Re: [LAD] RME FIREFACE 400? RME MULTIFACE II?
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Ralf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 13:23 -0600, Gustin Johnson wrote: I would stay away from the Fireface and the multiface (unless you connect the multiface to another interface). FWIW, I have a 9652 PCI card and an RME ADI 8-DS. If I need more channels there is an Alesis ADAT that I can connect to it, albeit at only 16/48. It is important to note that the 9652/9652 do not have any ADC/DACs on them and rely on outboard gear for that. This particular rig has been solid and stable for years and has been in 3 different rigs, the latest being an Intel Sandy bridge. If you can afford it I highly recommend the RME PCI and PCIe solutions. Their Firewire solutions have traditionally been the exact opposite under Linux. Hm? I tries to switch from LAD to LAU, regarding to current user queries, but it failed. Hi Admin [1] ;). Hi Gustin :), hi Ubuntu Studio users list :), pardon LAD ;) IIUC a HDSPe AIO or DSP 9632 is all I need, if I just need a stereo IO? I only need to buy a BF-BOXLRMKH or BF-BOCMKH breakout cable? There are a number of possible solutions. It sounds like the AIO might be what you want, but I would ask someone local if you are unsure (in other words, don't just take my word for it). If I need additional IOs and wish to avoid Multiface firmware issues, I can add AI4S-192 AIO and AO4S-192 AIO. You could add anything that speaks ADAT, assuming you get the PCI/PCIe card with ADAT connectors on it. If I need much more IOs and don't have enough money for RME IOs, I can e.g. use a BEHRINGER ADA8000 ULTRAGAIN PRO8 DIGITAL by ADAT connection. The sound quality might be less good and I guess this will add extra latency and Ardour won't auto-compensate this extra latency automatically? What latency are you talking about? The only latency this adds is electrical switching and media conversion + travel time for the optical signal + the DAC/ADC. The sound quality of Behringer tends to be lower than other solutions, but this should work. As long as I'm using a mobo with PCI slots I can use AI4S-192 AIO and AO4S-192 AIO with a DSP 9632 and when I switch to a mobo with PCIe only I can switch from DSP 9632 to HDSPe AIO and keep AI4S-192 AIO and AO4S-192 AIO (and e.g. a BEHRINGER ADA8000 ULTRAGAIN PRO8 DIGITAL ;)? This sounds right. If in doubt check with RME. The compatibility of the add on boards is listed on this page: http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_hdsp_expansion_boards.php Using a DSP 9632 with a PCIe to PCI bridge doesn't work or at least could cause issues? Never heard of such a thing. I would not trust it, but I tend to be skeptical of such kludges. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [LAD] RME FIREFACE 400? RME MULTIFACE II?
On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 12:08 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 05/22/2011 11:43 AM, Ralf wrote: Hi :) I only watched pictures and read texts but didn't hear one of those RME devices, anyway, until now I tend to order the RME FIREFACE 400 or RME MULTIFACE II if they shouldn't cause issues with Linux. The two HDSP be possible too. Any experiences, information? ralf, as usual, your level of disinformation is astonishing. Hi Jörn, thank you :). Disinformation? I didn't have any information, neither right nor wrong information, that's why I'm asking. the fireface is an ieee1394 device, and the ffado drivers are somewhat experimental. so yes, this would be an issue with linux. i suggest you check the ffado.org website and look through the ffado mailing list archive to see if the current level of support is sufficient for what you want to do. the multiface ii is a break-out and converter box. it doesn't work on its own. consequently, there are no driver issues associated with its use, other than the firmware upload which the host computer has to take care of when you boot the device. what you want to look into is the corresponding pci(e) card with the connector that looks like firewire but isn't (proprietary rme protocol). the quality of the converters on the multiface leaves nothing to be desired. You do write the same as another one does write in a forum :). I tend to order a Multiface. the 9652 and 9636 cards are digital-only, with two resp. three adat i/o connectors. consequently, their sound quality is perfect. you will have to combine them with some external adat ad/da converter. most if not all rme cards come pci and pci express flavours. as you mentioned in a previous posting, the pci prices have dropped a lot, but when you consider one, factor in the cost for mainboards with pci slots - they will become quite rare in mass market in the near future, and then you would have to pay extra to get some industry-type product that still has them. for an idea of the extra cost, try shopping for an industry board with ISA slots today (still needed to run legacy process control cards and whatnot). Yes, my ASUS M2A-VM HDMI motherboard only has 2 PCI slots, occupied by 2 Terratec EWX 24/96 cards. I removed the HDMI thingy and used the PCIe slot for a GeForce 7200GS, because 3D doesn't work for the integrated Radeon X1250-based graphics. Btw. the board has got one PCIe x16 and one PCIe x1 slot. I could remove the GeForce, 3D isn't important at the moment. Because the Multiface is less expensive, I also could order a new motherboard, if I should need 3D ... perhaps, I don't know what I need to replace too, I randomly picked some mobos ... DDR3 instead of DDR2 seems to be no moneywise issue, I guess this is all I would need to change. So the future is NO PCI, but several PCIe x16 and x1 slots? all rme cards i've come across will happily run at 64 frames, and some of the newer ones let you go down to 32 or 16, although i have not tried this yet. Somebody on a forum wrote that 32 frames are ok for his RME, for a real multi-channel productions! Thank you very much. My impression is that RME cards are the best choice for Linux. Best, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [LAD] RME FIREFACE 400? RME MULTIFACE II?
