Re: Help with M-Audio Delta 66 and ALSA
Hey, thanks for the tip on getting Audacity to see the S/PDIF inputs on my Delta 66 card (as noted in the link). It's a bit of a klunky solution but quite workable, and solves my immediate needs. And thanks for all the encouragement toward using JACK. When I can pull it off, I'm going to build or re-purpose a separate box just for recording work, put my Delta 66 card in it, and put Ardour and JACK, among other software, on it. On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 23:28 +0300, Asmo Koskinen wrote: Asmo Koskinen kirjoitti: I'm really sorry - can't help, because I do not have any real digital device to put in Delta 66/Audacity... Well, it seems to work: http://www.64studio.com/node/787 64Studio 3.0 Beta 3 = Ubuntu 8.04 with stuff by 64Studio (another kernel, ffado etc). -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | (The Roadie) 512-259-1190 | http://www.fmp.com| -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Re: Help with M-Audio Delta 66 and ALSA
On Aug 14, 2009 2:31pm, Lindsay Haisley fmo...@fmp.com wrote: Thanks to those who replied to my question. I believe I already have a realtime kernel on this system (it's running kernel v2.6.23) but in any event I don't need that level of performance at this time. The box handles normal audio tasks just fine and tracks single streams of audio at CD sampling rates without a problem. I don't have the time to learn a new technology here. I've spent about 3 hours reading and experimenting with JACK and ALSA today, to no avail (on top of untold hours I've spent in the past trying to come up to speed on ALSA and its components and get similar stuff to work). I'm just going to have to put up with the D-A-D conversion for the time being if I want to input from the digital recorder and screw the IEC958 channel transfer, or else sacrifice the editing I've done with Marantz EDL marks on the recorder and redo it in Audacity. I was hoping someone on this list had encountered this problem before and could give me some quick tips for accessing the signal from the S/PDIF input on the Delta 66 card, but I don't have time to jack around (pun intended ;). It really seems as if this sort of thing should be easy. Card has input - program needs stream from card's input - hit a switch, make a patch, and/or turn up a fader and it should be a done deal. Oh well Thanks again. I understand your apprehension at trying to learn a new technology when you just want to get something simple done, but in this case I absolutely guarantee that if you want to get real audio work done with Linux, you are going to HAVE to use JACK. It is not an option. I would suggest you learn it now and get it out of the way. I would also like to say that this sentence you wrote - Card has input - program needs stream from card's input - hit a switch, make a patch, and/or turn up a fader and it should be a done deal - almost exactly describes how JACK works. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Help with M-Audio Delta 66 and ALSA
Lindsay, go here to see what jack can do for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu94ptNASVwfeature=channel_page Here are some more things videos.. http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=rofthoraxview=videosquery=jack And please don't ask me how I can have hour long youtube videos.. I have a director account. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Re: Help with M-Audio Delta 66 and ALSA
It's even put me in mind of setting up a separate Linux box just for audio (and possibly AV) work. Gentoo Linux has a sub-distribution explicitly designed for AV work. Ardour has been moved to this package class and isn't even available for the Linux I use on my desktop system. I'm making a machine just for this, it's also not for wusses either :^) though it looks simple than swapping out LCD's on a laptop (yes, I've never put one together).. Tiger direct is selling refurbished Nvidia i750 motherboards. That's the two slots sli with heat pipes (don't ask me what they are cooling) and potential to use fast DDR2 (I got some 1066Mhz ram). You only need about a gig, Ubuntu hardly ever hits the 1 gig limit. And a 650Watt power supply in case you want to get two 9800Gt's, which is about 80 