Bad JACK client connections
IIRC we discussed a loss for the sound quality when recording by Jack connections, without sound cards involved, on this mailing list. I had loss, at least for playback. No time to test if there isn't loss now, but this might be the cause for the loss: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/2011-May/031102.html -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [LAD] RME FIREFACE 400? RME MULTIFACE II?
On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 13:23 -0600, Gustin Johnson wrote: > I would stay away from the Fireface and the multiface (unless you > connect the multiface to another interface). > > FWIW, I have a 9652 PCI card and an RME ADI 8-DS. If I need more > channels there is an Alesis ADAT that I can connect to it, albeit at > only 16/48. It is important to note that the 9652/9652 do not have > any ADC/DACs on them and rely on outboard gear for that. > > This particular rig has been solid and stable for years and has been > in 3 different rigs, the latest being an Intel Sandy bridge. If you > can afford it I highly recommend the RME PCI and PCIe solutions. > Their Firewire solutions have traditionally been the exact opposite > under Linux. Hm? I tries to switch from LAD to LAU, regarding to current user queries, but it failed. Hi Admin [1] ;). Hi Gustin :), hi Ubuntu Studio users list :), pardon LAD ;) IIUC a HDSPe AIO or DSP 9632 is all I need, if I just need a stereo IO? I only need to buy a BF-BOXLRMKH or BF-BOCMKH breakout cable? If I need additional IOs and wish to avoid Multiface firmware issues, I can add AI4S-192 AIO and AO4S-192 AIO. If I need much more IOs and don't have enough money for RME IOs, I can e.g. use a BEHRINGER ADA8000 ULTRAGAIN PRO8 DIGITAL by ADAT connection. The sound quality might be less good and I guess this will add extra latency and Ardour won't auto-compensate this extra latency automatically? As long as I'm using a mobo with PCI slots I can use AI4S-192 AIO and AO4S-192 AIO with a DSP 9632 and when I switch to a mobo with PCIe only I can switch from DSP 9632 to HDSPe AIO and keep AI4S-192 AIO and AO4S-192 AIO (and e.g. a BEHRINGER ADA8000 ULTRAGAIN PRO8 DIGITAL ;)? Using a DSP 9632 with a PCIe to PCI bridge doesn't work or at least could cause issues? Best, Ralf [1] Forwarded Message From: Ralf To: linux-audio-user-ow...@lists.linuxaudio.org Subject: Subscription failed Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 04:40:52 +0200 Hi, I want to switch from LAD to LAU, regarding to some user queries about sound cards. When I first tried to subscribe, I made a typo for my email address, then I tried again without typo, but it failed several times, without any error messages. Best, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: no sound
Don't forget to include the digital/analogue converters as this card does not have any. The up side is that any converters that communicate over ADAT fiber will work. On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 2:24 AM, Ralf wrote: > On Sat, 2011-05-21 at 20:53 -0600, Gustin Johnson wrote: >> I have an RME 9652 that has worked out of the box for the past 5 years >> on every distro I have run (to date with this card I have used Fedora, >> Debian, 64Studio, and various Ubuntu releases.). >> >> It was expensive but has been worth every single penny. >> >> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 4:48 AM, Robert Klaar wrote: >> > Any Rme card is good, although they're a bit expensive. Didn't have to do a >> > thing to get my hdsp 9632 working. > > Thank you, > > I guess I'll search for RME cards in a price range between 300,- to > 800,- EUR. I put by nearly 800,- EUR just to buy a new card. > > Ralf > > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [LAD] RME FIREFACE 400? RME MULTIFACE II?
