Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Enhancing the desktop

[Rivera Valdez]

Hi, Hazan :)

I'd never tried to change that stuff, but in case you have
not enough answers from the UbuntuStudio community you
can also try the Xfce community as well. Things like "unfocused
scroll" (which I personally love ;) are probably Xfce-relative, etx.

Have you tried keeping Alt pressed after Tab for the "All open
windows view"?

Sorry for not being of much help,

regards!


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Hazan Pérez  wrote:

> Good day community,
>
> A bit of background: Used a couple of versions of UbuntuStudio in the
> past, I think it's a very good idea for a Distro. I work mostly with
> graphics, some video and a bit of desktop publishing, so having a distro
> with such tools available out of the box is great (can't say the same
> for all the audio stuff, most of that software I don't even know how to
> use).
>
> For this semester I decided to switch to Linux Mint, which is nice but
> it has a few problems, thanks to the Cinnamon DE, which has let me sad
> and frustrated. I'm thinking of switching to US again, but there are a
> few things about XFCE that I don't like.
>
> XFCE is really nice, fast, lean and light while being pretty, but I miss
> a bit of functionality from other DEs. I can't use another DE because of
> a default sound config (wrote about that some time ago but didn't
> received much help). Sound is rightly configured in default US with
> XFCE, but if I change the DE it goes all wrong.
>
> Now, for that extra functionality, here are the things I miss the most
> from other DEs:
>
> - Unfocused Scroll: This is if, for example, I have a window in the
> background and a smaller in front, if I scroll the background window it
> wont get focused (it wont go up in front). know a way to configure this?
>
> - All open windows view, like expo, without using Compiz. Compiz breaks
> the beauty of XFCE.
>
> - A window list that can also work as a dock, that is, a window list in
> a panel that can have "pinned" icons for applications, but when clicked
> on opens the application an keeps working as it's window selector (not
> appearing an extra icon).
>
> ... Plus a few more things. I know that all this is DE oriented, and not
> exactly for the core functionality of US and probably not on the right
> list, but I'd appreciate your help.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Is Libre an acceptable substitute for MS office for college student? (long; sorry.)

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Hazan, Laurent, Rob, Mike, Jimmy, and Craig,
You have been tremendously helpful.
Knowing that we should be able to make things work is important,
immediately and longer-range.
The insights into the thinking of educators are also helpful.
Moreover, I am now re-energized in the quest to get more educational tools
into the hands of those who need it most, including kids who don't get
encouraged at home and who may not even know they have potential.
So thank you for the specific assistance and for the example of people
taking the time to be helpful.
Warmest regards to all,
Pete
PS -- Imagine what might happen if people start thinking about what they
would do if they had a supercomputer of their very own that fit in a
pocket. Then compare the specs on modern smartphones -- the ones that will
sell for fifty bucks or less a couple of years from now -- with the specs
of the CRAY-1 ca2000.  Hope I can stick around for a few more years to see
what happens.


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:56 AM, ©raig ®au  wrote:

> I graduated in 2008 with a degree in Mechanical Engineering using nothing
> but Open Source software. At the time it was still Open Office, but I used
> it flawlessly (Writer... Calc... Impress...) And I used SciLab instead of
> Matlab (although there was a Linux version of Matlab, not to mention
> Mathematica, Maple, Pro-E... etc.) The only thing Linux didn't have was a
> good alternative for Minitab.
>
> But I digress... Calc can do almost everything Excel can... Almost. And
> for the purpose of college it most certainly can.
>
> Hell, you should see some of the garbage graphs that Minitab produces and
> they are the industry standard in the real world.
> --
> ©raig ®au
> On Nov 6, 2013 3:23 PM, "Pete Wright"  wrote:
>
>>  I know what the answer to that question should be, but I am old enough
>> to know how ignorant I am (plenty), so this is a legitimate serious
>> question, not troll-bait.
>>
>> My 16-year-old high school junior is in a State of Washington program
>> (Running Start) that lets students start college early, which she is doing,
>> carrying a full load of college courses plus a couple of high school
>> classes.
>>
>> She is bright and reasonably computer literate, but she has been writing
>> for years and when the rest of the computer environment doesn't let her
>> work as fast as a word processor does, she gets frustrated. She also has
>> some health issues, so just letting her sink or swim on her own is not the
>> best option; hence my effort to help her.
>>
>> The most recent bump she has hit is a biology assignment to make graphs
>> out of data; the examples (samples) are provided as txt files and the
>> instructions are to use Excel. Our first attempts to do the job with Libre
>> calc and/or base failed.  Her instructor, via email, just says "use the
>> computers at school if you don't have Excel."
>>
>> We don't own MS Office and because of her health and living more than am
>> hour away from campus, using the school's computers are not often a good
>> option.
>>
>> So, should she be able to do in LIbre what she would be able to do in MS
>> Office? (I am assuming the college does not make much use of the fanciest
>> bells and whistles that probably differentiate the two suites.)
>>
>> I can and do teach kids and adults how to use Gimp and Libre Writer
>> instead of their high-priced counterparts, but when it comes to
>> spreadsheets and such I barely know a range from an operator, so your
>> responses can be basic to the point of primitive without danger of
>> insulting me.
>>
>> I am interested in broad general answers to the broad question in the
>> subject line, but would like to hear finer-grained answers about the
>> graph-generation issue, as well.
>>
>> I tried a few years back to organize a local organization to persuade our
>> schools to use Open Source software instead of proprietary stuff, but the
>> teachers were all either Apple-only or totally computer illiterate. When
>> the others gave up, I did too, and the effort fizzled. But I remain
>> dedicated to using and proselytizing Open Source; just not very good at it.
>>
>> Helplessly yours, Pete
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[ubuntu-studio-users] Enhancing the desktop

[Hazan Pérez]

Good day community,

A bit of background: Used a couple of versions of UbuntuStudio in the
past, I think it's a very good idea for a Distro. I work mostly with
graphics, some video and a bit of desktop publishing, so having a distro
with such tools available out of the box is great (can't say the same
for all the audio stuff, most of that software I don't even know how to
use).

