Re: Ardour and Funding
You know something that blender really sucks at.. The mixing of sound for movies in it's sequence editor (which fairly close to being a complete non-destructive movie editor). Now if Ardour was made to work in blender, I'm sure Ardour could find some funding, and may even find developers to make cross platform compatibility possible, which would attract more funding (possibly attract more people to the linux platform, especially if people like ardour but need to fix latency problems that exist in windows). -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ardour and Funding
Ton is very friendly, and I'm sure if the developer of Ardour, Paul Davis
approached Ton, Ton might be able to give some help/suggestions.
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Kiernan Holland roftho...@gmail.comwrote:
You know something that blender really sucks at.. The mixing of sound for
movies in it's sequence editor (which fairly close to being a complete
non-destructive movie editor). Now if Ardour was made to work in blender,
I'm sure Ardour could find some funding, and may even find developers to
make cross platform compatibility possible, which would attract more funding
(possibly attract more people to the linux platform, especially if people
like ardour but need to fix latency problems that exist in windows).
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Re: Ardour and Funding
I keep spelling Ton's last name wrong.. It's Ton Roosendaal . I've always had a hard time with that last name. Anyhow, Ton's one of the kindest people.. I'm sure if he doesn't respond to Paul it will be because he's too busy. But Ton was in Paul's position sort of when blender was in freeware, and Ton was asking $60K to develop blender each year. He eventually got to pursue blender as a commercial/freeware project, with about 5 million seed funding.. But that's what led to the effort to release the sources, cause NaN went bankrupt. I'm out of touch with Ton, but I'm sure he's still developing the software mostly himself because he's a bit of a perfectionist (and concerned about it's development because it's his baby). But I'm not sure how much of the development is being shared with the community. I pressured after the sources were released, that there should be more involvement with the users on what features should be in blender. But Ton pushed the point that only those who develop get the features they want in. But somewhere, maybe when I left forums, something happened, and it seems they found a way to work better with the community. I'm not suggesting Paul get involved in the same way that was done with blender, but that he may find a better way to receive support than especting direct support, like providing a product aside from the development, like pre-purchased DVD's and a name in the credits of some music work. Remember what made Jonathan Coulton popular? Song a week and puting the result into creative commons. If Paul could do that with his software, distribute the sources with a musical CD or a Video, released in creative commons and liner notes with contributors and pre-purchasers in the credits, that would probably fund Ardour's development better. He might have to change his name, or go under a nickname, because there is an American songwriter named Paul Davis who made a lot of songs in the 70s and 80s, like I go crazy, cool night and '65 love affair. But now that Paul Davis passed away (RIP), there should be less confusion, just may make releasing a commercial CD harder. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ardour and Funding
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Kiernan Holland roftho...@gmail.comwrote: Ton is very friendly, and I'm sure if the developer of Ardour, Paul Davis approached Ton, Ton might be able to give some help/suggestions. On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Kiernan Holland roftho...@gmail.comwrote: You know something that blender really sucks at.. The mixing of sound for movies in it's sequence editor (which fairly close to being a complete non-destructive movie editor). Now if Ardour was made to work in blender, I'm sure Ardour could find some funding, and may even find developers to make cross platform compatibility possible, which would attract more funding (possibly attract more people to the linux platform, especially if people like ardour but need to fix latency problems that exist in windows). Hi Kiernan, I understand your enthusiasm for Ardour and Blender but it's very frustrating to open my inbox to five new e-mails in a row from you. Would you be able to try keeping it to one reply at a time? Thanks. A couple thoughts though: - Please bottom post (where the response goes under the original message) on this mailing list, it makes it easier to follow converations. - This list probably isn't the best place to request Ardour features. The best place for that would be through the Ardour website/mailinglist/forums/etc... Oh, looks like I have another e-mail from you... off I go to read. Please don't take offense, I mean these suggestions in a very polite manner, and I hope that you continue to keep this list full of active conversation - just in a more orderly fashion if possible. Thanks. -Eric -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ardour and Funding
Sorry, I use Gmail which automatically threads the emails in batches.. I don't have this problem anymore. It would be nice if the whole world uses gmail, consider that you can use https which encrypts the messages over untrusted lines.. But if you don't trust Google Mail, I'm sure you could find a plugin for Thunderbird that would do the same thing. But if you use Pine or Elm or some old terminal based email program, I can't really help you. God forbid you are using outlook. But I can understand it if you are using a crackberry. Oh, looks like I have another e-mail from you... off I go to read. Please don't take offense, I mean these suggestions in a very polite manner, and I hope that you continue to keep this list full of active conversation - just in a more orderly fashion if possible. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ardour and Funding
BTW, most email programs don't encrypt the emails, and can travel over lines in plaintext. I think they often do. You might consider using thunderbird if you aren't.I think there is plugins to encrypt the emails that are sent around. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ardour and Funding