I would stay away from the Fireface and the multiface (unless you connect the multiface to another interface). FWIW, I have a 9652 PCI card and an RME ADI 8-DS. If I need more channels there is an Alesis ADAT that I can connect to it, albeit at only 16/48. It is important to note that the 9652/9652 do not have any ADC/DACs on them and rely on outboard gear for that. This particular rig has been solid and stable for years and has been in 3 different rigs, the latest being an Intel Sandy bridge. If you can afford it I highly recommend the RME PCI and PCIe solutions. Their Firewire solutions have traditionally been the exact opposite under Linux. 2011/5/22 Ralf : > On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 12:46 +0200, Ralf wrote: >> On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 12:08 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: >> > On 05/22/2011 11:43 AM, Ralf wrote: >> > > Hi :) >> > > >> > > I only watched pictures and read texts but didn't hear one of those RME >> > > devices, anyway, until now I tend to order the RME FIREFACE 400 or RME >> > > MULTIFACE II if they shouldn't cause issues with Linux. The two HDSP be >> > > possible too. >> > > >> > > Any experiences, information? >> > >> > ralf, as usual, your level of disinformation is astonishing. >> >> Hi Jörn, >> >> thank you :). >> >> Disinformation? I didn't have any information, neither right nor wrong >> information, that's why I'm asking. >> >> > the fireface is an ieee1394 device, and the ffado drivers are somewhat >> > experimental. so yes, this would be an "issue with linux". i suggest you >> > check the ffado.org website and look through the ffado mailing list >> > archive to see if the current level of support is sufficient for what >> > you want to do. >> > >> > the multiface ii is a break-out and converter box. it doesn't work on >> > its own. consequently, there are no driver issues associated with its >> > use, other than the firmware upload which the host computer has to take >> > care of when you boot the device. > > Oops, my broken English ... there are issues? Googleing for "multiface > ii linux" results with reported issue :S. > >> > what you want to look into is the corresponding pci(e) card with the >> > connector that looks like firewire but isn't (proprietary rme protocol). >> > the quality of the converters on the multiface leaves nothing to be >> > desired. >> >> You do write the same as another one does write in a forum :). I tend to >> order a Multiface. >> >> > the 9652 and 9636 cards are digital-only, with two resp. three adat i/o >> > connectors. consequently, their "sound quality" is perfect. >> > you will have to combine them with some external adat ad/da converter. >> > >> > most if not all rme cards come pci and pci express flavours. as you >> > mentioned in a previous posting, the pci prices have dropped a lot, but >> > when you consider one, factor in the cost for mainboards with pci slots >> > - they will become quite rare in mass market in the near future, and >> > then you would have to pay extra to get some "industry"-type product >> > that still has them. for an idea of the extra cost, try shopping for an >> > industry board with ISA slots today (still needed to run legacy process >> > control cards and whatnot). >> >> Yes, my ASUS M2A-VM HDMI motherboard only has 2 PCI slots, occupied by 2 >> Terratec EWX 24/96 cards. >> I removed the HDMI thingy and used the PCIe slot for a GeForce 7200GS, >> because 3D doesn't work for the integrated Radeon X1250-based graphics. >> >> Btw. the board has got one PCIe x16 and one PCIe x1 slot. >> >> I could remove the GeForce, 3D isn't important at the moment. Because >> the Multiface is less expensive, I also could order a new motherboard, >> if I should need 3D ... perhaps, I don't know what I need to replace >> too, I randomly picked some mobos ... DDR3 instead of DDR2 seems to be >> no moneywise issue, I guess this is all I would need to change. >> >> So the future is NO PCI, but several PCIe x16 and x1 slots? >> >> > all rme cards i've come across will happily run at 64 frames, and some >> > of the newer ones let you go down to 32 or 16, although i have not tried >> > this yet. >> >> Somebody on a forum wrote that 32 frames are ok for his RME, for a real >> multi-channel productions! >> >> Thank you very much. My impression is that RME cards are the best choice >> for Linux. >> >> Best, >> >> Ralf >> > > > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: RME FIREFACE 400? RME MULTIFACE II?
> I'm not interested in this one, but the price-performance ratio is > amazing: > > BEHRINGER XENYX X2442 USB > http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_xenyx_x2442_usb.htm Going only slightly off-topic: One thing to consider is that, AFAIK, all of the Behringer mixers with USB output only do two channels. That is, the USB only streams the stereo bus. None are multi-channel. At least, that's how it was when I last looked into it (I was tempted to get one of the smaller ones myself). Mackie is SLIGHTLY better than Behringer, but Behringer is actually catching up. Regardless, the small amount of extra quality doesn't justify the larger price, IMHO. If this kind of setup is what you're looking for, I'd go with an Allen & Heath ZED-14 instead. You'll lose a few channels for the same price, but the quality is far better. -Karl. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [LAD] RME FIREFACE 400? RME MULTIFACE II?
