Re: Getting M-Audio Delta 66 working

2009-03-12 Thread DennisMail
 I've never been able to get audacity to work right on my machine using a
 Delta 1010lt.

Okay, but I tried to get an Output with Audacious, with mp123, with 
mpg123-alsa... Nothing, everytime the same result: The level-meters show a 
signal, but nothing is coming out of speakers...

Does anyone have an idea?

Background: I can send back the soundcard if it does not work. So already now 
the second question: If the M-Audio 66 is not the only card you would suggest, 
what else may I buy and works under Linux? I know that you certainly will 
support me here to get this working, but from my point of view, it does not 
really help me nor do all of you have the time to look what's wrong on my 
system... I'd prefer to et it working, yes, but if there is another card for 
recording that works out of the box on ubuntu studio, well, then the solution 
is quite near!

Regards,
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Re: Getting M-Audio Delta 66 working

2009-03-12 Thread Daniel Joshua Worth
In envy24control you need to make sure that the ADC's and DAC's are turned
up, that the signal is being routed to pcm outs, that your clock is set to a
reasonable setting. (I once accidentally set my clock to sync to spdif and
couldn't change the clock settings till I plugged in a digital source), and
that you don't have any of the channels muted in the mixer. Also go to the
command line and type in alsa-mixer and check that your levels are turned up
there as well.
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Re: Getting M-Audio Delta 66 working

2009-03-12 Thread alex stone
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:22 AM, dennism...@gmx.net wrote:

  I've never been able to get audacity to work right on my machine using a
  Delta 1010lt.

 Okay, but I tried to get an Output with Audacious, with mp123, with
 mpg123-alsa... Nothing, everytime the same result: The level-meters show a
 signal, but nothing is coming out of speakers...

 Does anyone have an idea?

 Background: I can send back the soundcard if it does not work. So already
 now the second question: If the M-Audio 66 is not the only card you would
 suggest, what else may I buy and works under Linux? I know that you
 certainly will support me here to get this working, but from my point of
 view, it does not really help me nor do all of you have the time to look
 what's wrong on my system... I'd prefer to et it working, yes, but if there
 is another card for recording that works out of the box on ubuntu studio,
 well, then the solution is quite near!

 Regards,
 Dennis
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Dennis,
Personally, i wouldn't send back your card. The M-audio hardware has stable
and reliable drivers (modules) in linux, and there's plenty of users who
have much success with them, me included. (Mine's a Delta 44, but the
Ice1712 module is still the same)

The fact you're getting a signal in Envy24 is a good sign. So follow the
signal. Up to Envy24, you have success, as the meters show. Daniel quite
rightly suggested you check your ADCs and DACs. Do so, and put them up to a
reasonable level. Next, if you're getting a signal in the digital mixer
strip, that's good too, it means the signal is getting that far.

In the patchbay/router tab of Envy 24, make sure you have ticked:

PCM Out 1, PCM Out 2, etc..

And in the Analog Volume tab, lift the levels to something reasonable that
won't be too soft to hear, or conversly, frighten the neighbours. 90 would
probably do here to begin with.
Try your sound again.

If successful, excellent.
If not, read on..

So to a test app. Audacity is't a good choice.

If you're on UBStudio (and i assume this from the list heading), then i
suggest you download through synpatic, a simple synth to test with. When i
first started figuring out how to use Linux Audio, i used an app call
Hexter. It's a simple DX7 emulator, and possesses single audio out and midi
in, and importantly, gives you an immediate response, be it success or
temporary failure, because it's a synth, and doesn't require extra sound
libraries or soundfonts.

So how do you hook your midi keyboard into Hexter?

At kernel level, you'll find Alsa, and your ice1712 module is inserted
there.

