Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-(
It says "the sites are believed to be..." So maybe, but maybe not. The best way to know for sure is to try. I tried and torrent works much better for me. I find it hard to believe the assertion about minority/majority... It implies that you actually counted. On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 06:18:58 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:37:39 +0800, Roberto Verzola wrote: > >On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:37:08 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 09:18:10 -0400, Lawrence H. Bulk wrote: > >> >(On July 21, it will be much faster if you download the new > >> >release via a Torrent.) > >> > >> Some ISPs throttle speed for torrent usage. Using torrent could slow > >> down a download very much. > >If a torrent version is available, it is the most efficient way to > >download because you are getting pieces of the file not from a single > >server but from other users who are also downloading or who have > >already downloaded the file. > > It's absolutely not efficient, if the download is throttled. > > Here is a worldwide list of ISPs known to shape torrent traffic, > https://wiki.vuze.com/w/Bad_ISPs . > > For example only one of the listed provider in Germany throttles, but de > facto all of them shape torrent traffic in Germany by the Tier > hierarchy, https://wiki.vuze.com/w/Bad_ISPs#Germany . > > AFAIK torrent is efficient for a minority of Internet users only. > > Regards, > Ralf > > -- > ubuntu-studio-users mailing list > ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > -- Roberto Verzola -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-(
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:37:39 +0800, Roberto Verzola wrote: >On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:37:08 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 09:18:10 -0400, Lawrence H. Bulk wrote: >> >(On July 21, it will be much faster if you download the new >> >release via a Torrent.) >> >> Some ISPs throttle speed for torrent usage. Using torrent could slow >> down a download very much. >If a torrent version is available, it is the most efficient way to >download because you are getting pieces of the file not from a single >server but from other users who are also downloading or who have >already downloaded the file. It's absolutely not efficient, if the download is throttled. Here is a worldwide list of ISPs known to shape torrent traffic, https://wiki.vuze.com/w/Bad_ISPs . For example only one of the listed provider in Germany throttles, but de facto all of them shape torrent traffic in Germany by the Tier hierarchy, https://wiki.vuze.com/w/Bad_ISPs#Germany . AFAIK torrent is efficient for a minority of Internet users only. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-(
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:35:09 +0800, Roberto Verzola wrote: >> On Wed, 2016-06-29 at 20:24 +0800, Roberto Verzola wrote: >> > Try upgrading to 15.04 first, and then upgrade to 16.04. >> No, the OP better considers to use methods that are described by >> "quasi official" manuals. IOW one way is to add the -d option >> to do-release- upgrade: >> >> sudo do-release-upgrade -d >If 14.04 offers you an upgrade to 15.04 only (not 16.04), say yes. >Then under 15.04, upgrade to 16.04. No, the OP still should consider to follow official advises. "do-release-upgrade -d" does the job, so for what reason shouldn't the OP do a LTS upgrade, but instead first upgrade to a non LTS release? -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-(
If a torrent version is available, it is the most efficient way to download because you are getting pieces of the file not from a single server but from other users who are also downloading or who have already downloaded the file. On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:37:08 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 09:18:10 -0400, Lawrence H. Bulk wrote: > >(On July 21, it will be much faster if you download the new > >release via a Torrent.) > > Some ISPs throttle speed for torrent usage. Using torrent could slow > down a download very much. > > >I also make a list of all of my extra installed programs > > The package management provides tools to make such lists. > > Consider to read all follow-ups of > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2016-May/285271.html > since there are several ways to get such a list, with pros and cons > depending to the way you set up your install. > > Also be aware that 14.04 does use another init system, than 16.04 LTS > does, so at least expect that there could be some changes. Also keep in > mind that some software might have changed a lot within the last years > and it might automatically convert data for usage with the new > releases, but can't convert the data back for usage with old versions. > > Regards, > Ralf > > -- > ubuntu-studio-users mailing list > ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > -- Roberto Verzola -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-(
Whenever I make a fresh install, I usually repartition my hard disk and, under manual partitioning, create 3 or 4 8-9 Gig partitions and one big partition which is mounted as /home. I use the 3 or 4 smaller partitions for various distros. One for my old working distro, the others for a new version of the distro or even another distro altogether. Thus, I can retain my old version while installing a newer version, and my old data, mounted as /home, will still be there. This also allows me to try other distros, in case they turn out to be better. Roberto Verzola On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 09:20:13 -0400 sci...@vex.net wrote: > Thanks for your help. Looks like I'll wait until July 1. > > Paul King > > > Original Message > > Subject: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-( > > Local Time: June 29, 2016 1:58 PM > > UTC Time: June 29, 2016 11:58 AM > > From: sci...@vex.net > > To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > > > > Hello > > > > The software updater hasn't offered an upgrade from my current 14.x > > version of Ubuntu Studio. I have tried to coax an upgrade to version 16.04 > > in the settings, but all it is offering me is version 15. Any ideas as to > > how to fix this to get the latest upgrade? > > > > Usually the upgrade option from LTS to LTS will not be triggered until the > > first .1 release, 16.04.1 which is due release late July (I think). > > > > /Jimmy-- > > ubuntu-studio-users mailing list > > ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > > > > > > -- > ubuntu-studio-users mailing list > ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > -- Roberto Verzola -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-(
