Re: No sound from Midi Keyboard via USB

2011-09-20 Thread Michael


Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 20.09.2011 um 10:22 schrieb Ralf Mardorf :

> On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 10:07 +0200,  plug-in synth is loaded,
>> 
>> 
>>> resp. no synth is connected to MIDI out.
>> 
>> 
> 
> This seems to be bad coding by the Rosegarden coders. I suspect that
> they refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_MIDI, instead of just
> using numbers, they perhaps add names. If so, it would be very stupid.

Well, different people, different art of coding, I guess. But this does not 
influence any correct way in the context. We cannot change this, but we should 
keep this in mind here on the mailing list, I suggest.

> You learn playing Rock music in the streets, not by books. 2 Cents YMMV.

I wouldn't completely agree on this. I guess we can compare music with language 
here. If you want to learn a language, you first have to learn the basic 
vocabulary. Of course, you then learn by speaking (=playing your instrument). 
But if you don't keep up with the basics, you can not get on a "higher level". 
Therefor, musical theory helps you not only to get better, but also to have 
more fun, because if you know more, it's more easy to express your 
feelings/thoughts via this way.  Just my cents.

Greets,
Dennis
> 
>> 
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Re: No sound from Midi Keyboard via USB

2011-09-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
*lol*

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From: Ralf Mardorf 
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Subject: Re: No sound from Midi Keyboard via USB
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:59:30 +0200

PPS:
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 10:48 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> OT:
> 
> > You learn playing Rock music in the streets, not by books. 2 Cents YMMV.
> 
> There're some exceptions, e.g. "Original Hendrix by Steve Tarish. An
> annotated guide to the guitar technique of Jimi Hendrix." ISBN
> 0-7119-0015-9, UK Order No. AM 30040, It's from 1982 "To the spirit of
> Jimi Hendrix; and those who raise their freak flag high"
> 
> Hendrix did very interesting chord playing, not just power chords,
> learning Hendrix is comparable to jazz comping, but it's still
> Rock'n'Roll.

And it doesn't harm to get the "Real Book", unfortunately you need to
suffer, because of notes, but it's amazing. I don't own a the real
Book :(. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Book I'm born in 1966, the
guys who own the Real Book usually are around 10 years older, there
seems to be a "New legal Real Book", never have seen this one. Note, I'm
a Pop-Rock-Musician, but there's nothing bad with those Jazz standards.


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Re: No sound from Midi Keyboard via USB

2011-09-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
OT:

> You learn playing Rock music in the streets, not by books. 2 Cents YMMV.

There're some exceptions, e.g. "Original Hendrix by Steve Tarish. An
annotated guide to the guitar technique of Jimi Hendrix." ISBN
0-7119-0015-9, UK Order No. AM 30040, It's from 1982 "To the spirit of
Jimi Hendrix; and those who raise their freak flag high"

Hendrix did very interesting chord playing, not just power chords,
learning Hendrix is comparable to jazz comping, but it's still
Rock'n'Roll.


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Re: No sound from Midi Keyboard via USB

2011-09-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 10:07 +0200, Michael wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for your answer, but still there is something I don't get.
> 
> Am 19.09.2011 um 20:49 schrieb Ralf Mardorf :
> 
> > PS: I'm not using Rosegarden. It might be that Rosegarden did show
> > general MIDI information, even if no plug-in is loaded. E.g. the default
> > might be "1 Acoustic Grand Piano". Perhaps Rosegarden than send the so
> > called program change MIDI event, that will switch to sound number 1,
> > but it won't play a audible note, because no plug-in synth is loaded,
> > resp. no synth is connected to MIDI out.
> 
> Let me try to put it in my words: rosegarden shows general midi information 
> for any possible sw or hw synth here that has to be connected in order to get 
> something out of the speakers. If this is true, I wonder where "Acoustic 
> grand piano" comes from, because (if I understand all of this correctly) the 
> sound itself is done by the synth and not by the sequencer. So the sequencer 
> shouldn't know anything about the names of the soundfonts that are loaded by 
> the synth, it should only display eg the name of the connection itself eg 
> "midi connection 1" that is communicating with the synth, correct?
> 
> If I am right, I wonder about the name of the midi information in rosegarden. 
> Does anybody know if the naming here is some kind of rest from a synth that 
> was eg included in rosegarden (which is a possible explanation of the naming 
> here to me)?
> 

This seems to be bad coding by the Rosegarden coders. I suspect that
they refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_MIDI, instead of just
using numbers, they perhaps add names. If so, it would be very stupid.

> > The only advantage of
> > Rosegarden is, that it has got a notation software included. I don't
> > need this. Do you need notation printing?
> 
> Notation... Well, let me put it that way: Normal musicians in "rock music" 
> (as a wide definition of what I like) shouldn't ever need to write down their 
> stuff because after all, they know what they are playing. If you ever become 
> famous, of course, there is a possibility that you may forget some parts of 
> old songs, but then you still have the internet :) In this context, there is 
> the story from Steve Harris (Iron Maiden) who replied to the question why 
> they don't play "Alexander the great" anymore live: "Because Adrian can't 
> remember the solo". I am not sure if the story is true, but it shows that 
> learning notation could be useful :)

I'm unable to read notes, when I privately taught music somebody wished
to get information about rules for composing. Just before the leassons I
visited a public library and read about music theory and notes. I told
him, that it's stupid, but he payed me, so I gave him, what he wanted.
You learn playing Rock music in the streets, not by books. 2 Cents YMMV.

> 
> Great,
> Dennis
> > 
> 



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Re: No sound from Midi Keyboard via USB

2011-09-20 Thread Michael
Hi,

Thanks for your answer, but still there is something I don't get.

Am 19.09.2011 um 20:49 schrieb Ralf Mardorf :

> PS: I'm not using Rosegarden. It might be that Rosegarden did show
> general MIDI information, even if no plug-in is loaded. E.g. the default
> might be "1 Acoustic Grand Piano". Perhaps Rosegarden than send the so
> called program change MIDI event, that will switch to sound number 1,
> but it won't play a audible note, because no plug-in synth is loaded,
> resp. no synth is connected to MIDI out.

Let me try to put it in my words: rosegarden shows general midi information for 
any possible sw or hw synth here that has to be connected in order to get 
something out of the speakers. If this is true, I wonder where "Acoustic grand 
piano" comes from, because (if I understand all of this correctly) the sound 
itself is done by the synth and not by the sequencer. So the sequencer 
shouldn't know anything about the names of the soundfonts that are loaded by 
the synth, it should only display eg the name of the connection itself eg "midi 
connection 1" that is communicating with the synth, correct?

If I am right, I wonder about the name of the midi information in rosegarden. 
Does anybody know if the naming here is some kind of rest from a synth that was 
eg included in rosegarden (which is a possible explanation of the naming here 
to me)?

> The only advantage of
> Rosegarden is, that it has got a notation software included. I don't
> need this. Do you need notation printing?

Notation... Well, let me put it that way: Normal musicians in "rock music" (as 
a wide definition of what I like) shouldn't ever need to write down their stuff 
because after all, they know what they are playing. If you ever become famous, 
of course, there is a possibility that you may forget some parts of old songs, 
but then you still have the internet :) In this context, there is the story 
from Steve Harris (Iron Maiden) who replied to the question why they don't play 
"Alexander the great" anymore live: "Because Adrian can't remember the solo". I 
am not sure if the story is true, but it shows that learning notation could be 
useful :)

Great,
Dennis
> 

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