RE: mastering
You really should check-out Ardour. It can do all this and more and despite the myths that are stalking the net it offers a friendly, intuitive GUI to do all this as easy as possible for such a complicated task. I'll try Ardour, but it might be a bit too complicated for this particular task. (I keep mixing and mastering completely separate.) Still, if it gets the job done... It would be nice if you could do this in Audacity, since it's pretty good for two-track editing. Oh, well. Time to file another feature request, I suppose. -Karlheinz ___ http://www.khznoise.com _ Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+gamesscope=cashbackform=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1-- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
RE: Plugin GUI's and Ubu love
Just a quick note, Karlheinz. There IS a Linux standard for plug-in GUIs. It is called LV2 (http://lv2plug.in/) It is fairly new, but seems to be promising. I've used some LV2 plug-ins, and they're pretty cool. This is good news. I heard some vague rumblings about this a while ago, but I didn't know it was actually happening. Hopefully a lot of software will implement it soon. If I actually get good at C++, maybe I'll even try my hand at porting a few open-source VST's. There was this guy named Richard Brooks, who created a bunch of knob and slider images (for a Win program called SynthEdit, which I still use). His site's gone now, but I still have those images somewhere. Maybe I can convince him to make them CC, if I can find him... Speaking of Windows programs, there's a feature I use in WaveLab that I haven't been able to find in any FOSS software. That program has something called a master section, which is basically just a bunch of slots for plugins. They all effect the sound in real-time, and when you've tweaked them to your liking, you hit a button called Render and it processes the active wave files in non-real-time. I know about stuff like JackRack, but AFAIK you can't render to a wave file except in real time. Also, using Audacity, you can only render one effect at a time, and you can't listen to it in real time (e.g. to edit the file with the effects on). Anyone know of a tool that does this? It makes mastering a lot easier. I kind of hope the 'nick' sticks: UbuStu (perhaps it has been used before, but this is the first time I have noticed it(?). I'm not the one who came up with it, but I don't remember who did. I like the Pere Ubu connotations. And, thanks for the kind words. I'm deliberately avoiding writing about the whole Linux usability stance. I think by now I've made whatever point I could make. -Karlheinz___http://www.khznoise.com _ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7secslideid=1media=aero-shake-7secondlistid=1stop=1ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009-- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
RE: Ubuntu-Studio-users Digest, Vol 32, Issue 7
Hey, all. I guess I've helped open up a can of worms here. Sorry about that. I do want to reply, but I should preface this by saying that this is not any sort of personal criticism against UbuStu or any of the people involved in the distro. I'm only starting to code, and I'm only beginning to understand the hard work and headaches that are involved in something like UbuStu, so a big THANK YOU to all that make it happen. Now, to the replies... Also I read that we should look at the MACintosh to see how it works, because everyone in the industry use it for years, and it is solid etc... If you're making an A/V distro, it makes sense that you should know what most A/V users use, and why they use them. Simple, really. And why they use those tools really boils down to two things: ease of use, and stability... which are intimately related. Well This is a little bit disturbing indeed, because, normally there are very few inputs to the DEV team. very few ideas and test cases etc. But i see a lot of people complaining. And this nobody can deny. Peple come and just complain, instead of describing the error or the feature etc. If a user is complaining, it means that you're not doing your job as a programmer - simple as that. To everyone's credit, the usual response is not shut up, but give me more details. Anyone who's been on this list for a while knows that I started out being a total asshat (yes, even more than now), but calmed down when I actually received help. That's usually the way it goes, and ignoring the complainers will just lead to more complaining. So instead of flaming the linux geeks about the suposed easy of use and the features needed I propose to make a list of ideas and features to bring to Ubuntustudio. I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. I've given some general opinions, so I'll get more specific: - UbuStu should ideally run perfectly on install, without having to know about any config file editing or command-line use whatsoever. If a user has to take their hand off the mouse, you've failed. - A/V is unfortunately not very open source at the moment, so should allow for easy installation of stuff that is not open. Obviously it wouldn't be included in the distro, but at some point in the setup non-open programs should be made available. One obvious example is to install Wine and auto-config it to use VST's out of the box. - Documentation should be easily available, possibly as a seperate listing in the UbuStu launch menu. It should be trivial to RTFM. - With the exception of non-distributable programs (i.e. stuff that's not open), everything should be available without an internet connection. (Many folks use audio programs in a computer in their practice space; even if not, it avoids the numerous problems