For this semester I decided to switch to Linux Mint, which is nice but
it has a few problems, thanks to the Cinnamon DE, which has let me sad
and frustrated. I'm thinking of switching to US again, but there are a
few things about XFCE that I don't like.

XFCE is really nice, fast, lean and light while being pretty, but I miss
a bit of functionality from other DEs. I can't use another DE because of
a default sound config (wrote about that some time ago but didn't
received much help). Sound is rightly configured in default US with
XFCE, but if I change the DE it goes all wrong.

Now, for that extra functionality, here are the things I miss the most
from other DEs:

- Unfocused Scroll: This is if, for example, I have a window in the
background and a smaller in front, if I scroll the background window it
wont get focused (it wont go up in front). know a way to configure this?

- All open windows view, like expo, without using Compiz. Compiz breaks
the beauty of XFCE.

- A window list that can also work as a dock, that is, a window list in
a panel that can have "pinned" icons for applications, but when clicked
on opens the application an keeps working as it's window selector (not
appearing an extra icon).

... Plus a few more things. I know that all this is DE oriented, and not
exactly for the core functionality of US and probably not on the right
list, but I'd appreciate your help.

Thanks in advance.

-- 

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Twisto Creative


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Is Libre an acceptable substitute for MS office for college student? (long; sorry.)

[©raig ®au]

I graduated in 2008 with a degree in Mechanical Engineering using nothing
but Open Source software. At the time it was still Open Office, but I used
it flawlessly (Writer... Calc... Impress...) And I used SciLab instead of
Matlab (although there was a Linux version of Matlab, not to mention
Mathematica, Maple, Pro-E... etc.) The only thing Linux didn't have was a
good alternative for Minitab.

But I digress... Calc can do almost everything Excel can... Almost. And for
the purpose of college it most certainly can.

Hell, you should see some of the garbage graphs that Minitab produces and
they are the industry standard in the real world.
-- 
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On Nov 6, 2013 3:23 PM, "Pete Wright"  wrote:

> I know what the answer to that question should be, but I am old enough to
> know how ignorant I am (plenty), so this is a legitimate serious question,
> not troll-bait.
>
> My 16-year-old high school junior is in a State of Washington program
> (Running Start) that lets students start college early, which she is doing,
> carrying a full load of college courses plus a couple of high school
> classes.
>
> She is bright and reasonably computer literate, but she has been writing
> for years and when the rest of the computer environment doesn't let her
> work as fast as a word processor does, she gets frustrated. She also has
> some health issues, so just letting her sink or swim on her own is not the
> best option; hence my effort to help her.
>
> The most recent bump she has hit is a biology assignment to make graphs
> out of data; the examples (samples) are provided as txt files and the
> instructions are to use Excel. Our first attempts to do the job with Libre
> calc and/or base failed.  Her instructor, via email, just says "use the
> computers at school if you don't have Excel."
>
> We don't own MS Office and because of her health and living more than am
> hour away from campus, using the school's computers are not often a good
> option.
>
> So, should she be able to do in LIbre what she would be able to do in MS
> Office? (I am assuming the college does not make much use of the fanciest
> bells and whistles that probably differentiate the two suites.)
>
> I can and do teach kids and adults how to use Gimp and Libre Writer
> instead of their high-priced counterparts, but when it comes to
> spreadsheets and such I barely know a range from an operator, so your
> responses can be basic to the point of primitive without danger of
> insulting me.
>
> I am interested in broad general answers to the broad question in the
> subject line, but would like to hear finer-grained answers about the
> graph-generation issue, as well.
>
> I tried a few years back to organize a local organization to persuade our
> schools to use Open Source software instead of proprietary stuff, but the
> teachers were all either Apple-only or totally computer illiterate. When
> the others gave up, I did too, and the effort fizzled. But I remain
> dedicated to using and proselytizing Open Source; just not very good at it.
>
> Helplessly yours, Pete
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Is Libre an acceptable substitute for MS office for college student? (long; sorry.)