On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 12:46 +0200, Ralf wrote: > On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 12:08 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > > On 05/22/2011 11:43 AM, Ralf wrote: > > > Hi :) > > > > > > I only watched pictures and read texts but didn't hear one of those RME > > > devices, anyway, until now I tend to order the RME FIREFACE 400 or RME > > > MULTIFACE II if they shouldn't cause issues with Linux. The two HDSP be > > > possible too. > > > > > > Any experiences, information? > > > > ralf, as usual, your level of disinformation is astonishing. > > Hi Jörn, > > thank you :). > > Disinformation? I didn't have any information, neither right nor wrong > information, that's why I'm asking. > > > the fireface is an ieee1394 device, and the ffado drivers are somewhat > > experimental. so yes, this would be an "issue with linux". i suggest you > > check the ffado.org website and look through the ffado mailing list > > archive to see if the current level of support is sufficient for what > > you want to do. > > > > the multiface ii is a break-out and converter box. it doesn't work on > > its own. consequently, there are no driver issues associated with its > > use, other than the firmware upload which the host computer has to take > > care of when you boot the device. Oops, my broken English ... there are issues? Googleing for "multiface ii linux" results with reported issue :S. > > what you want to look into is the corresponding pci(e) card with the > > connector that looks like firewire but isn't (proprietary rme protocol). > > the quality of the converters on the multiface leaves nothing to be desired. > > You do write the same as another one does write in a forum :). I tend to > order a Multiface. > > > the 9652 and 9636 cards are digital-only, with two resp. three adat i/o > > connectors. consequently, their "sound quality" is perfect. > > you will have to combine them with some external adat ad/da converter. > > > > most if not all rme cards come pci and pci express flavours. as you > > mentioned in a previous posting, the pci prices have dropped a lot, but > > when you consider one, factor in the cost for mainboards with pci slots > > - they will become quite rare in mass market in the near future, and > > then you would have to pay extra to get some "industry"-type product > > that still has them. for an idea of the extra cost, try shopping for an > > industry board with ISA slots today (still needed to run legacy process > > control cards and whatnot). > > Yes, my ASUS M2A-VM HDMI motherboard only has 2 PCI slots, occupied by 2 > Terratec EWX 24/96 cards. > I removed the HDMI thingy and used the PCIe slot for a GeForce 7200GS, > because 3D doesn't work for the integrated Radeon X1250-based graphics. > > Btw. the board has got one PCIe x16 and one PCIe x1 slot. > > I could remove the GeForce, 3D isn't important at the moment. Because > the Multiface is less expensive, I also could order a new motherboard, > if I should need 3D ... perhaps, I don't know what I need to replace > too, I randomly picked some mobos ... DDR3 instead of DDR2 seems to be > no moneywise issue, I guess this is all I would need to change. > > So the future is NO PCI, but several PCIe x16 and x1 slots? > > > all rme cards i've come across will happily run at 64 frames, and some > > of the newer ones let you go down to 32 or 16, although i have not tried > > this yet. > > Somebody on a forum wrote that 32 frames are ok for his RME, for a real > multi-channel productions! > > Thank you very much. My impression is that RME cards are the best choice > for Linux. > > Best, > > Ralf > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [LAD] RME FIREFACE 400? RME MULTIFACE II?
On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 12:08 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 05/22/2011 11:43 AM, Ralf wrote: > > Hi :) > > > > I only watched pictures and read texts but didn't hear one of those RME > > devices, anyway, until now I tend to order the RME FIREFACE 400 or RME > > MULTIFACE II if they shouldn't cause issues with Linux. The two HDSP be > > possible too. > > > > Any experiences, information? > > ralf, as usual, your level of disinformation is astonishing. Hi Jörn, thank you :). Disinformation? I didn't have any information, neither right nor wrong information, that's why I'm asking. > the fireface is an ieee1394 device, and the ffado drivers are somewhat > experimental. so yes, this would be an "issue with linux". i suggest you > check the ffado.org website and look through the ffado mailing list > archive to see if the current level of support is sufficient for what > you want to do. > > the multiface ii is a break-out and converter box. it doesn't work on > its own. consequently, there are no driver issues associated with its > use, other than the firmware upload which the host computer has to take > care of when you boot the device. > what you want to look into is the corresponding pci(e) card with the > connector that looks