If 14.04 offers you an upgrade to 15.04 only (not 16.04), say yes. Then under 15.04, upgrade to 16.04. > On Wed, 2016-06-29 at 20:24 +0800, Roberto Verzola wrote: > > Try upgrading to 15.04 first, and then upgrade to 16.04. > > No, the OP better considers to use methods that are described by "quasi > official" manuals. IOW one way is to add the -d option to do-release- > upgrade: > > sudo do-release-upgrade -d > > Maybe sudo isn't needed and the script asks for the password, however, > it shouldn't harm to run sudo ;). > > Anyway, there is a reason that by default the upgrade is offered for the > first dot release, so the OP should consider to wait for the dot > release. Reading the explanations provided by manuals and howtos is > strongly recommended and it doesn't harm to backup the complete nstall > first, not only the user data. > > Regards, > Ralf > > -- > ubuntu-studio-users mailing list > ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Roberto Verzola -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-(
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 09:18:10 -0400, Lawrence H. Bulk wrote: > >(On July 21, it will be much faster if you download the new > >release via a Torrent.) > > Some ISPs throttle speed for torrent usage. Using torrent could slow > down a download very much. > > Regards, > Ralf > You are correct that some ISPs throttle torrent speed downloads. But mine doesn't and I believe that most ISPs will not do this, especially as the torrent site used for Ubuntu Studio is not a known "file-sharing" site. Using a torrent is worth a try. If you find it to be slow, you can always cancel the download and just go back to a regular mirror site. Lawrence > > -- > ubuntu-studio-users mailing list > ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-(
I guess that should be July 21 (probably 1 August for me by that time). Paul > Thanks for your help. Looks like I'll wait until July 1. > > Paul King -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-(
On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:37:08 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 09:18:10 -0400, Lawrence H. Bulk wrote: >>(On July 21, it will be much faster if you download the new >>release via a Torrent.) > >Some ISPs throttle speed for torrent usage. Using torrent could slow >down a download very much. > >>I also make a list of all of my extra installed programs > >The package management provides tools to make such lists. > >Consider to read all follow-ups of >https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2016-May/285271.html >since there are several ways to get such a list, with pros and cons >depending to the way you set up your install. > >Also be aware that 14.04 does use another init system, than 16.04 LTS >does, so at least expect that there could be some changes. Also keep in >mind that some software might have changed a lot within the last years >and it might automatically convert data for usage with the new >releases, but can't convert the data back for usage with old versions. PS: JFTR there are several pitfalls caused by lists, e.g. some software might be split to more packages, than it was split by an older Ubuntu release and the new packages might have become suggested and not recommended packages, so some functionality of software could only be available, if the user cares about it. Reading release notes of the most important software doesn't harm. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-(
On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 09:18:10 -0400, Lawrence H. Bulk wrote: >(On July 21, it will be much faster if you download the new >release via a Torrent.) Some ISPs throttle speed for torrent usage. Using torrent could slow down a download very much. >I also make a list of all of my extra installed programs The package management provides tools to make such lists. Consider to read all follow-ups of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2016-May/285271.html since there are several ways to get such a list, with pros and cons depending to the way you set up your install. Also be aware that 14.04 does use another init system, than 16.04 LTS does, so at least expect that there could be some changes. Also keep in mind that some software might have changed a lot within the last years and it might automatically convert data for usage with the new releases, but can't convert the data back for usage with old versions. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-(
Thanks for your help. Looks like I'll wait until July 1. Paul King > Original Message > Subject: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-( > Local Time: June 29, 2016 1:58 PM > UTC Time: June 29, 2016 11:58 AM > From: sci...@vex.net > To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > > Hello > > The software updater hasn't offered an upgrade from my current 14.x > version of Ubuntu Studio. I have tried to coax an upgrade to version 16.04 > in the settings, but all it is offering me is version 15. Any ideas as to > how to fix this to get the latest upgrade? > > Usually the upgrade option from LTS to LTS will not be triggered until the > first .1 release, 16.04.1 which is due release late July (I think). > > /Jimmy-- > ubuntu-studio-users mailing list > ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-(