But a level above that is the mighty Jack, a powerful 'Hub' that enables you
have several apps, or 'clients' working together at the same time. Jack
intereacts with Alsa using a 'backend', which is the software sound device
of your choice, be it Alsa, oss, Ffado, Freebob, or dummy.
So the next step is to install, from Synaptic, Jackd, and Qjackctl. This
will give you not only the Jack Hub, or Server, as it's called, but a user
interface in the form of Qjackctl (Also known as Jack Control).

Once you've done this, open Qjackctl, and go to setup.

In the setup window, you'll find some settings on the right, starting from
near the top, which is the driver selection. As you've already had success
with an Alsa/Envy signal response, choose Alsa.

Next, you'll see a drop down box marked Interface. You can leave this as
default for now, provided you selected Alsa as the sound weapon of choice.

Then go down to Audio. Here you 'll see three dropdown options, Duplex,
Capture, and Playback. For now, leave this on duplex.

Next, you'll see input device, and output device, These are, by default, set
on, erm, default. With the arrow to the right of each box check the device.
Mine has Delta 44 as hw:0, and Ice1712 as hw:0.0. If this is the case with
you, then leave these as default, for now.

Now go to the middle of the setup window, and find Frames/Period (leave the
priority selection alone for now.)
We'll try a relaxed setting first of 1024.

Then sample rate. Check in the Envy24 hardware settings tab, for which
sample rate you have ticked. (Mine is 44100, but many users run with 48000,
so if you hav either of these, it's ok)

Back to the Qjackctl setup window.

Set the samplerate to that which matches your Envy hardware setting. (In my
case it's 44100)

Next, Periods/Buffer. Set this to a safe 3.

Next settings are Port Maximum, and Timeout. You can leave the Port Max as
is, but change the Timeout to 2000, as this will give your system some
'slack' to work with.

Then go to Start Delay, and make this 2secs, if it isn't already.

Lastly, go to the bottom left corner of the setup window, and choose a midi

Re: Getting M-Audio Delta 66 working

2009-03-12 Thread DennisMail
Hi all,

 Personally, i wouldn't send back your card. The M-audio hardware has
 stable
 and reliable drivers (modules) in linux, and there's plenty of users who
 have much success with them, me included. (Mine's a Delta 44, but the
 Ice1712 module is still the same)

So sounds good... I keep on hoping, but right now, I am close to give up...
 
 The fact you're getting a signal in Envy24 is a good sign. So follow the
 signal. Up to Envy24, you have success, as the meters show. Daniel quite
 rightly suggested you check your ADCs and DACs. Do so, and put them up to
 a
 reasonable level. Next, if you're getting a signal in the digital mixer
 strip, that's good too, it means the signal is getting that far.
 
 In the patchbay/router tab of Envy 24, make sure you have ticked:
 
 PCM Out 1, PCM Out 2, etc..

I checked this, all options on the top are activated.
 
 And in the Analog Volume tab, lift the levels to something reasonable that
 won't be too soft to hear, or conversly, frighten the neighbours. 90 would
 probably do here to begin with.
 Try your sound again.

I did this, too...
 
 If successful, excellent.

No, unfortunately, not. Here a few questions: What are your settings in the 
system setup (where you can select standard devices for playback of sound, 
videos etc)?

Additionally, I tried to  use alsamixer, but no matter what I did - no output.

 So to a test app. Audacity is't a good choice.

What I did is to play the mp3-file with  both mpg123 and mpg123-alsa. No 
sound... :(

 If you're on UBStudio (and i assume this from the list heading), then i
 suggest you download through synpatic, a simple synth to test with. When i
 first started figuring out how to use Linux Audio, i used an app call
 Hexter. It's a simple DX7 emulator, and possesses single audio out and
 midi
 in, and importantly, gives you an immediate response, be it success or
 temporary failure, because it's a synth, and doesn't require extra sound
 libraries or soundfonts.

Well, I guess if I don't even get an mp3 file to play, I shouldn't start with 
any recording or playback software delivered with ubuntu studio...
 
 So how do you hook your midi keyboard into Hexter?

