _very_ small. Buying a computer just because of some silly Apple logo is another story, though... :-) -- Christopher Stamper Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
mac x pc (was: Audio Production Laptop)
> It is lesser evil to pay the money to Apple, that > pretty much avoids MS getting funded with Linux laptops which > otherwise forcefully come with Windows installed even if the customer > does not want that. > > Karoliina > Why so? Aren't they both just corporations seeking their profits? Why would it be more or less evil to give your money to any of them? I don't want to sound rude, but AFAIK you can't buy Linux macbook, can you? You're forced to swallow Mac OS, even if you don't want to. :^) Pietro -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
mac x pc (was: Audio Production Laptop)
> It is lesser evil to pay the money to Apple, that > pretty much avoids MS getting funded with Linux laptops which > otherwise forcefully come with Windows installed even if the customer > does not want that. > > Karoliina > Why so? Aren't they both just corporations seeking their profits? Why would it be more or less evil to give your money to any of them? I don't want to sound rude, but AFAIK you can't buy Linux macbook, can you? You're forced to swallow Mac OS, even if you don't want to. :^) Pietro -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Audio Production Laptop
> Generalizations tend to be innaccurate. Certainly Dell has their low > cost lines (the Inspiron), but their Latitude lines are awesome. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have one Latitude D600 on my table and I never liked it. I have stopped using it (replaced it with Thinkpad T61p which is from another planet in comparison, still not as nice as a Mac, but as nice as a PC gets). Another huge downside with the both mentioned is that Bill Gates got some additional funding for nothing since the laptops came with Windows installed despite I do not care about Windows. It is lesser evil to pay the money to Apple, that pretty much avoids MS getting funded with Linux laptops which otherwise forcefully come with Windows installed even if the customer does not want that. Karoliina -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: USB or Firewire Audio Recording Interface?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gregory Boehnlein schrieb: > > Anyone have any experience with the Ederol converters? quite okayish yet not as hi-end as the preamps in the Presonus Plus: works out of the box with Linux > > 1. Tascam US 122 - $30 Just great - get it, if you can. Set Jackd with 3 periods/buffer, start, have fun ;-) HZN -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJLSyi1Aecwva1SWMRAvzOAJ9GfsRICiS4NBpk8bAk54itu1b8bgCfdwN9 8XK8uwhE6kotX70YGWl24qM= =NQlC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