like firewire but isn't (proprietary rme protocol). > the quality of the converters on the multiface leaves nothing to be desired. You do write the same as another one does write in a forum :). I tend to order a Multiface. > the 9652 and 9636 cards are digital-only, with two resp. three adat i/o > connectors. consequently, their "sound quality" is perfect. > you will have to combine them with some external adat ad/da converter. > > most if not all rme cards come pci and pci express flavours. as you > mentioned in a previous posting, the pci prices have dropped a lot, but > when you consider one, factor in the cost for mainboards with pci slots > - they will become quite rare in mass market in the near future, and > then you would have to pay extra to get some "industry"-type product > that still has them. for an idea of the extra cost, try shopping for an > industry board with ISA slots today (still needed to run legacy process > control cards and whatnot). Yes, my ASUS M2A-VM HDMI motherboard only has 2 PCI slots, occupied by 2 Terratec EWX 24/96 cards. I removed the HDMI thingy and used the PCIe slot for a GeForce 7200GS, because 3D doesn't work for the integrated Radeon X1250-based graphics. Btw. the board has got one PCIe x16 and one PCIe x1 slot. I could remove the GeForce, 3D isn't important at the moment. Because the Multiface is less expensive, I also could order a new motherboard, if I should need 3D ... perhaps, I don't know what I need to replace too, I randomly picked some mobos ... DDR3 instead of DDR2 seems to be no moneywise issue, I guess this is all I would need to change. So the future is NO PCI, but several PCIe x16 and x1 slots? > all rme cards i've come across will happily run at 64 frames, and some > of the newer ones let you go down to 32 or 16, although i have not tried > this yet. Somebody on a forum wrote that 32 frames are ok for his RME, for a real multi-channel productions! Thank you very much. My impression is that RME cards are the best choice for Linux. Best, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
RME FIREFACE 400? RME MULTIFACE II?
Hi :) I only watched pictures and read texts but didn't hear one of those RME devices, anyway, until now I tend to order the RME FIREFACE 400 or RME MULTIFACE II if they shouldn't cause issues with Linux. The two HDSP be possible too. Any experiences, information? RME FIREFACE 400 http://www.thomann.de/gb/rme_fireface_400.htm RME MULTIFACE II http://www.thomann.de/gb/rme_multiface_ii.htm RME HDSP 9652 http://www.thomann.de/gb/rme_digi_9652_hdsp.htm http://www.thomann.de/gb/rme_9652_hdsp_retour.htm RME HDSP 9632 http://www.thomann.de/gb/rme_digi_9632_hdsp_pcikarte.htm The sound quality at least should reach that of my elCheapo consumer DAT Sony DTC-670. The Terratec EWX 24/96 does hardly reach the sound quality of my Yamaha MT44D 4 track analog cassette recorder, when it wasn't broken, but well maintained and I heard several Envy24 cards that hardly reach the 4 track recorders quality. I'm not interested in this one, but the price-performance ratio is amazing: BEHRINGER XENYX X2442 USB http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_xenyx_x2442_usb.htm I've got a Behringer EURORACK UB2442FX-PRO a very bad mixer, hard to clean, hard to use, because everything is small, even if it's dust protected, after 3 years dust issues started. All faders are still ok, but Group buttons are completely out of order, some channels don't work any more. I don't had enough money to get a better mixer, when my old get completely broken but OTOH, the sound quality anyhow is good enough to reach good consumer quality that is better, than what my Terratec EWX 24/96 are able to record. I wish to get a good sound card, but this Behringer might be interesting for some people. Note, I never compared a Mackie with the UB2442FX-PRO directly, a friend has got nearly the same mixer from Mackie, and I've got the impression that the sound quality of the Mackie is better. IMO Mackie is some kind of reference for low cost home recording equipment. Things should sound similar to a Mackie or better. I'll start reading http://www.google.de/#sclient=psy&hl=de&source=hp&q=RME+FIREFACE+400 +linux&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=5a4a001e44ffdadc now. Best, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: no sound
On Sat, 2011-05-21 at 20:53 -0600, Gustin Johnson wrote: > I have an RME 9652 that has worked out of the box for the past 5 years > on every distro I have run (to date with this card I have used Fedora, > Debian, 64Studio, and various Ubuntu releases.). > > It was expensive but has been worth every single penny. > > On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 4:48 AM, Robert Klaar wrote: > > Any Rme card is good, although they're a bit expensive. Didn't have to do a > > thing to get my hdsp 9632 working. Thank you, I guess I'll search for RME cards in a price range between 300,- to 800,- EUR. I put by nearly 800,- EUR just to buy a new card. Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