Not at all - because I do not own a midi keyboard till now. I only want to 
record my bass guitar. And, btw, I don't get any signal on the inputs as well 
shown in envy
 
 At kernel level, you'll find Alsa, and your ice1712 module is inserted
 there.

 $ lsmod | grep 1712
snd_ice171274336  2 
snd_ice17xx_ak4xxx  5888  1 snd_ice1712
snd_ak4xxx_adda10880  2 snd_ice1712,snd_ice17xx_ak4xxx
snd_cs8427 11904  1 snd_ice1712
snd_ac97_codec123992  1 snd_ice1712
snd_pcm93320  4 
snd_ice1712,snd_ac97_codec,snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm_oss
snd_i2c 7936  2 snd_ice1712,snd_cs8427
snd_mpu401_uart11392  1 snd_ice1712
snd71880  26 
snd_rtctimer,snd_ice1712,snd_ak4xxx_adda,snd_cs8427,snd_ac97_codec,snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,snd_pcm_oss,snd_hwdep,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_i2c,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device

So I guess this sould work?!?

 But a level above that is the mighty Jack, a powerful 'Hub' that enables
 you
 have several apps, or 'clients' working together at the same time. Jack
 intereacts with Alsa using a 'backend', which is the software sound device
 of your choice, be it Alsa, oss, Ffado, Freebob, or dummy.
 So the next step is to install, from Synaptic, Jackd, and Qjackctl. This
 will give you not only the Jack Hub, or Server, as it's called, but a user
 interface in the form of Qjackctl (Also known as Jack Control).

Well, jack comes afterwards. If I don't get any output right now, I won be 
successful with jack in any way, or? That's why I believe we first have to get 
sound output working at all and then go to jack - or am I wrong?
 
 p.s. Setting up audio/midi in linux in general isn't as difficult as it
 looks. It's just different, and requires a little thought and patience on
 the part of the user.
 And we've all been where you are now. :)

I really want to believe you - but if you see that all people owning the same 
soundcard as you do and they do get output through speakers while I don't... 
Well, I beginn to get crazy a little bit now.

But perhaps we find the cause? I really hope so.

Regards,
Dennis
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Re: Getting M-Audio Delta 66 working

2009-03-12 Thread Daniel Joshua Worth
One other thing. Is pulseaudio running. You might try typing 'killall
pulseaudio' in a terminal and then test again.
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Re: Getting M-Audio Delta 66 working

2009-03-12 Thread DennisMail
 One other thing. Is pulseaudio running. You might try typing 'killall
 pulseaudio' in a terminal and then test again.

The idea was good:

$ ps aux | grep pulse
michael   5904  0.0  0.4 140344  8552 ?Sl   18:15   0:00 
/usr/bin/pulseaudio --log-target=syslog
michael   5912  0.0  0.1  55680  2632 ?S18:15   0:00 
/usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse/gconf-helper
michael   6585  0.0  0.0   5176   864 pts/2S+   18:53   0:00 grep pulse

$ killall -9 pulseaudio 
$ ps aux | grep pulse
michael   6595  0.0  0.0   5172   852 pts/2S+   18:53   0:00 grep pulse

But... still no sound output... :(

Regards,
Dennis

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Re: Getting M-Audio Delta 66 working

2009-03-12 Thread alex stone
Dennis, i'm trying to think through what might be happening that we're not
seeing.

A quick question.

Have you increased the volume on the control in the desktop panel?

(Grasping for fruitful straws here.)

Alex.
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Re: Getting M-Audio Delta 66 working

2009-03-12 Thread Dennis Herber
 Dennis, i'm trying to think through what might be happening that we're not
 seeing.
 
 A quick question.
 
 Have you increased the volume on the control in the desktop panel?

Well, I know that this is some of the most ridiculous things that may happen, 
so yes: I did that before trying to play something.