On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 12:46 +0200, Ralf wrote: On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 12:08 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 05/22/2011 11:43 AM, Ralf wrote: Hi :) I only watched pictures and read texts but didn't hear one of those RME devices, anyway, until now I tend to order the RME FIREFACE 400 or RME MULTIFACE II if they shouldn't cause issues with Linux. The two HDSP be possible too. Any experiences, information? ralf, as usual, your level of disinformation is astonishing. Hi Jörn, thank you :). Disinformation? I didn't have any information, neither right nor wrong information, that's why I'm asking. the fireface is an ieee1394 device, and the ffado drivers are somewhat experimental. so yes, this would be an issue with linux. i suggest you check the ffado.org website and look through the ffado mailing list archive to see if the current level of support is sufficient for what you want to do. the multiface ii is a break-out and converter box. it doesn't work on its own. consequently, there are no driver issues associated with its use, other than the firmware upload which the host computer has to take care of when you boot the device. Oops, my broken English ... there are issues? Googleing for multiface ii linux results with reported issue :S. what you want to look into is the corresponding pci(e) card with the connector that looks like firewire but isn't (proprietary rme protocol). the quality of the converters on the multiface leaves nothing to be desired. You do write the same as another one does write in a forum :). I tend to order a Multiface. the 9652 and 9636 cards are digital-only, with two resp. three adat i/o connectors. consequently, their sound quality is perfect. you will have to combine them with some external adat ad/da converter. most if not all rme cards come pci and pci express flavours. as you mentioned in a previous posting, the pci prices have dropped a lot, but when you consider one, factor in the cost for mainboards with pci slots - they will become quite rare in mass market in the near future, and then you would have to pay extra to get some industry-type product that still has them. for an idea of the extra cost, try shopping for an industry board with ISA slots today (still needed to run legacy process control cards and whatnot). Yes, my ASUS M2A-VM HDMI motherboard only has 2 PCI slots, occupied by 2 Terratec EWX 24/96 cards. I removed the HDMI thingy and used the PCIe slot for a GeForce 7200GS, because 3D doesn't work for the integrated Radeon X1250-based graphics. Btw. the board has got one PCIe x16 and one PCIe x1 slot. I could remove the GeForce, 3D isn't important at the moment. Because the Multiface is less expensive, I also could order a new motherboard, if I should need 3D ... perhaps, I don't know what I need to replace too, I randomly picked some mobos ... DDR3 instead of DDR2 seems to be no moneywise issue, I guess this is all I would need to change. So the future is NO PCI, but several PCIe x16 and x1 slots? all rme cards i've come across will happily run at 64 frames, and some of the newer ones let you go down to 32 or 16, although i have not tried this yet. Somebody on a forum wrote that 32 frames are ok for his RME, for a real multi-channel productions! Thank you very much. My impression is that RME cards are the best choice for Linux. Best, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [LAD] RME FIREFACE 400? RME MULTIFACE II?