bucks apiece now. Also Tiger Direct is selling some Pentium Extreme Edition CPU's (Overclockable 3.73 Ghz 64-bit Pentium-D's) for a hundred dollars a pop. The reason I went on this build my own system quest was that I got the EE for a upgrade of my 2.8Ghz PD, and found out it's incompatible.. So I made a money losing PC constructing learning experience of it. Incidently Tiger Direct is also selling a Quad core AMD barebones kit for 177 dollars now, but you want clock cycles (faster bus bandwidth = less latency). Yess I've had assembly programming and digital electronics, and I haven't built my own PC. Dell is also selling Dell Dimension 9150's (I have one, and I highly recommend it) for 280 dollars (go to dell financial services). -- If you separated your home from root partition, you can install ubuntu and not lose your home accounts.. That's what I do to permit myself to move between versions of Ubuntu without losing my home account.. If you didn't, get a second drive, you can use this command to backup your home partition: tar -cf - /home | (cd /the/other/drive ; tar -xf - ) It's better than cp -r . Reformat (into / and /home partitions) with Ubuntu 9.04 and add Ubuntu Studio (and apt-get install). You can also use gparted from the Ubuntu live disk to resize your partition for gentoo, and install Ubuntu on the new partition, and copy your account folders over to ubuntu (and erase gentoo, :^o ). If you have windows, I wonder if Wubi permits you to get a RT kernel and Ubuntu Studio? -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Re: Help with M-Audio Delta 66 and ALSA
It should work, I figure.. But it does have AMI made for vista BIOS..
Or is it Phoenix that is trying to ruin the linux commuity..
As for the Dimension 9150, it isn't like my old XPS B800r that had the
proprietary ram and won a 10 from Maximum PC in 2000.. This 9150, is all
standard parts.. I bought it on ebay from someone (unaffiliated with Dell)
it arrived MB DOA, Dell transferred the warranty and sent a guy out to
replace the MB. You just have to convince the tech support that it is
definately DOA.. For the record my B800r was DOA, and they replaced MB on
that too. However, I've heard Dell laptops suck.. Note, Dell has a deal with
Canonical to make Ubuntu based netbooks. Supposedly Dell's CEO uses Ubuntu
(typical linux usage rumors). The 9150 has a huge latch for opening the
case, and a big latch for unlocking all the card slots, it takes me abotu 30
seconds to swap out a card, plus space for 6 drives ( 2 internal, 4 front
external, front CPU fan, heat sink and chute), 4 sata connectors, about 6
USB2's in back and 2 in front. It feels solid, not flimsy like some
dekstops.
This video shows the internals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3us514PJuM
I have a NVidia 9800GT on it, and Ubuntu Studio 9.04 dual booted with XP
(for games, don't trust it for anything else). In wine I've played the
entire Valve Orange Box (HL2, Ep1 and Ep2, Portal, and TF2 plays), Oblivion
(not far enough into it), Prey (it sucks but I completed it), COD 4 (I'm
almost to the end of the game), Flatout 2 (completed), and I just got
Fallout 3 working (okay if you don't mind 3D artifacts like mispatched point
clouds, missing eyes and heads). Quake Wars is native of course, and Voip
works, so .. But if you like pinball, there is an installer for future
pinball on wine (get the Black Knight). Believe it or not I have videos
demonstrating all of those games (and the KISS, Globe Trotters and Elton
John pinball machines) I want to find some tables with the subsurface
magnets.
Games:
COD4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NnW6F_hcKo
Pinball
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aitjGW-hTAE
Portal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLFvCPjFE5Y
Oblivion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geydV6C7Wrs
I have Ubuntu 9.04 on my IBM T30 (IBM makes excellent laptops, too bad
Lenovo has the ball. My Acer Aspire has Ubuntu 9.04 and XP (I got the XP
model because it seems you need more memory to run Windows and you get a
hard drive, while on the linux one you only get a solid state drive. Though
I can only stand laptops with the track-points *and three thumb buttons)..
Touch pads must die a cruel death.