[Jimmy Sjölund]

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Mike Holstein  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>
>> I know what the answer to that question should be, but I am old enough to
>> know how ignorant I am (plenty), so this is a legitimate serious question,
>> not troll-bait.
>>
>> My 16-year-old high school junior is in a State of Washington program
>> (Running Start) that lets students start college early, which she is doing,
>> carrying a full load of college courses plus a couple of high school
>> classes.
>>
>> She is bright and reasonably computer literate, but she has been writing
>> for years and when the rest of the computer environment doesn't let her
>> work as fast as a word processor does, she gets frustrated. She also has
>> some health issues, so just letting her sink or swim on her own is not the
>> best option; hence my effort to help her.
>>
>> The most recent bump she has hit is a biology assignment to make graphs
>> out of data; the examples (samples) are provided as txt files and the
>> instructions are to use Excel. Our first attempts to do the job with Libre
>> calc and/or base failed.  Her instructor, via email, just says "use the
>> computers at school if you don't have Excel."
>>
>> We don't own MS Office and because of her health and living more than am
>> hour away from campus, using the school's computers are not often a good
>> option.
>>
>> So, should she be able to do in LIbre what she would be able to do in MS
>> Office? (I am assuming the college does not make much use of the fanciest
>> bells and whistles that probably differentiate the two suites.)
>>
>> I can and do teach kids and adults how to use Gimp and Libre Writer
>> instead of their high-priced counterparts, but when it comes to
>> spreadsheets and such I barely know a range from an operator, so your
>> responses can be basic to the point of primitive without danger of
>> insulting me.
>>
>> I am interested in broad general answers to the broad question in the
>> subject line, but would like to hear finer-grained answers about the
>> graph-generation issue, as well.
>>
>> I tried a few years back to organize a local organization to persuade our
>> schools to use Open Source software instead of proprietary stuff, but the
>> teachers were all either Apple-only or totally computer illiterate. When
>> the others gave up, I did too, and the effort fizzled. But I remain
>> dedicated to using and proselytizing Open Source; just not very good at it.
>>
>> Helplessly yours, Pete
>>
>
>
> for me, the problem lies in the very assignment. if the assignment is "use
> a microsoft product to create a document...", then, thats the assignment.
> we all know that ilbreoffice is a viable product, and works as advertised,
> but the only way to work in the above situation is to create a document
> that looks like it was created in a microsoft product. i think this can be
> challenging for some specific documents such as spread sheets. i never
> understood what the issue was, since the teachers, and anyone else for that
> matter, is provided a free copy of libreoffice. but, the teachers arent
> interested in learning new software, and may legitimately not have access
> to installing software on the machines at their disposal (or, they just
> dont understand how to install software). i feel like for a linux solution,
> googe docs may have an advantage here, since you can usually just share a
> link with someone, and they can open the document created in any web
> browser without adding, changing, or installing something. still, its not a
> microsoft product.
>
> I agree, it depends on the assignment. You should be able to create the
same results using Libre Office but it might look a bit different
cosmetically and have to be made doing a couple of other steps in the
workflow than using Excel. The University I went to was supposed to accept
Open Office/Libre Office or MS Office files when turning in assignments.
However, some teachers just wouldn't bother with other than MS Office and
to make sure they could open the files and make it look like I wanted to I
only turned in PDF files. That said, even that would make some teachers
come back to me claiming they could open my strange file ...

Google Docs can work but I have found that more advanced (and some basic)
features are not present in Google Docs. I use it only for simple layouts
and straight-forward spreadsheets.

/Jimmy
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Is Libre an acceptable substitute for MS office for college student? (long; sorry.)

[Mike Holstein]

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:

> I know what the answer to that question should be, but I am old enough to
> know how ignorant I am (plenty), so this is a legitimate serious question,
> not troll-bait.
>
> My 16-year-old high school junior is in a State of Washington program
> (Running Start) that lets students start college early, which she is doing,
> carrying a full load of college courses plus a couple of high school
> classes.
>
> She is bright and reasonably computer literate, but she has been writing
> for years and when the rest of the computer environment doesn't let her
> work as fast as a word processor does, she gets frustrated. She also has
> some health issues, so just letting her sink or swim on her own is not the
> best option; hence my effort to help her.
>
> The most recent bump she has hit is a biology assignment to make graphs
> out of data; the examples (samples) are provided as txt files and the
> instructions are to use Excel. Our first attempts to do the job with Libre
> calc and/or base failed.  Her instructor, via email, just says "use the
> computers at school if you don't have Excel."
>
> We don't own MS Office and because of her health and living more than am
> hour away from campus, using the school's computers are not often a good
> option.
>
> So, should she be able to do in LIbre what she would be able to do in MS
> Office? (I am assuming the college does not make much use of the fanciest
> bells and whistles that probably differentiate the two suites.)
>
> I can and do teach kids and adults how to use Gimp and Libre Writer
> instead of their high-priced counterparts, but when it comes to
> spreadsheets and such I barely know a range from an operator, so your
> responses can be basic to the point of primitive without danger of
> insulting me.
>
> I am interested in broad general answers to the broad question in the
> subject line, but would like to hear finer-grained answers about the
> graph-generation issue, as well.
>
> I tried a few years back to organize a local organization to persuade our
> schools to use Open Source software instead of proprietary stuff, but the
> teachers were all either Apple-only or totally computer illiterate. When
> the others gave up, I did too, and the effort fizzled. But I remain
> dedicated to using and proselytizing Open Source; just not very good at it.
>
> Helplessly yours, Pete
>


for me, the problem lies in the very assignment. if the assignment is "use
a microsoft product to create a document...", then, thats the assignment.
we all know that ilbreoffice is a viable product, and works as advertised,
but the only way to work in the above situation is to create a document
that looks like it was created in a microsoft product. i think this can be
challenging for some specific documents such as spread sheets. i never
understood what the issue was, since the teachers, and anyone else for that
matter, is provided a free copy of libreoffice. but, the teachers arent
interested in learning new software, and may legitimately not have access
to installing software on the machines at their disposal (or, they just
dont understand how to install software). i feel like for a linux solution,
googe docs may have an advantage here, since you can usually just share a
link with someone, and they can open the document created in any web
browser without adding, changing, or installing something. still, its not a
microsoft product.