I would stay away from the Fireface and the multiface (unless you connect the multiface to another interface). FWIW, I have a 9652 PCI card and an RME ADI 8-DS. If I need more channels there is an Alesis ADAT that I can connect to it, albeit at only 16/48. It is important to note that the 9652/9652 do not have any ADC/DACs on them and rely on outboard gear for that. This particular rig has been solid and stable for years and has been in 3 different rigs, the latest being an Intel Sandy bridge. If you can afford it I highly recommend the RME PCI and PCIe solutions. Their Firewire solutions have traditionally been the exact opposite under Linux. 2011/5/22 Ralf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 12:46 +0200, Ralf wrote: On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 12:08 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 05/22/2011 11:43 AM, Ralf wrote: Hi :) I only watched pictures and read texts but didn't hear one of those RME devices, anyway, until now I tend to order the RME FIREFACE 400 or RME MULTIFACE II if they shouldn't cause issues with Linux. The two HDSP be possible too. Any experiences, information? ralf, as usual, your level of disinformation is astonishing. Hi Jörn, thank you :). Disinformation? I didn't have any information, neither right nor wrong information, that's why I'm asking. the fireface is an ieee1394 device, and the ffado drivers are somewhat experimental. so yes, this would be an issue with linux. i suggest you check the ffado.org website and look through the ffado mailing list archive to see if the current level of support is sufficient for what you want to do. the multiface ii is a break-out and converter box. it doesn't work on its own. consequently, there are no driver issues associated with its use, other than the firmware upload which the host computer has to take care of when you boot the device. Oops, my broken English ... there are issues? Googleing for multiface ii linux results with reported issue :S. what you want to look into is the corresponding pci(e) card with the connector that looks like firewire but isn't (proprietary rme protocol). the quality of the converters on the multiface leaves nothing to be desired. You do write the same as another one does write in a forum :). I tend to order a Multiface. the 9652 and 9636 cards are digital-only, with two resp. three adat i/o connectors. consequently, their sound quality is perfect. you will have to combine them with some external adat ad/da converter. most if not all rme cards come pci and pci express flavours. as you mentioned in a previous posting, the pci prices have dropped a lot, but when you consider one, factor in the cost for mainboards with pci slots - they will become quite rare in mass market in the near future, and then you would have to pay extra to get some industry-type product that still has them. for an idea of the extra cost, try shopping for an industry board with ISA slots today (still needed to run legacy process control cards and whatnot). Yes, my ASUS M2A-VM HDMI motherboard only has 2 PCI slots, occupied by 2 Terratec EWX 24/96 cards. I removed the HDMI thingy and used the PCIe slot for a GeForce 7200GS, because 3D doesn't work for the integrated Radeon X1250-based graphics. Btw. the board has got one PCIe x16 and one PCIe x1 slot. I could remove the GeForce, 3D isn't important at the moment. Because the Multiface is less expensive, I also could order a new motherboard, if I should need 3D ... perhaps, I don't know what I need to replace too, I randomly picked some mobos ... DDR3 instead of DDR2 seems to be no moneywise issue, I guess this is all I would need to change. So the future is NO PCI, but several PCIe x16 and x1 slots? all rme cards i've come across will happily run at 64 frames, and some of the newer ones let you go down to 32 or 16, although i have not tried this yet. Somebody on a forum wrote that 32 frames are ok for his RME, for a real multi-channel productions! Thank you very much. My impression is that RME cards are the best choice for Linux. Best, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [LAD] RME FIREFACE 400? RME MULTIFACE II?
On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 13:23 -0600, Gustin Johnson wrote: I would stay away from the Fireface and the multiface (unless you connect the multiface to another interface). FWIW, I have a 9652 PCI card and an RME ADI 8-DS. If I need more channels there is an Alesis ADAT that I can connect to it, albeit at only 16/48. It is important to note that the 9652/9652 do not have any ADC/DACs on them and rely on outboard gear for that. This particular rig has been solid and stable for years and has been in 3 different rigs, the latest being an Intel Sandy bridge. If you can afford it I highly recommend the RME PCI and PCIe solutions. Their Firewire solutions have traditionally been the exact opposite under Linux. Hm? I tries to switch from LAD to LAU, regarding to current user queries, but it failed. Hi Admin [1] ;). Hi Gustin :), hi Ubuntu Studio users list :), pardon LAD ;) IIUC a HDSPe AIO or DSP 9632 is all I need, if I just need a stereo IO? I only need to buy a BF-BOXLRMKH or BF-BOCMKH breakout cable? If I need additional IOs and wish to avoid Multiface firmware issues, I can add AI4S-192 AIO and AO4S-192 AIO. If I need much more IOs and don't have enough money for RME IOs, I can e.g. use a BEHRINGER ADA8000 ULTRAGAIN PRO8 DIGITAL by ADAT connection. The sound quality might be less good and I guess this will add extra latency and Ardour won't auto-compensate this extra latency automatically? As long as I'm using a mobo with PCI slots I can use AI4S-192 AIO and AO4S-192 AIO with a DSP 9632 and when I switch to a mobo with PCIe only I can switch from DSP 9632 to HDSPe AIO and keep AI4S-192 AIO and AO4S-192 AIO (and e.g. a BEHRINGER ADA8000 ULTRAGAIN PRO8 DIGITAL ;)? Using a DSP 9632 with a PCIe to PCI bridge doesn't work or at least could cause issues? Best, Ralf [1] Forwarded Message From: Ralf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net To: linux-audio-user-ow...@lists.linuxaudio.org Subject: Subscription failed Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 04:40:52 +0200 Hi, I want to switch from LAD to LAU, regarding to some user queries about sound cards. When I first tried to subscribe, I made a typo for my email address, then I tried again without typo, but it failed several times, without any error messages. Best, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