with wireless cards and Linux.) - System requirements, details of which programs are installed by default, and links to individual programs' documentation/forums/mailing lists, should be exactly one click away from the index page on the website... not buried somewhere in the wiki where the average user won't find it. (What's your web backend? I know from experience that there are a lot of web designers who want to beef up their resumes, so this is one area where you should be able to get a fair amount of help.) - Ouside of UbuStu, or any specific distro: The development of a standard for LADSPA GUI programming. Perhaps something like the Java VM for audio GUI's. The success of VST's had a lot to do with being able to control the plugin's look and feel, and in that regard, everything Linux is at least ten years behind the curve. - Greater outreach to people who devlop on non-Linux systems. The folks over at Smartelectronix have developed a ton of VST's for free, and many have shared source code. Their plugins are also consistently high in quality, some surpassing commercial plugins. (Listen to the Asynth filters if you don't believe me.) People like that would be outstanding to have on the Linux team. - I'm actually becoming enamored of the W3C approach to audio standards. I know that the developers of UbuStu, Studio64, ArtistX, etc. are in pretty close contact, but how much do you guys actually share code? Have you considered teaming up to form a Linux audio standards body? Would there be any chance at all of a cross-platform audio standard like there is for web standards? (Yeah, I know it's not likely, but a guy can dream, can't he?) The bottom line is that, by its very nature, F/OSS developers have _no_ responsibility to the end-user community, whatever that may be. None! Zarro! Zilch!! Open Source is developed in the context of a gift economy. This statement really surprises me, as it would also surprise businesses like Sun or IBM (or even Microsoft, who are trying to get into the open source game). Even Richard Stallman doesn't like open to be confused with non-commercial. Leaving that aside, if you're not writing
RE: waiting for professional grade
Hey, I know I'm not exactly a power user on this list, but I thought I'd chime in. Obviously this is all just my opinion. Mostly I agree with everything Brian David said, but I'd like to elaborate. First, there is the contradictory thought process that wonders why more people don't contribute to projects like this, while at the same time frowning on people who complain about a tough user experience and telling them to just learn the 'right' way or whatnot. This is important. I blame the fact that the Linux community has too large of a programmer-to-user ratio. That's completely understandable for any sort of DIY community, but if any variety of GNU/Linux wants to break out of its niche market, it needs to explicitly change its goals to attract a user base that is less computer literate. There are reasons for that relative computer illiteracy, and they are not bad ones. For instance: If you tell a recording engineer to just learn the task the right way, are you going to pay them $100/hour to do it? That's how much they'd lose in studio time. developers really need to consider the type of experience that the average user is going to expect, and in the case of this project, the average audio/visual designer. Bingo. Because it's geared towards A/V users, Ubuntu Studio needs to be even more user-friendly than vanilla Ubuntu. So simple, even Ted Nugent can use it. Here's one suggestion: Stop thinking about Linux vs. Windows, and start thinking about Linux vs. Mac. For at least ten years, NOBODY in the A/V industry used Windows. Even today, almost all my musician friends use a Mac if they have a choice. Another suggestion: Stop thinking of A/V programs as computer programs. Get up from your computer, and go browse the shelves of Guitar Center. Remember back in the 80's, when digital synths were coming around? Remember having to scroll through all those menus on your DX7 or K2000? That interface style is mostly gone now, and there's a very good reason for that. However, this isn't just any project, this is a derivative of Ubuntu, a distribution that has the reputation of being THE user-friendly LInux distro. And one which has entirely the right idea. Think of how many Linux users y'all know personally. How many of them use Ubuntu (or a derivative) vs. any other distro? I don't know the official numbers, but ALMOST ALL of my Linux-using friends use Ubuntu, and the main reason is user-friendliness. That's why I'm so distressed when I hear all these reports about RT kernal bugs, having to edit config files, setting up user groups, etc. The whole idea behind Ubuntu was that the average user would never have to worry about any of these things. It's also the reason I haven't upgraded from 8.10. I know this would take a huge amount of work, but have y'all considered branching from Ubuntu altogether? A lot of these bugs seem to happen because UbuStu needs to keep up with Ubuntu's (rather rapid) release schedule. That way, you could focus less on keeping up with the Joneses, and focus on releasing only after the system is rock-hard stable. Thinking about an even bigger picture, has anyone suggested forming a standards body for audio programming? That way, everything could be designed to work together a lot better. I'm thinking a sort of W3C for audio. Like I said, this is just talk on my part. Feel free to reject any or all of what I just said. -Karlheinz___ http://www.khznoise.com _ Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+gamesscope=cashbackform=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1-- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