What I still didn't get is all this connection between all the programs I am 
using here: Generally, I thought that programs like alsamixer and 
envy24control are controlling the same thing. And if I change a level of a 
fader in alsamixer, I see the same fader moving in envy.
What concerns the control in the desktop panel: This one generally also does 
that, or? Did I misunderstood here something completely?

Regards,
Dennis

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Re: Getting M-Audio Delta 66 working

2009-03-12 Thread DennisMail
 Can you check in Envy24 to see if your monitor inputs are unmuted?

They seem to be unmunted: They are light grey, not dark grey. But this leads us 
to another point: Should I see any level moving here? I don't think so, because 
on the monitor inputs I can control the 4 hardware inputs of the break out 
box plus the 2 spdif inputs, as far as I see. Or am I wrong?

Anyway, for today, I think I should switch my PC off, because I'm really 
getting desperate. I was thinking about what can be done about this and I just 
wanted to propose that if any of you would like to check this on my PC, I would 
be willing to give ssh access to it.

Regards,
Dennis


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Re: Getting M-Audio Delta 66 working

2009-03-12 Thread Asmo Koskinen
Dennis Herber kirjoitti:

 Did I misunderstood here something completely?

Today I have four Ubuntu (two stable versions and two Jaunty Alpha) in 
my main computer, even LTSP (ltsp.org) works on KVM with Pulseaudio. To 
me Delta 66 has always been real Plug 'n' Play soundcard - you remember 
time when everything was Plug 'n' Pray...

There is very old (2002) howto for Delta 66:

http://www.nue.tu-berlin.de/wer/batke/Download/delta66howto.pdf

Today you just put this soundcard it in and it works. Let's do something 
with that old howto. Do same in your computer.

1.

cat /proc/asound/cards - OK to me.

  0 [M66]: ICE1712 - M Audio Delta 66
   M Audio Delta 66 at 0x1040, irq 22
  1 [U0x46d0x990]: USB-Audio - USB Device 0x46d:0x990
   USB Device 0x46d:0x990 at usb-:00:1d.7-1.2, 
high speed

#1 is webcam with built-in microphone.

2.

alsamixer -D hw:0 - OK to me.

3.

aplay *.wav - OK to me.

  mpg123 -w 01\ -\ Drive\ My\ Car.wav 01\ -\ Drive\ My\ Car.mp3
High Performance MPEG 1.0/2.0/2.5 Audio Player for Layer 1, 2, and 3.
Version 0.59q (2002/03/23). Written and copyrights by Joe Drew.
Uses code from various people. See 'README' for more!
THIS SOFTWARE COMES WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY! USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!
Title  : Drive My CarArtist: The Beatles 

Album  : Rubber Soul Year  : 1965
Comment: Genre : 


Playing MPEG stream from 01 - Drive My Car.mp3 ...
MPEG 1.0 layer III, 128 kbit/s, 44100 Hz stereo

[2:30] Decoding of 01 - Drive My Car.mp3 finished.

aplay 01\ -\ Drive\ My\ Car.wav
Toistetaan WAVE '01 - Drive My Car.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, 
Taajuus 44100 Hz, Stereo


If you are OK in every three point, then I really do not understand why 
you can't hear anything.

Best Regards Asmo Koskinen.

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Re: Getting M-Audio Delta 66 working

2009-03-12 Thread Asmo Koskinen
Asmo Koskinen kirjoitti:

 http://www.nue.tu-berlin.de/wer/batke/Download/delta66howto.pdf

I have my sound card

I have my sound card working!!
I set a diferent model for my Delta66 in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base. I 
put “options snd-ice1712 model=delta1010lt”.

I had recently installed Ubuntu Studio 8.04 Kernel 2.6.24-16-rt

All seems to be equal till I raise up DAC4 and DAC5 volumes in 
AnalogVolume tab on Envy24Control.
Move DAC6 and DAC7 to.

http://ardour.org/node/1198


Dennis, I do not need that, but who knows, maybe that option works for you.

Best Regards Asmo Koskinen.

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