>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] An Offert to the State

[Mike Holstein]

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:31 AM, Set Hallstrom  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> In September i decided to find out the total amount of money that the
> state of Sweden spends on Microsoft and apple licenses/products each year.
>
> This took quite some time, but i got an estimate answer from the
> department in charge: between 450-500 _million_ Swedish crowns _each
> year_ (69'291'450.00 US Dollar). This sum is _only_ regarding Microsoft
> licenses.
>
> I've also been told that there is a regular meeting where investors and
> computer related whatnots are invited to present solutions and offers.
> (I’m still expecting the exact date of this).
>
> So i was wondering:
>
> - Should we organize the presence of Ubuntustudio at that meeting? Or
> should this be brought to the attention of Ubuntu as a whole (if not
> already aware)?
> - Would/Could this be a bad thing for Ubuntustudio?
> - And if it's a good thing: who is in? :)
> - Has there been any previous attempts that we could learn from?
>

if ubuntu, or ubuntustudio gets invited, we could discuss organizing a
presence.


>
> Obviously, since this is in Sweden, it would be good if some swedes
> responded, but hey! Europe is a union now isn't it? And Ubuntu is
> worldwide, unlike some U.S. devi.. hrm.. devels ;)
>
> Now, let me be straight: i'm aware GNU/Linux exists since way before i
> stopped playing NES, that i don't know even half of what has been
> attempted until today and also that i have no intention to become some
> wannabe messiah or nextlevel Stallman (i'm just a happy post-n00b
> computing in freedom). I know big money can be devastating for projects
> like ubuntustudio, and i am ready to eat any negative criticism like a
> good boy. My interest in this investigation is the betterment of my
> community, which by definition cannot be achieved by a single person.
>
> Yours optimystically,
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> http://sakrecoer.com
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] firewire broken after upgrade

[Mike Holstein]

On Nov 6, 2013 8:32 AM, "bart deruyter"  wrote:
>
> I now did a fresh install and I still have the same problem. Nobody
around who knows something about this issue? I can't believe I'd be the
only one.
>

You could be the only one with that device on this list. I read about how
it worked with one FireWire stack and not the other and decided against it,
though that was years ago and I hope support is better. Ideally, it would
be up to echo to provide you support. They may not officially support
Linux. I would rule out a hardware issue. If the device worked with the
13.10 live CD and doesn't work now with the 13.10 live CD, then that could
indicate an issue with the hardware somewhere. I would want to take the
device to another machine with the same, known supported live CD, and
ideally test it with whatever operating system echo officially supports.

> Grtz,
> Bart
>
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>
>
> 2013/11/5 bart deruyter 
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> last attempt to find help before I do a fresh install:
>>
>> I have quite an issue with my audiofire12 (firewiredevice) since I
upgraded to 13.10. Firewire worked at first, but yesterday morning there
was 'nothing', no sound, no firewiredevice detected by the system.
>>
>> I have been busy half a day on trying out different things, nothing
seems to have worked so far, so now I'll ask it through this mailing list:
how can I fix it?
>>
>> For starters, I have the output of ffado-diag added here, if that would
show interesting things to solve it. I see the new firewire stack is
present, not loaded on boot, not activated and /dev/raw1394 is not present.
>>
>> My guess that is the issue, so how do I get this stack loaded on boot,
active and with /dev/raw1394 node present, if that's necessary, and is it
the new firewire stack that I have to use in 13.10?
>>
>> FFADO diagnostic utility 2.1.-
>> 
>> (C) 2008 Pieter Palmers
>> 2009-2010 Arnold Krille
>>
>>
>> === CHECK ===
>>  Base system...
>>   kernel version 3.11.0-11-lowlatency
>> Preempt (low latency)... True
>> RT patched.. False
>>   old 1394 stack present False
>>   old 1394 stack loaded. False
>>   old 1394 stack active. False
>>   new 1394 stack present True
>>   new 1394 stack loaded. False
>>   new 1394 stack active. False
>>   /dev/raw1394 node present. False
>>   User IDs:
>> UID=1000(bart) GID=1000(bart)
groepen=1000(bart),4(adm),20(dialout),21(fax),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),33(www-data),44(video),46(plugdev),100(users),103(syslog),107(scanner),109(lpadmin),123(sambashare),124(debian-tor),128(vboxusers),65534(nogroup)
>>  Prerequisites (dynamic at run-time)...
>>gcc ... gcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.8.1-10ubuntu8) 4.8.1
>>g++ ... g++ (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.8.1-10ubuntu8) 4.8.1
>>PyQt4 (by pyuic4) . Python User Interface Compiler 4.10.3 for Qt
version 4.8.4
>>jackd . no message buffer overruns
>>  path  /usr/bin/jackd
>>  flags ... Package jack was not found in the pkg-config
search path.
>> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `jack.pc'
>> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
>> No package 'jack' found
>>libraw1394  Package libraw1394 was not found in the
pkg-config search path.
>> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libraw1394.pc'
>> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
>> No package 'libraw1394' found
>>  flags ... Package libraw1394 was not found in the
pkg-config search path.
>> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libraw1394.pc'
>> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable


>> No package 'libraw1394' found


>>libavc1394  Package libavc1394 was not found in the
pkg-config search path.

>> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libavc1394.pc'


>> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable


>> No package 'libavc1394' found
>>  flags ... Package libavc1394 was not found in the
pkg-config search path.
>> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libavc1394.pc'
>> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
>> No package 'libavc1394' found
>>libiec61883 ... Package libiec61883 was not found in the
pkg-config search path.
>> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libiec61883.pc'
>> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
>> No package 'libiec61883' found
>>  flags ... Package libiec61883 was not found in the
pkg-config search path.
>> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libiec61883.pc'
>> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
>> No package 'libiec61883' found
>>libxml++-2.6 .. Package libxml++-2.6 was not found in the
pkg-config search path.
>> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libxml++-2.6.pc'
>> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
>> No package 'libxml++-2.6' found
>>  flags 

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] An Offert to the State

[BA Huys]

Canonical does offer commercial support for vanilla Ubuntu.  It's on the
website.  I think that vanilla Ubuntu or Xubuntu would be the best options.
 The low latency in US will cause cause confusion, and to be honest, be a
bit of overkill. I have a setup of Xubuntu that I use to introduce folks to
Linux.  It's setup to mimic winxp cosmetically, and most users find it
close enough that they learn everything within a few hours.

My 2 cents.

Ben

Message sent on 100% recycled electrons.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013, Thijs van severen wrote:

> i dont see how ubuntu studio is going to replace microsoft products, but
> i'm all for it !!  ;-)
> i'm not sure if there is a group of people (within ubuntu) that is
> actively promoting ubuntu, but it might be worth finding out and passing
> this message
>
> i also think that it's mostly cases it's not microsoft or canonical that
> will attend these meetings, but some reseller or a company that offers
> support for microsoft or linux apps
>
> grtz
> Thijs
>
>
> BTW: stay optimistic!  it's contagious  :-
>
>
> 2013/11/7 Set Hallstrom  'sakrec...@gmail.com');>>
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> In September i decided to find out the total amount of money that the
>> state of Sweden spends on Microsoft and apple licenses/products each year.
>>
>> This took quite some time, but i got an estimate answer from the
>> department in charge: between 450-500 _million_ Swedish crowns _each
>> year_ (69'291'450.00 US Dollar). This sum is _only_ regarding Microsoft
>> licenses.
>>
>> I've also been told that there is a regular meeting where investors and
>> computer related whatnots are invited to present solutions and offers.
>> (I’m still expecting the exact date of this).
>>
>> So i was wondering:
>>
>> - Should we organize the presence of Ubuntustudio at that meeting? Or
>> should this be brought to the attention of Ubuntu as a whole (if not
>> already aware)?
>> - Would/Could this be a bad thing for Ubuntustudio?
>> - And if it's a good thing: who is in? :)
>> - Has there been any previous attempts that we could learn from?
>>
>> Obviously, since this is in Sweden, it would be good if some swedes
>> responded, but hey! Europe is a union now isn't it? And Ubuntu is
>> worldwide, unlike some U.S. devi.. hrm.. devels ;)
>>
>> Now, let me be straight: i'm aware GNU/Linux exists since way before i
>> stopped playing NES, that i don't know even half of what has been
>> attempted until today and also that i have no intention to become some
>> wannabe messiah or nextlevel Stallman (i'm just a happy post-n00b
>> computing in freedom). I know big money can be devastating for projects
>> like ubuntustudio, and i am ready to eat any negative criticism like a
>> good boy. My interest in this investigation is the betterment of my
>> community, which by definition cannot be achieved by a single person.
>>
>> Yours optimystically,
>> --
>> Set Hallstrom
>> AKA Sakrecoer
>> http://sakrecoer.com
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] firewire broken after upgrade

[Mac]

Thank you. The package will make it much faster for me to try your patch.

Otherwise I'd need to re-learn how to build the svn trunk...I have done it
before...just been a couple years.

I might be able to test this this weekend.