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Kiernan Holland roftho...@gmail.comwrote: It's beside the point as to which e-mail client one uses, these are general e-mail courtesies. But if you had checked my address you'd notice gmail in it as well. Please quit replying to yourself. Compose your e-mail then send it. For live chat, go to #ubuntustudio on the irc.freenode.net and have discussions there. -Eric So are you doing this for yourself or for others.. I'd like to see who else has a problem with my emails? I don't think it is beside the point. I think the point is to make things easier and I'm suggesting a way.. If you are unable to handle information, I suggest you get off the computer. -- Kiernan, I have a small issue with it. Sending a lot of mails replying to yourself is rather rude, especially when the mails are largely offtopic. Please attempt to stay on topic and follow the mailing list ettiquette - you can find it here http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette Hope that helps explain it. And please, feel very free to visit the #ubuntustudio IRC channel. BR Jussi Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ardour and Funding
BTW, why don't you be a man and tell me to shut up? That's really what you are saying.. SHAKE THINGS UP You never know who may be wanting to speak here.. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ardour and Funding
In a place where no messages pass.. It gives the assumption that the listserv is dead.. If there is not activity.. There is no life.. But if that is the way you prefer it.. I guess this project is really not ready fro the prime time. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ardour and Funding
When you increase the level of etiquette, the way of speaking, when a lot of emphasis in placed on correctness, people can be self-conscious, and overly concerned about perception. Perception sucks.. It just keeps people quiet, if I'm the worst one here, it will make it easier for someone who is better but self-conscious to speak up, and ask what they think are stupid questions. Break the form.. SHAKE IT UP It's the only way you can know you have something here. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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WHERE IS THE EXPRESSION in this listserv? Artists express? Who are the artists? I doubt there are any, cause there is no expression here.. It's momentary, asking help for drivers and such.. Usually about the sound side of things.. Nothing about the graphics or video.. This is why Ubuntu Studio is going to be dead.. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Are all open source listservs like this? -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ardour and Funding
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Jussi Schultink juss...@gmail.com wrote: I got your message.. If you want to remove me from the listserv.. Do it.. I'm getting sick of it.. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ardour and Funding
It's beside the point as to which e-mail client one uses, these are general e-mail courtesies. But if you had checked my address you'd notice gmail in it as well. Please quit replying to yourself. Compose your e-mail then send it. For live chat, go to #ubuntustudio on the irc.freenode.net and have discussions there. -Eric So are you doing this for yourself or for others.. I'd like to see who else has a problem with my emails? I don't think it is beside the point. I think the point is to make things easier and I'm suggesting a way.. If you are unable to handle information, I suggest you get off the computer. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ardour and Funding
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Eric Hedekar aftertheb...@gmail.comwrote: Oh you are on gmail.. Well now you know what you can do.. I don't know what you are complaining about.. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ardour and Funding
You can tag emails with gmail so that messages are deleted when say they come from me.. Or you can tag emails to identify that they come from the ubuntu studio group.. I'm involved with two listservs, ubuntu studio and a local ubuntu group as well as receiving junk mail. I've got it set up such that when I get emails they are tagged with names that help me discern the message list from afar, with colors and names. Purple for Ubuntu Studio, Orange for Ubuntu Local.. Grey with the words Crap for junk mail that I care enough about not to delete. Also inside google email, your friends can send you quick chats to notify (using Ajax and javascript) that they are say online (on a friday) in ventrillo waiting to play Quake Wars. Also there are ways to have email receive there forwarded.. If you were unlucky enough to get Juno for a email address, for 5 dollars extra a month you can have your email forwarded (say to gmail).. Juno reserves the right to spam you by making their email filters exclude emails than only keep those people in your address book. I was on earthlink, paying 20 dollar monthly fee (with modem support) until I found out I could switch to a yearly internet only fee of about 30 dollars, and forward email from there. I'm not really sure if it is gmail or firefox that is helping me correct my spelling errors.. Whatever you decide to do, rather than expecting everyone to format their emails to your expectations, why not update your email program to categorize your emails? BTW, Gmail is virtually spam free, I don't know how they do it.. Also you can skin it, I have a school desktop theme. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ardour and Funding
This listserv is Rude American free. I'm going to go remove myself, Hasta.. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Re: Ardour and Funding