Dear Mr. King, It's best to wait until the 'official' update which will come when the first point release (16.04.1) is made available. This will occur on July 21, 2016. I myself will wait a few days after that before updating as the servers will probably be overloaded with everyone trying to update at the same time. I always recommend downloading and burning to a disc (or transferring to a USB drive) that point release PRIOR to actually updating, just in case something goes wrong (and that has happened to me). By preparing an installation medium, you can effect a re-installation with the new release. (On July 21, it will be much faster if you download the new release via a Torrent.) ALWAYS make sure you have backed up EVERYTHING to an external hard drive PRIOR to upgrading the operating system. That way, if something does go wrong, you will still have all of your folders, files, etc. and they can be transferred to your new fresh installation (if that is required). I also make a list of all of my extra installed programs (it is not necessary to list those which are installed by default) and I also create a screenshot of all of my extra PPAs so I can easily add them as well. In my case I make my program list on paper but one could also create an ODT or PDF document. Either way, with a list of these programs and a list of the PPAs, it is easy (if a bit time-consuming) to restore your computer to the state you had previously. I hope this helps you. Lawrence On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:58 AM, wrote: > Hello > > The software updater hasn't offered an upgrade from my current 14.x > version of Ubuntu Studio. I have tried to coax an upgrade to version 16.04 > in the settings, but all it is offering me is version 15. Any ideas as to > how to fix this to get the latest upgrade? > > Paul King > > > -- > ubuntu-studio-users mailing list > ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-(
On Wed, 2016-06-29 at 20:24 +0800, Roberto Verzola wrote: > Try upgrading to 15.04 first, and then upgrade to 16.04. No, the OP better considers to use methods that are described by "quasi official" manuals. IOW one way is to add the -d option to do-release- upgrade: sudo do-release-upgrade -d Maybe sudo isn't needed and the script asks for the password, however, it shouldn't harm to run sudo ;). Anyway, there is a reason that by default the upgrade is offered for the first dot release, so the OP should consider to wait for the dot release. Reading the explanations provided by manuals and howtos is strongly recommended and it doesn't harm to backup the complete nstall first, not only the user data. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-(
Try upgrading to 15.04 first, and then upgrade to 16.04. Roberto Verzola On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 07:58:40 -0400 sci...@vex.net wrote: > Hello > > The software updater hasn't offered an upgrade from my current 14.x > version of Ubuntu Studio. I have tried to coax an upgrade to version 16.04 > in the settings, but all it is offering me is version 15. Any ideas as to > how to fix this to get the latest upgrade? > > Paul King > > > -- > ubuntu-studio-users mailing list > ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > -- Roberto Verzola -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-(
On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 07:58:40 -0400, sci...@vex.net wrote: >The software updater hasn't offered an upgrade from my current 14.x >version of Ubuntu Studio. I have tried to coax an upgrade to version >16.04 in the settings, but all it is offering me is version 15. Any >ideas as to how to fix this to get the latest upgrade? Consider to use a search engine and to read the Ubuntu Wiki/help/askubuntu/mailing list archive. By default upgrades from one LTS release to the next LTS are only possible, as soon as the first dot release of the next LTS is available. IOW as soon as 16.04.1 is available. It's explained here and each good search engine provides it as one of the first hits: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html "For further stability of a LTS release there is a slight change in behaviour if you are currently running a LTS version. LTS systems are only automatically considered for an upgrade to the next LTS via do-release-upgrade with the first point release. So for example 14.04 will only upgrade once 16.04.1 is released. If you want to update before, e.g. on a subset of machines to evaluate the LTS upgrade for your setup the same argument as an upgrade to a dev release has to be used via the -d switch." And by the mailing list archive I already explained it this year: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-users/2016-May/010737.html Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-(
Original Message Subject: [ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-( Local Time: June 29, 2016 1:58 PM UTC Time: June 29, 2016 11:58 AM From: sci...@vex.net To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Hello The software updater hasn't offered an upgrade from my current 14.x version of Ubuntu Studio. I have tried to coax an upgrade to version 16.04 in the settings, but all it is offering me is version 15. Any ideas as to how to fix this to get the latest upgrade? Usually the upgrade option from LTS to LTS will not be triggered until the first .1 release, 16.04.1 which is due release late July (I think). /Jimmy-- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
[ubuntu-studio-users] Upgrading offers only 15.x :-(
Hello The software updater hasn't offered an upgrade from my current 14.x version of Ubuntu Studio. I have tried to coax an upgrade to version 16.04 in the settings, but all it is offering me is version 15. Any ideas as to how to fix this to get the latest upgrade? Paul King -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users