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Takashi Sakamoto
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm a developer of FFADO upstream and recently work for improvement of
> AudioFire driver. This year, I spend much hours with Ubuntu Studio and
> low-latency kernel for my developing and have no problems about host
> controller.
>
> > bart
>
> As a quick grance of your logs, firewire_ohci/firewire_core is not loaded.
> So let's try to modprobe them. Then check if character devices exists
> (/dev/fw*).
>
> If you can see /dev/fw0 and /dev/fw1, FFADO can driver your AudioFire.
>
> > Mac and Kaj
>
> I confirmed that FFADO cannot drive AudioFire12 (and maybe AudioFire8)
> with firmware version 5.2.1 or later. Recently I committed my workaround
> for this issue to revision 2451-2453 and need testers. Would you please
> test the recent FFADO? You can get debian package for lucid and saucy from
> my PPA.
> https://launchpad.net/~mocchi/+archive/instruments
>
> If you need package for other Ubuntu version, please inform me. I'll
> upload it into my PPA.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Takashi Sakamoto
>
> (2013年11月06日 06:32), bart deruyter wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> last attempt to find help before I do a fresh install:
>>
>> I have quite an issue with my audiofire12 (firewiredevice) since I
>> upgraded to 13.10. Firewire worked at first, but yesterday morning there
>> was 'nothing', no sound, no firewiredevice detected by the system.
>>
>> I have been busy half a day on trying out different things, nothing
>> seems to have worked so far, so now I'll ask it through this mailing
>> list: how can I fix it?
>>
>> For starters, I have the output of ffado-diag added here, if that would
>> show interesting things to solve it. I see the new firewire stack is
>> present, not loaded on boot, not activated and /dev/raw1394 is not
>> present.
>>
>> My guess that is the issue, so how do I get this stack loaded on boot,
>> active and with /dev/raw1394 node present, if that's necessary, and is
>> it the new firewire stack that I have to use in 13.10?
>>
>> FFADO diagnostic utility 2.1.-
>> 
>> (C) 2008 Pieter Palmers
>>  2009-2010 Arnold Krille
>>
>>
>> === CHECK ===
>>   Base system...
>>kernel version 3.11.0-11-lowlatency
>>  Preempt (low latency)... True
>>  RT patched.. False
>>old 1394 stack present False
>>old 1394 stack loaded. False
>>old 1394 stack active. False
>>new 1394 stack present True
>>new 1394 stack loaded. False
>>new 1394 stack active. False
>>/dev/raw1394 node present. False
>>User IDs:
>> UID=1000(bart) GID=1000(bart)
>> groepen=1000(bart),4(adm),20(dialout),21(fax),24(cdrom),25(
>> floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),33(www-data),44(video),
>> 46(plugdev),100(users),103(syslog),107(scanner),109(
>> lpadmin),123(sambashare),124(debian-tor),128(vboxusers),65534(nogroup)
>>   Prerequisites (dynamic at run-time)...
>> gcc ... gcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.8.1-10ubuntu8) 4.8.1
>> g++ ... g++ (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.8.1-10ubuntu8) 4.8.1
>> PyQt4 (by pyuic4) . Python User Interface Compiler 4.10.3 for Qt
>> version 4.8.4
>> jackd . no message buffer overruns
>>   path  /usr/bin/jackd
>>   flags ... Package jack was not found in the pkg-config
>> search path.
>> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `jack.pc'
>> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
>> No package 'jack' found
>> libraw1394  Package libraw1394 was not found in the
>> pkg-config search path.
>> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libraw1394.pc'
>> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
>> No package 'libraw1394' found
>>   flags ... Package libraw1394 was not found in the
>> pkg-config search path.
>> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libraw1394.pc'
>> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
>> No package 'libraw1394' found
>> libavc1394  Package libavc1394 was not found in the
>> pkg-config search path.
>> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libavc1394.pc'
>> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
>> No package 'libavc1394' found
>>   flags ... Package libavc1394 was not found in the
>> pkg-config search path.
>> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libavc1394.pc'
>> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
>> No package 'libavc1394' found
>> libiec61883 ... Package libiec61883 was not found in the
>> pkg-config search path.
>> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libiec61883.pc'
>> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
>> No package 'libiec61883' found
>>   flags ... Package libiec61883 was not found in the
>> 

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] An Offert to the State

[Jimmy Sjölund]

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Set Hallstrom  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> In September i decided to find out the total amount of money that the
> state of Sweden spends on Microsoft and apple licenses/products each year.
>
> This took quite some time, but i got an estimate answer from the
> department in charge: between 450-500 _million_ Swedish crowns _each
> year_ (69'291'450.00 US Dollar). This sum is _only_ regarding Microsoft
> licenses.
>
> I've also been told that there is a regular meeting where investors and
> computer related whatnots are invited to present solutions and offers.
> (I’m still expecting the exact date of this).
>
> So i was wondering:
>
> - Should we organize the presence of Ubuntustudio at that meeting? Or
> should this be brought to the attention of Ubuntu as a whole (if not
> already aware)?
> - Would/Could this be a bad thing for Ubuntustudio?
> - And if it's a good thing: who is in? :)
> - Has there been any previous attempts that we could learn from?
>
> Obviously, since this is in Sweden, it would be good if some swedes
> responded, but hey! Europe is a union now isn't it? And Ubuntu is
> worldwide, unlike some U.S. devi.. hrm.. devels ;)
>
> Now, let me be straight: i'm aware GNU/Linux exists since way before i
> stopped playing NES, that i don't know even half of what has been
> attempted until today and also that i have no intention to become some
> wannabe messiah or nextlevel Stallman (i'm just a happy post-n00b
> computing in freedom). I know big money can be devastating for projects
> like ubuntustudio, and i am ready to eat any negative criticism like a
> good boy. My interest in this investigation is the betterment of my
> community, which by definition cannot be achieved by a single person.


I think that promoting Ubuntu Studio might be hard, but promoting
Xubuntu/Lubuntu/Ubuntu might be a better approach. Then one would also have
several references to point out in the rest of Europe where a change have
had positive reactions.

I think the hardest part will be to convince people on the cost of
re-training everyone and make sure all old applications and templates will
work or be able to be transferred.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] firewire broken after upgrade

[bart deruyter]

I installed and tried 3.5.0-17-lowlatency kernel to check if that would
work, it does not... next step, older version of ffado?