RE: Audiophile 2496 on 9.10 beta
Does anyone have sound on M-Audio Audiophile 2496 (ice1712) ? Are you asking about the card's compatibility with UbuStu in general, or its compatibility with 9.10 in particular? I have that card on my UbuStu box, but I'm still running 8.04. No problems that I can determine, and I've used it for quite a while. Though, I haven't tested the MIDI ports yet, I'm just using it for audio. -Karlheinz ___ http://www.khznoise.com _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
RE: Ubuntu-Studio-users Digest, Vol 26, Issue 21
My current setup is dual boot between Windows XP 64, (which I currently use most), and 64 bit Vista, (which I use rarely). If you are going to get rid of one of the Windows installs (which I recommend - Vista is utter crap), then you should be VERY careful. The Windows bootloader MUST be on the primary boot partition, or it will NOT work. Result: to get Windows back you have to re-install EVERYTHING - including Ubuntu. (This happened to me.) Make sure you know which Windows OS is on the primary boot partition, and leave it there. Looking at what happens when the system starts up, it first of all goes into the Asus Express Gate, then does a normal boot, offering me a choice of XP or Vista via what appears to be called Windows Boot Manager. The Asus Express Gate is probably the BIOS loader, FWIW. Windows Boot Manager is essentially GRUB for Windows. Does the 64 bit install know about this boot manager, and can it integrate the new boot option with it successfully? I don't run 64-bit, but as long as you follow the above advice, GRUB and the Ubuntu installer should work just fine. If you're feeling paranoid, you could follow the advice in this column: http://www.matthewjmiller.net/howtos/dual-boot-linux-and-windows/ One other piece of advice: At this point, stick with Ubuntu Studio 8.04.1. There are issues with 9.04. -Karlheinz _ http://www.khznoise.net/karlheinz _ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290-- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
RE: More suggestions...
- A live DVD would really help snip Use the Ubuntu one. Having Studio live disks introduces more work on the teams part as well as increased strain on Canonical resources. Fair enough. I ask because (if memory serves) some users reported the RT kernel screwing with system devices. Haven't seen those reports in a while, so maybe that's not an issue right now. - A question: Is the UbuStu .iso compatible with wubi? snip It does, but as the system suffers from a decreased performance due to using the loopback mounted filesystem we decided we didn't want Studio presented that way. It would still be good for users who want to explore UbuStu, but still need Windows/OSX while they're climbing the learning curve. You could also suggest that to users who want a live DVD. -Karlheinz _ http://www.khznoise.net/karlheinz _ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme-- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
More suggestions...
Sorry, I just thought of a couple things I didn't include in the last post... - A live DVD would really help, especially for users who just want to know if their hardware is supported. Most other distros have this, I really believe it's a drawback to UbuStu. - A question: Is the UbuStu .iso compatible with wubi? It would help if it is, though wubi might be too young for this to be realistic. -Karlheinz _ http://www.khznoise.net/karlheinz _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009-- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: buy a sound card
what's the main difference between a first price sound card and a professionnal one ? An amateur sound card needs a stereo in/out, for converting tapes and LP's, gaming, and the usual computer stuff. You can record with these, but the DAC's are usually not so good (though better than even 5 years ago). You do not need to have more than 16bit/44.1KHz for these (though if you do, good for you). Medium soundcards are for non-pro musicians and home studio users. These will probably need MIDI, and AT LEAST 24bit/96KHz stereo. Most likely there will need to be 4, 8, or 16 discreet channels to hook up to your mixer. This is where the majority of Linux users are. Professional sound cards should be 24bit/192KHz, with oversampling DAC's, minimum 8 channels I/O, and ideally include a mixer (motorized faders are nice). The computers that run these cards should NEVER be connected to the internet, and should have no software on the machine other than what is needed to run specific music apps. In other words, it would be a package system. Historically, ProTools is the model for this sort of system, but others have been tried (e.g. PARIS, MOTU). Since Cory's suggestions are WAY too cheap, I'll learn ya sum things: - what's a cheaper price for an amateur sound card ? Free with your motherboard/laptop. - what's a good price for a medium sound card ? Anywhere from $100 - $600, depending on your needs. Stereo I/O with MIDI will be $100-$200, 8 channels I/O will be $300-$600. - What's a good price for a professional sound card ? Over $600. Typically over $1000. Almost none are supported by Linux. I need too examples of sound card that runs without any trouble or very easily under GNU/Linux, for beginners (and cheaper) : Just make sure Linux supports your motherboard's sound card... for medium use, semi-pro : I personally use the M-Audio Audiophile 2496. M-Audio in general is fairly Linux-friendly, and with this soundcard you get stereo I/0 with MIDI for around $100. There is also the Audiophile 192 which goes up to 192KHz, for about $80 more. I have