Re: Jaunty RT
We had this discussion a while ago about the lack of rt kernel in Intrepid. There were varying views, but a very general consensus seemd to reach a conclusion of If it ain't broke... Sticking with Hardy, as tempting as new packages may seem, was a shared view among a decent percentage of views. But we had plenty of warning, and a decent explanation on why. Cory also expressed a real view of the state at the time, and didn't try to lead us into uncertain territory with any speculation It's my guess here that the changes in the vanilla kernel that resulted in questionable midi performance are ongoing, and it's quite likely the UBStudio team are as much in the dark as we are on the current state of the vanilla kernel, and when it's likely to settle into an RT capable and useable state. (not to mention the required standards for building in the ubuntu environment) Taking a step back here, and trying to view the wider picture, we already have a highly useable distro version in Hardy, and if you're inclined, in Gutsy (Which proved to highly stable a worked a treat.. We know the state of Intrepid, and why, and also understand that Jaunty may also offer challenges as well, with all of us waiting for news on the vanilla kernel state. Cory also explained that the jump in Ubuntu RT preparation between Hardy (2.6.24.xxx) and a 'new' RT kernel would be a lot more work than usual due to new features, and rebuilding added to any new kernel (I don't pretend to understand what they are, or why it's so different, i'm taking Cory's words here, and he's been honest with us in the past), and would occupy a formidable amount of time for the Ubuntu RT kernel dev, who does this for us, for free, as in decent cognac. (or beer, if that's your particular imbibable refreshment) I'm as keen as anyone else to enjoy the new features being added to the apps i use as much as any of you, and have enjoyed testing them in anticipation of a future UBStudio that returns to an RT configuration we know, and enjoy using. But i'm ever mindful, and appreciative, of the considerable work that goes into a project like UBStudio, from fellow human beings who apply their considerable skills for OUR benefit. Yes, i use linux for a living, and no, staying on a highly stable Hardy, with some source packages i've ventured to install, hasn't hurt me at all. Quite the contrary, i've increased my pitifully poor knowledge of all things linux, in general. (To slightly less pitiful) Can i 'respectfully' suggest (A clumsy attempt at diplomacy here...), in the interim period between Ubuntu RT kernel nirvanas, that others might like to take advantage of this lull in the breakneck development whirlwind that is the ever mighty Linux Audio world and use the time writing music instead? :) 2 roubles worth from a ordinary linux audio user who knows he can't code, and is reliant on the continued good will, superb craftsmanship, endless patience, and unfailing generosity of others to realise musical ambitions. Alex the linux crash test dummy Stone. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:14 PM, sue...@empire.net sue...@empire.netwrote: Original Message: - From: Gustin Johnson gus...@echostar.ca Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:18:55 -0700 To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Jaunty RT -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christopher Stamper wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Gustin Johnson gus...@echostar.ca mailto:gus...@echostar.ca wrote: So, looking forward: will we be able to switch to 9.04? In other words, will 9.04 have RT support, or will we still be stuck with 8.04? I have RT in 8.10. All that it required was building my own kernel (a 2.6.28), so you are not stuck with 8.04 right now if you do not want to be. People who don't want to bother compiling a kernel are 'stuck'; anyway, it's easier to stay with 8.04. You mean to say that people who *choose* not to investigate their options are stuck. You are only stuck if you want to be. stuck could mean many things. Building this and building that is rarely without time consuming issues. UX's have always been like uncle on the Jackie Chan cartoon: ...ah...one more thing If the goal of having Ubuntu Studio is to use it as a tool to do billable work, then staying with a known working tool rather than exploring options, and choosing to be stuck is the prudent business decision. mail2web.com - Microsoft(R) Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
Re: Jaunty RT
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Gustin Johnson gus...@echostar.ca mailto:gus...@echostar.ca wrote: So, looking forward: will we be able to switch to 9.04? In other words, will 9.04 have RT support, or will we still be stuck with 8.04? I have RT in 8.10. All that it required was building my own kernel (a 2.6.28), so you are not stuck with 8.04 right now if you do not want to be. People who don't want to bother compiling a kernel are 'stuck'; anyway, it's easier to stay with 8.04. You mean to say that people who *choose* not to investigate their options are stuck. You are only stuck if you want to be. stuck could mean many things. Building this and building that is rarely without time consuming issues. UX's have always been like uncle on the Jackie Chan cartoon: ...ah...one more thing If the goal of having Ubuntu Studio is to use it as a tool to do billable work, then staying with a known working tool rather than exploring options, and choosing to be stuck is the prudent business decision. I think part of it may be that they are waiting for the next kernel (2.6.29) because it may contain support for btrfs. Just a guess. Btrfs is supposed to seek faster anyway, than ext3, or whatever we've got. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Jaunty RT
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:49 AM, alex stone compos...@gmail.com wrote: We had this discussion a while ago about the lack of rt kernel in Intrepid. There were varying views, but a very general consensus seemd to reach a conclusion of If it ain't broke... Sticking with Hardy, as tempting as new packages may seem, was a shared view among a decent percentage of views. But we had plenty of warning, and a decent explanation on why. Cory also expressed a real view of the state at the time, and didn't try to lead us into uncertain territory with any speculation Taking a step back here, and trying to view the wider picture, we already have a highly useable distro version in Hardy, and if you're inclined, in Gutsy I totally agree with you. But still, there will come a point when Hardy is just 'too old' to use (you have the right to disagree). Which is why I was wondering when we'll be able to upgrade. [I know that I could upgrade now if i wanted to compile a kernel, and spend a month debugging it] (Which proved to highly stable a worked a treat.. We know the state of Intrepid, and why, and also understand that Jaunty may also offer challenges as well, with all of us waiting for news on the vanilla kernel state. Cory also explained that the jump in Ubuntu RT preparation between Hardy (2.6.24.xxx) and a 'new' RT kernel would be a lot more work than usual due to new features, and rebuilding added to any new kernel (I don't pretend to understand what they are, or why it's so different, i'm taking Cory's words here, and he's been honest with us in the past), and would occupy a formidable amount of time for the Ubuntu RT kernel dev, who does this for us, for free, as in decent cognac. (or beer, if that's your particular imbibable refreshment) I'm as keen as anyone else to enjoy the new features being added to the apps i use as much as any of you, and have enjoyed testing them in anticipation of a future UBStudio that returns to an RT configuration we know, and enjoy using. But i'm ever mindful, and appreciative, of the considerable work that goes into a project like UBStudio, from fellow human beings who apply their considerable skills for OUR benefit. Agreed. Many thanks to all the UStudio Team! -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Jaunty RT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christopher Stamper wrote: snip The original question was: will 9.04 have a RT kernel? I did some googling, but couldn't find any solid answer. Probably because there is no certain answer as yet. Having said that, since I was able to get RT support myself (ie. there was no special magic or skillset involved) in Intrepid, I would say the chances are good that 9.04 will have an RT kernel. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkl3a1UACgkQwRXgH3rKGfMbKgCfSwwycshcI911txfXluFFBcms uQwAniRImKpdo+eo01X18dT1Y6SX/lR2 =mqsf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Jaunty RT
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Gustin Johnson gus...@echostar.ca wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christopher Stamper wrote: snip The original question was: will 9.04 have a RT kernel? I did some googling, but couldn't find any solid answer. Probably because there is no certain answer as yet. Having said that, since I was able to get RT support myself (ie. there was no special magic or skillset involved) in Intrepid, I would say the chances are good that 9.04 will have an RT kernel. Sounds reasonable enough. Thanks! -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
