Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Proposal to sunset #ubuntustudio-offtopic

[Justin Love]

Thank you Enrich!!! I love Ubuntu Studio!! I switched from Windows 10 Pro a 
couple of years ago and have never looked back!!! Thank you for all you and 
your team do.

From: ubuntu-studio-users  on 
behalf of Erich Eickmeyer 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2023 2:15 PM
To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com 
; ubuntu-studio-de...@lists.ubuntu.com 

Subject: [ubuntu-studio-users] Proposal to sunset #ubuntustudio-offtopic

Hi all,

There was an incident the other day in which someone requested support
in the #ubuntustudio-offtopic IRC channel. I answered their question but
requested they move to #ubuntustudio since this gets more view (and is
properly logged), but instead of doing the right thing and doing what
was requested, this person decided to berate me, then threaten me which
then got them kicked out and banned for violating the Ubuntu Code of
Conduct, after which they continued to threaten me via private message,
which then got them reported to staff and, likely, K-lined.

This, however, did get me thinking: this isn't the first time people
have been confused about the purpose of #ubuntustudio-offtopic, though
this is the first time someone has been so verbally violent about it.
Additionally, #ubuntustudio-offtopic doesn't see much use other than
Krytarik correcting my grammar. :)

With that, I propose sunsetting #ubuntustudio-offtopic and combining it
with #ubuntustudio to make #ubuntustudio a support *and* discussion
channel, but anything other than the topic of Ubuntu Studio would be
requested to move to #ubuntu-offtopic for general chit-chat, as
#ubuntu-offtopic is a much more active room. The general idea is to
lower the confusion and to allow people to feel more welcome to discuss
Ubuntu Studio in our main chat.

Let me know your thoughts.

Thanks in advance,
Erich
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Project Lead - Ubuntu Studio
Technical Lead - Edubuntu


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04

[Justin Love]

Wow, sorry to see the confusion. I switched from windows 10 to Ubuntu then 
Ubuntu studio over two years ago. I absolutely love Ubuntu studio!!! I am not 
tech savvy at all and am old as dirt but love using this Ubuntu studio for 
running the Reaper daw for recording music. Wish I would have switched years 
ago. Windows is now just a bad memory for me. Thank you for the work you and 
your team do to make recording music enjoyable again!!

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From: ubuntu-studio-users  on 
behalf of Jon 
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2023 7:11:25 PM
To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04

Thanks Erich, and honestly, I don't read the release notes or pay too
much attention to the OS I use. For me, Linux is Linux, regardless of
the OS on top of it. I use your distro because it has all the A/V
utilites and graphic apps all in one well done OS.

Didn't mean to cause any issues, just for me, that is what I would have
done. I have been using Linux since before Debian existed, so I tend to
do things old school. Might not be the best way to do things but old
habits die hard and I am quickly becoming an old dog. :)

Jon

-Original Message-
From: Erich Eickmeyer 
Reply-To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 17:02:39 -0700

Yes, Jon. All of the above. That was spelled-out three years ago with
the release of Ubuntu Studio 20.04 LTS as well as with every subsequent
release since in the release notes (example from 22.04 LTS):

"Due to the change in desktop environment, direct upgrades to Ubuntu
Studio 22.04 LTS from versions prior to 21.10 are unsupported."

It really doesn't matter why. We came to this decision *as a team* (I
don't operate alone). The Lubuntu team had gone before us with the
switch from LXDE to LXQt and had to do the same thing by not supporting
direct upgrades from LXDE to LXQt either between 18.04 and 18.10 and
took their advice not to support direct, in-place upgrades. If we were
to switch default desktop environments, we would make the same decision
again. When switching desktop environments, there's just too much that
can go wrong during an upgrade.

This was in the release announcement for every release after 20.04. We
mentioned that we would not support direct, in-place upgrades. The
solution is backup and reinstall, no matter the desktop environment you
wish to stay with. This is because the metapackage "ubuntustudio-
desktop" *will* pull-in KDE Plasma components beginning with 20.10, so
those wishing to stay with Xfce need to backup and install Xubuntu +
Ubuntu Studio Installer, while those wishing to go the KDE Plasma route
need to backup and install Ubuntu Studio.

All of this was outlined in the release announcements, the release
notes, and everything for the past three years, so this should come as
zero surprise. The release announcement was sent-out via this very
mailing list and was syndicated via Twitter, Facebook, Mastodon, and
Planet Ubuntu. I don't know how on earth this could have been announced
any louder or clearer.
--
Erich Eickmeyer
Project Leader - Ubuntu Studio
Technical Lead - Edubuntu

On Sat, Apr 29 2023 at 06:41:25 PM -05:00:00, Jon 
wrote:
> Ok, sorry Erich.
>
> So the solution is to back everything up on your current OS and
> install
> an entirely new OS to be able to get XFCE instead of just installing
> XFCE? I'm ok if that is the solution, as the maintainer you must have
> a
> good reason to do so, i.e. removing unused software, multiple
> dependencies for the software, being able to support users without
> trying to determine if it is the install of XFCE causing issues, etc.
>
> Jon
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Erich Eickmeyer 
> Reply-To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 15:40:24 -0700
>
> What on Earth is going on in this thread? Have any of you been paying
> attention to https://ubuntustudio.org/news for the past 3 years?
>
> We have a quick an easy solution to this! If you don't want KDE's
> Plasma Desktop, there's a very simple solution.
>
> 1) Install Xubuntu (for the Xfce Desktop)
> 2) Install ubuntustudio-installer
> 3) Install what you need for Ubuntu Studio using Ubuntu Studio
> Installer!
>
> This is all outlined
> on https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/ and linked to
> from
> the front page of https://ubuntustudio.org! There's no need to go
> through all of the stuff you're going through!
>
> I don't know why, for the life of me, people don't simply check the
> website where they got the software to begin with to see if maybe,
> just
> *maybe* there's a simple solution!
>
> I have been working on making Ubuntu Studio simpler for *everyone*
> for
> the past 5 years and this is what I see? People not paying attention?