heard terrible things about the USB version, though. If you want to step up to 8 ins and outs, the PreSonus FP10 (formerly FirePod) is listed as reported to work under ffado: http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/317 I don't own one, but I have used one, and PreSonus is generally considered very good for their DAC's. You can get one for $400 nowadays. However, the PreSonus only goes up to 96KHz. If you need 192KHz, I'd go with the Echo AudioFire 8, which is fully supported: http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/70 I haven't used Echo in years, but back in the day they were considered pretty top-notch. The AudioFire 8 is around $500 or so. You can also spend an extra $100 and step up to the AudioFire 12, which has 12 inputs and outputs. for professionnal use : For Linux? RME. That's about it. However, everyone on this list who has one loves theirs. Note that the FireWire versions are NOT supported. Those are way out of my price range, so you'll have to ask other people for their recomendations. Also: I have an old Tascam TDM1000 board with an M-Audio TDIF PCI card. I have no idea if it's supported or not, since I don't use Linux in my studio. But digital boards are also something to consider - and should probably be a seperate entry, as they're a different beast than just an audio input. There are lots of boards that come with a USB out nowadays (from Mackie and Behringer for example), of varying degrees of quality, so perhaps people with those boards could chime in as well. -Karlheinz _ http://www.khznoise.net/karlheinz _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009-- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Selecting Hardware for Music Production
What would be some good internal and external hardware/devices to use with a make-shift/budget home recording studio? One other option to consider: Many mixers nowadays have USB audio built into them. Several of the Behringers do this, and there are a couple of flavors of Alesis MultiMix mixers also. If you can up your budget a little bit, Allen and Heath have a nice mixer for around $400 that has USB audio: http://www.zzounds.com/item--AAHZED14 I do not own any of these however, and I can't tell you how easy these are to set up under UbuStu. I know at least one person on this list has one of the Alesis mixers - care to chime in? -Karlheinz _ http://www.khznoise.net/karlheinz _ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
RE: M-Audio Fireport Info Request - Also, Free Samples
I'm losing it. It's the ProFire. There are two ProFire devices listed at FFADO. One is the ProFire Lightbridge, which is listed as unknown: http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/27 The other is the ProFire 2626, which is not supported: http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/507 Also: Along those lines, Berklee school of music has released 8.5 gigs of sampled instruments under a CC-BY license: http://ccmixter.org/olpc-berklee-sample-pool Just a general FYI - the guy who's behind this is also the guy who developed CSound. -Karlheinz _ http://www.khznoise.net/karlheinz _ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Yet another Vinyl vs. CD/Digital debate
Thats how they used to do it. Yes, and on some it worked great. The lasers are the modern way of creating it. Sorry, but you are wrong. Every single person who presses records, that I know about anyway, use a lathe that physically cuts the grooves into the lacquer using a needle connected to an amplifier. There is a new method of pressing called Direct Metal Mastering, but that just cuts the grooves into a copper plate instead of a lacquer - thus saving one step in the plating process, and theoretically losing less high end, but at the cost of being able to press fewer records from a single master. But DMM uses the same lathes as the lacquer process does. They used to cut records directly from a microphone (direct-to-disc), but they stopped doing that in the 1950's when they invented magnetic tape. Here are some videos that show how records are made: How Vinyl Records Are Made PART 1 OF 2 (from the Discovery Channel's How It's Made) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUGRRUecBik How Vinyl Records Are Made PART 2 OF 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IReDh9ec_rk How vinyl records Are made (interview with Ron Murphy, RIP) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDmBx4R-Gas How a record is made (inside The Cutting Suite, London - this one is kinda dumb, I included it to show that they use an regular lathe as well) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihNrtCac9Fs Tour of United Record Pressing plant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43n5bVXAqzo Command Performance (1942) http://www.archive.org/details/CommandP1942 See also this thread: http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/archive/index.php/t-44239.html One thing to consider: The idea that vinyl is more of a pure sound than CD shows how little anyone knows about audio. The physical properties of vinyl definitely color the sound; in order to compensate for this, all audio mastered for vinyl must go through a rather extreme equalization process (called the RIAA Curve): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_equalization In addition, both the upper frequency limit and dynamic range of vinyl are lower than can be achieved on a CD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_recording#LP_versus_CD My favorite vinylphiles are those dorks who believe that it vinyl sounds better than CD's when you rip them to 192K MP3. (And don't get me started on cassettes...) Now, you may say that records produced on vinyl just sound better than records produced on CD. And you're right - they often do. But this isn't the fault of the medium; it's the fault of the producers, recording engineers, and mastering engineers. Simply put, making a good-sounding record requires years of experience, and those who were actually good at it are too used to their analog tools to learn digital, so those who do it digitally are constantly having to re-invent the wheel. And that's assuming modern artists are interested at all. The future of music resides in bedroom musicians. How many of them want to pay $2000 just to have someone master their mixes, when they can do a crappy job with their LADSPA plugins (or cracked VST's) for free? I know I don't. -Karlheinz ___ http://www.khznoise.com _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