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2013/11/7 bart deruyter 

> thanks for the info Kaj,
>
> I'll look into the older lowlatency packages.
>
> grtz,
>
> Bart
>
> http://www.bartart3d.be/
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>
>
> 2013/11/7 Kaj Ailomaa 
>
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013, at 10:06 PM, bart deruyter wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I have made several more attempts, checking the blacklist-firewire file,
>> > the lib/udev/ffado.rules file, rebooting, reïnstalling... nothing seems
>> > to
>> > help.
>> > The end of the ffado-diag report does say :
>> >
>> > === REPORT ===
>> > FireWire kernel drivers:
>> >
>> > FireWire kernel stack not present. Please compile the kernel with
>> > FireWire support.
>> >
>> > loading  the module firewire-ohci by: modprobe firewire-ohci does load
>> > the
>> > module, but doesn't activate it.
>> >
>> > I'm starting to guess there is something wrong with the comping of the
>> > kernel... it's not a custom compiled kernel, it comes straight out of
>> > synaptic. Maybe there is the core of the issue?
>> >
>> > Would a bug-report be appropriate now?
>>
>> I don't have the same issue with the recent kernel, so it's not the
>> kernel.
>> The message is puzzling, since you do have the stack. It is there, just
>> not active in your case.
>> I would suspect a hardware problem. And that could be related to the
>> kernel version, that the most recent firewire drivers don't work on your
>> hardware.
>>
>> You could just download and install an older kernel version and see if
>> that makes a difference.
>> You can find all the packages for linux-lowlatency here
>> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lowlatency
>>
>> For me, the stack is present and loaded.
>>
>> Check with the ffado folks on their mail list if you can find out
>> something more.
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] An Offert to the State

[Thijs van severen]

i dont see how ubuntu studio is going to replace microsoft products, but
i'm all for it !!  ;-)
i'm not sure if there is a group of people (within ubuntu) that is actively
promoting ubuntu, but it might be worth finding out and passing this message

i also think that it's mostly cases it's not microsoft or canonical that
will attend these meetings, but some reseller or a company that offers
support for microsoft or linux apps

grtz
Thijs


BTW: stay optimistic!  it's contagious  :-)



2013/11/7 Set Hallstrom 

> Hi All,
>
> In September i decided to find out the total amount of money that the
> state of Sweden spends on Microsoft and apple licenses/products each year.
>
> This took quite some time, but i got an estimate answer from the
> department in charge: between 450-500 _million_ Swedish crowns _each
> year_ (69'291'450.00 US Dollar). This sum is _only_ regarding Microsoft
> licenses.
>
> I've also been told that there is a regular meeting where investors and
> computer related whatnots are invited to present solutions and offers.
> (I’m still expecting the exact date of this).
>
> So i was wondering:
>
> - Should we organize the presence of Ubuntustudio at that meeting? Or
> should this be brought to the attention of Ubuntu as a whole (if not
> already aware)?
> - Would/Could this be a bad thing for Ubuntustudio?
> - And if it's a good thing: who is in? :)
> - Has there been any previous attempts that we could learn from?
>
> Obviously, since this is in Sweden, it would be good if some swedes
> responded, but hey! Europe is a union now isn't it? And Ubuntu is
> worldwide, unlike some U.S. devi.. hrm.. devels ;)
>
> Now, let me be straight: i'm aware GNU/Linux exists since way before i
> stopped playing NES, that i don't know even half of what has been
> attempted until today and also that i have no intention to become some
> wannabe messiah or nextlevel Stallman (i'm just a happy post-n00b
> computing in freedom). I know big money can be devastating for projects
> like ubuntustudio, and i am ready to eat any negative criticism like a
> good boy. My interest in this investigation is the betterment of my
> community, which by definition cannot be achieved by a single person.
>
> Yours optimystically,
> --
> Set Hallstrom
> AKA Sakrecoer
> http://sakrecoer.com
>
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[ubuntu-studio-users] An Offert to the State

[Set Hallstrom]

Hi All,

In September i decided to find out the total amount of money that the
state of Sweden spends on Microsoft and apple licenses/products each year.

This took quite some time, but i got an estimate answer from the
department in charge: between 450-500 _million_ Swedish crowns _each
year_ (69'291'450.00 US Dollar). This sum is _only_ regarding Microsoft
licenses.

I've also been told that there is a regular meeting where investors and
computer related whatnots are invited to present solutions and offers.
(I’m still expecting the exact date of this).

So i was wondering:

- Should we organize the presence of Ubuntustudio at that meeting? Or
should this be brought to the attention of Ubuntu as a whole (if not
already aware)?
- Would/Could this be a bad thing for Ubuntustudio?
- And if it's a good thing: who is in? :)
- Has there been any previous attempts that we could learn from?

Obviously, since this is in Sweden, it would be good if some swedes
responded, but hey! Europe is a union now isn't it? And Ubuntu is
worldwide, unlike some U.S. devi.. hrm.. devels ;)

Now, let me be straight: i'm aware GNU/Linux exists since way before i
stopped playing NES, that i don't know even half of what has been
attempted until today and also that i have no intention to become some
wannabe messiah or nextlevel Stallman (i'm just a happy post-n00b
computing in freedom). I know big money can be devastating for projects
like ubuntustudio, and i am ready to eat any negative criticism like a
good boy. My interest in this investigation is the betterment of my
community, which by definition cannot be achieved by a single person.