On Sep 7, 2009 3:09am, Kiernan Holland roftho...@gmail.com wrote: This listserv is Rude American free. I'm going to go remove myself, Hasta.. You are a strange puppy, Kiernan. This is a listserv, dude, not a revolution. Take it to the streets if you want to SHAKE THINGS UP. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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I didn't know Burning Man was wifi-enabled. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:19 PM, beej...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 7, 2009 3:09am, Kiernan Holland roftho...@gmail.com wrote: This listserv is Rude American free. I'm going to go remove myself, Hasta.. You are a strange puppy, Kiernan. This is a listserv, dude, not a revolution. Take it to the streets if you want to SHAKE THINGS UP. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ardour and Funding
Kiernan Holland wrote: Sorry, I use Gmail which automatically threads the emails in batches.. I don't have this problem anymore. It would be nice if the whole world uses gmail, consider that you can use https which encrypts the messages over untrusted lines.. But if you don't trust Google Mail, I'm sure you could find a plugin for Thunderbird that would do the same thing. But if you use Pine or Elm or some old terminal based email program, I can't really help you. God forbid you are using outlook. But I can understand it if you are using a crackberry. Both my Blackberry and Thunderbird are able to connect directly to google (which only hosts one of my domains) via IMAPS (which in encrypted). No plugins or weirdness required. I only use the web GUI when I absolutely *have* to. As nice as it is when compared to other webmail front ends, I still get annoyed by it. Thunderbird is still my #1. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ardour and Funding
Kiernan Holland wrote: snip Whatever you decide to do, rather than expecting everyone to format their emails to your expectations, why not update your email program to This is not his expectation, but rather the expectation of the group. Some will disagree (as you seem to), but most of us think that this is a reasonable request to facilitate communication. categorize your emails? I already do that. I actually use sieve to sort them into folders server side. Having said that, 23+ messages (most from one person) for Ubuntu Studio is annoying to wade through as there was not really anything pertinent. BTW, Gmail is virtually spam free, I don't know how they do it.. Hard work. I maintain a number of mail servers, keeping things spam free takes work. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ardour and Funding
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kiernan Holland schrieb: It's beside the point as to which e-mail client one uses, these are general e-mail courtesies. But if you had checked my address you'd notice gmail in it as well. Please quit replying to yourself. Compose your e-mail then send it. For live chat, go to #ubuntustudio on the irc.freenode.net and have discussions there. -Eric So are you doing this for yourself or for others.. He does it for others too - as for me for instance. You reply to yourself, that is useless, in real life as well as on computers that do not much more then putting real-life stuff on a network. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkqlcTIACgkQ1Aecwva1SWMF0QCfblQMJxgS+Gd7QFm54XF39lZ6 8gMAn230f0w2V59XLtxrQU3skGNIN1Hf =7mwe -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Min Sys Req's and CPU
Kiernan Holland wrote: I second this.. BTW, is hyper-threading being on a bad idea? Depends on the kernel version and the hardware. In my experience recent kernels (2.6.28+) seem to handle HT better. I'm visiting my brother who works for Hughes Research lab, and does work with linux and FreeBSD all the time. He says that one of the problems with realtime kernels is the potential to have cores competing for resources, resulting in dead lock. I read that this happens in processors such as the Pentium 4 with hyper threading, as it tends to The P4 was terrible all around. The whole point of the netburst architecture was to beat their rivals with Mhz instead of building genuinely superior hardware. It seems Intel is back on track again. starve one thread of resources (in the interest of making maximum use of both processors, also termed as cache thrashing. Also there is some Most of the default kernels do not support hyper threading. This is one of the reasons I build my own kernels, there is some significant performance gains when I enable hyper threading on my new Core2 Duo. The more recent kernels seem to actually handle HT properly, not as a discreet core which they used to (an actually caused a decrease in performance in some situations. snip I recall in my CS classes that if you force processes to allocate resources by the same method that is used in post offices to order people into lines without literally forming a line (by taking a number), you can avoid greedy resource allocation that leads to deadlock by resource holding. I don't know what this method is, but it seemed convincing to me as a way of avoiding these lock-ups at the time. If you really care about the scehduling, there is a lot of info in the Linux Kernel Mailing List, there has been a lot of work on the schedulers over the years. I suspect that the answers to a number of your questions can be found in the source code itself. I know this sounds like I'm searching for a answer to this Xrun problem, but the solution may be better to suggest a way of working when making compositions with Jack and the other audio applications, like say being able to layer (or automate the layering) of tracks using rosegarden and ardour. I know some people care more about performance with Jack, but with the use of ardour, it would be possible to complete work with poorly performing audio applications, like ZynAddSubFx which can bring a CPU to it's knees quite easily. I'm personally stuck on trying to get rosegarden to play and ardour to record in synchronization. I've tried This works fine for me. I have midi in Rosegarden that gets passed to either zynaddsubfx, ams, linux sampler, or an outboard synth. The audio is then passed into a track in ardour. lots of things with no success.. If I find the solution, I'll post it on youtube where others can get the answer without having to come here and plug the listserv for information. One way to reduce questions is to make information resources more accessible. A listserv is nice in one way of providing help but it isn't very effective at reducing the frequency of common questions, a FAQ isn't very helpful, how about a video FAQ? FAQs are only not useful when people do not read them. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