RE: FireWire Solo (thomas fisher)
I believe part of the problem is the electronic noise inside the case. Most of the breakout box s are appealing to the higher fidelity users. Actually, I think the common belief is that if you're mounting something into a PC, it'll be via a PCI card, which has far superior data transfer rates than either FireWire or USB. So, the connections would all be on the back, unless you get a PC that has a front-facing PCI slot (which I have never seen). If you are going to go the PCI route, I use and recommend the M-Audio Audiophile: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile2496-main.html FireWire and USB devices seem to be geared toward laptop users and/or live performance. -Karlheinz ___ http://www.khznoise.com _ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
RE: DVD authoring
Hello, all. Thought I'd shed some light onto the DVD-authoring quagmire. The DVD standard requires that video be compressed in MPEG format, and that the audio is _usually_ AC3 format. It then has to be containerized into VOB files that contain information such as chapters, subtitles, etc. Although the MPEG standard is open, the actual algorithms used to encode to MPEG are not, so any video compression algorithm under a GNU license has to start from the ground up. AC3, on the other hand, is not open at all (it's copyright Dolby Digital). The licenses for these things are usually included in the cost of the software and/or hardware. In other words, any GNU software that deals with DVD authoring is an uphill battle, since it requires working around non-free encoders and whatnot. That's why it's pretty far behind on Linux. (In fact, most OEM versions of Nero won't even do it... you have to get the full version, or pay for an encoder. At least that's the way it is with my version.) Be prepared to wait a long while before all this gets resolved... and by then, of course, consumers will have moved on to Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, both of which are proprietary I believe. Having said all that, it seems like QDVD is the best Linux option... Does Ubuntu Studio come with the Qt library already installed? I'm obviously a novice at peeking under the hood, so to speak. If it does, I see no reason that it shouldn't be included in the distribution. (It's out of beta now, isn't it?) -Karlheinz ___ http://www.khznoise.com _ i’m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: What is low spec for you?
What I have the biggest problem with is the classic newbie who comes along and starts bitching about bad performance on the PII-400 he dug out of the closet to try Linux on, to see if it was worth the effort before he tries anything on his real computer that's way better than mine. I've long since been at the point where I lost all sympathy for people like that, and I don't even bother to encourage them further anymore. So I've noticed. I was one of those newbies, if you might recall. I got checksum errors when I tried to even install US on my old Celeron 400, asked why, and nobody gave me any help other than Don't bother, get a better machine. Despite the fact that there is no mention whatsoever on the US site about system requirements. None. I just checked again, just now, and if anyone can tell me where that is mentioned, I'd like to hear it. So, I tried installing US on my current working machine... which resulted in a reformatted hard drive, lost data, the need to completely re-install Windows (GRUB overwrote the MBR), etc etc etc. Essentially I lost a week of computer time, which is EXACTLY what I was trying to avoid by doing a dry run on an older machine. I didn't even bother asking for help here, since y'all were so unhelpful in general. I did eventually get help - from someone on a forum about industrial music. I should probably point something out to the users of this list: If you are doing a distro for artists, then the OS you are really competing with is not Windows, it's Macintosh. The reason most artistic people go with Mac's over PC's is that they work as promised right out of the box. No tweaking, no having to set up soundcards or any of that nonsense; just plug and go. (At least in theory...) This, in my opinion, should be the goal of any OS geared towards musicians in general: it should be totally invisible. That also means that you should encourage newbies - because most musicians are, and always will be, computer newbies. They SHOULD be - their job is not to run a computer, but to play an instrument. By the way: I still, to this day, use my 400MHz machine for mastering, since it can run WaveLab with one instance of Ozone, and that's really all I need. Sorry for the rant, but I'm about as pissed off at the above attitude as you are at newbies like me. Off now to try 64 Studio, -Karlheinz ___ http://www.khznoise.com _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