Yours optimystically,
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] firewire broken after upgrade

[bart deruyter]

thanks for the info Kaj,

I'll look into the older lowlatency packages.

grtz,

Bart

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2013/11/7 Kaj Ailomaa 

> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013, at 10:06 PM, bart deruyter wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have made several more attempts, checking the blacklist-firewire file,
> > the lib/udev/ffado.rules file, rebooting, reïnstalling... nothing seems
> > to
> > help.
> > The end of the ffado-diag report does say :
> >
> > === REPORT ===
> > FireWire kernel drivers:
> >
> > FireWire kernel stack not present. Please compile the kernel with
> > FireWire support.
> >
> > loading  the module firewire-ohci by: modprobe firewire-ohci does load
> > the
> > module, but doesn't activate it.
> >
> > I'm starting to guess there is something wrong with the comping of the
> > kernel... it's not a custom compiled kernel, it comes straight out of
> > synaptic. Maybe there is the core of the issue?
> >
> > Would a bug-report be appropriate now?
>
> I don't have the same issue with the recent kernel, so it's not the
> kernel.
> The message is puzzling, since you do have the stack. It is there, just
> not active in your case.
> I would suspect a hardware problem. And that could be related to the
> kernel version, that the most recent firewire drivers don't work on your
> hardware.
>
> You could just download and install an older kernel version and see if
> that makes a difference.
> You can find all the packages for linux-lowlatency here
> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lowlatency
>
> For me, the stack is present and loaded.
>
> Check with the ffado folks on their mail list if you can find out
> something more.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] firewire broken after upgrade

[bart deruyter]

Thanks for the info Takashi,

I tried what you suggested:
sudo modprobe firewire_ohci

ffado-diag tells me then the new 1394 is loaded, but not active

sudo modprobe firewire_core
doesn't result in anything

I now connected my video camera, as firewiredevice, to check if it might be
my audiofire12 being broken, but it does not get recognized anymore either.

trying:
ls /dev doesn't show any fw devices after loading the firewire_ohci module.

I'm starting to guess if it would be the firewire ports itself that are not
active for some reason...

Grtz,

Bart


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2013/11/7 Takashi Sakamoto 

> Hi,
>
> I'm a developer of FFADO upstream and recently work for improvement of
> AudioFire driver. This year, I spend much hours with Ubuntu Studio and
> low-latency kernel for my developing and have no problems about host
> controller.
>
> > bart
>
> As a quick grance of your logs, firewire_ohci/firewire_core is not loaded.
> So let's try to modprobe them. Then check if character devices exists
> (/dev/fw*).
>
> If you can see /dev/fw0 and /dev/fw1, FFADO can driver your AudioFire.
>
> > Mac and Kaj
>
> I confirmed that FFADO cannot drive AudioFire12 (and maybe AudioFire8)
> with firmware version 5.2.1 or later. Recently I committed my workaround
> for this issue to revision 2451-2453 and need testers. Would you please
> test the recent FFADO? You can get debian package for lucid and saucy from
> my PPA.
> https://launchpad.net/~mocchi/+archive/instruments
>
> If you need package for other Ubuntu version, please inform me. I'll
> upload it into my PPA.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Takashi Sakamoto
>
>
> (2013年11月06日 06:32), bart deruyter wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> last attempt to find help before I do a fresh install:
>>
>> I have quite an issue with my audiofire12 (firewiredevice) since I
>> upgraded to 13.10. Firewire worked at first, but yesterday morning there
>> was 'nothing', no sound, no firewiredevice detected by the system.
>>
>> I have been busy half a day on trying out different things, nothing
>> seems to have worked so far, so now I'll ask it through this mailing
>> list: how can I fix it?
>>
>> For starters, I have the output of ffado-diag added here, if that would
>> show interesting things to solve it. I see the new firewire stack is
>> present, not loaded on boot, not activated and /dev/raw1394 is not
>> present.
>>
>> My guess that is the issue, so how do I get this stack loaded on boot,
>> active and with /dev/raw1394 node present, if that's necessary, and is
>> it the new firewire stack that I have to use in 13.10?
>>
>> FFADO diagnostic utility 2.1.-
>> 
>> (C) 2008 Pieter Palmers
>>  2009-2010 Arnold Krille
>>
>>
>> === CHECK ===
>>   Base system...
>>kernel version 3.11.0-11-lowlatency
>>  Preempt (low latency)... True
>>  RT patched.. False
>>old 1394 stack present False
>>old 1394 stack loaded. False
>>old 1394 stack active. False
>>new 1394 stack present True
>>new 1394 stack loaded. False
>>new 1394 stack active. False
>>/dev/raw1394 node present. False
>>User IDs:
>> UID=1000(bart) GID=1000(bart)
>> groepen=1000(bart),4(adm),20(dialout),21(fax),24(cdrom),25(
>> floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),33(www-data),44(video),
>> 46(plugdev),100(users),103(syslog),107(scanner),109(
>> lpadmin),123(sambashare),124(debian-tor),128(vboxusers),65534(nogroup)
>>   Prerequisites (dynamic at run-time)...
>> gcc ... gcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.8.1-10ubuntu8) 4.8.1
>> g++ ... g++ (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.8.1-10ubuntu8) 4.8.1
>> PyQt4 (by pyuic4) . Python User Interface Compiler 4.10.3 for Qt
>> version 4.8.4
>> jackd . no message buffer overruns
>>   path  /usr/bin/jackd
>>   flags ... Package jack was not found in the pkg-config
>> search path.
>> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `jack.pc'
>> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
>> No package 'jack' found
>> libraw1394  Package libraw1394 was not found in the
>> pkg-config search path.
>> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libraw1394.pc'
>> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
>> No package 'libraw1394' found
>>   flags ... Package libraw1394 was not found in the
>> pkg-config search path.
>> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libraw1394.pc'
>> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
>> No package 'libraw1394' found
>> libavc1394  Package libavc1394 was not found in the
>> pkg-config search path.
>> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libavc1394.pc'
>> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
>> No package 'libavc1394' f