Music from my T30 with Jack and ZynAddSubFx (goto 5:38, Tomita-ish improv on
a 5 dollar midiboard):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPdrA4XBvT0
Some sound routing with my YPT-300, JackRack and ZynAddSubFx:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r56XPeJC5vU
Second half of this video demonstrates Bristol (vintage synth emulator, not
as good as ZynAddSubFX, but controllable via Jack):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyPSPTSFE3A
Jack is not really reliable enough to use live, but it can be used for
recording work. When I do a big setup it tends to drop the minute it hits
quite a few Xruns, I don't know if that's Jack or ZynAddSubFx (very
unstable). LMMS has Zyn as a builtin module. I want to do a remake of Mr.
Blue Sky with a vocoder with Ardour.. Sometime.. Why I'm up here is to
figure out how to get dual cores to work well with Jack because it seems to
prefer single cores. That's why I'm building the EE machine.. After this
letter I'm going to go over and attack it, see if I can't get it going.
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Lindsay Haisley fmo...@fmp.com wrote:
On Sat, 2009-08-15 at 09:41 -0600, Kiernan Holland wrote:
I'm making a machine just for this, it's also not for wusses
either :^) though it looks simple than swapping out LCD's on a laptop
(yes, I've never put one together).. Tiger direct is selling
refurbished Nvidia i750 motherboards.
Nvidia doesn't have a good reputation for cooperation with F/OSS.
They've made some progress, but I don't know if I'd choose an Nvidia MB
for a Linux installation. It might be more work than it's worth.
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Help with M-Audio Delta 66 and ALSA
I have a M-Audio Delta 66 card in my desktop system and a digital recorder which can output S/PDIF digital audio. I can connect the S/PDIF output from the recorder to the input on the Delta 66 card and the signal shows up in the S/PDIF meter in envy24control, but goes no further, and I can find no way to work with the signal in other programs. In particular, I'd like to be able to record from this input using Audacity, but Audacity only seems to want to see the hw0 and hw1 inputs which are the outputs of the first two ADCs in the card. I can, of course, input to the computer from the analog outputs on the recorder, but I'd like to avoid the D-A-D conversion. (For reasons that have to do with the editing capabilities of the recorder, I also want to avoid using the USB output and working directly with the saved digital file on the recorders CF card). Is there any way to configure ALSA so as to make the signal coming in to the S/PDIF inputs on the Delta 66 accessible to other programs - perhaps a stanza in my .asoundrc file? I have no idea how to probe the card to see what devices and control interfaces are available, or exactly what to put in ~/.asoundrc to make this sound stream show up in Audacity. Any help would be appreciated. -- Lindsay Haisley | Never expect the people who caused a problem FMP Computer Services | to solve it. - Albert Einstein 512-259-1190 | http://www.fmp.com| -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Help with M-Audio Delta 66 and ALSA
On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 10:50 -0500, Brian David wrote: I don't see you referencing JACK at all in your description. Are you using JACK? How would I use JACK? I'm not familiar with it. Does it have a UI of any kind? Is there a HOWTO somewhere on using it? The system in question is using Gentoo, not Ubuntu, and there's an alsa-jack media plugin installed (although it's an old version and no longer available as such, and may have been rolled into the alsa-utils package). I've never needed to use envy24control, but I'm guessing that any sound going into envy24control should be capable of being routed via JACK into any other program. I've not found envy24control particularly logical or useful, but it does give me some idea of signals present on the card. -- Lindsay Haisley |Fighting against human | PGP public key FMP Computer Services | creativity is like | available at 512-259-1190 | trying to eradicate |http://pubkeys.fmp.com http://www.fmp.com| dandelions | | (Pamela Jones) | -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Help with M-Audio Delta 66 and ALSA
Thanks to those who replied to my question. I believe I already have a realtime kernel on this system (it's running kernel v2.6.23) but in any event I don't need that level of performance at this time. The box handles normal audio tasks just fine and tracks single streams of audio at CD sampling rates without a problem. I don't have the time to learn a new technology here. I've spent about 3 hours reading and experimenting with JACK and ALSA today, to no avail (on top of untold hours I've spent in the past trying to come up to speed on ALSA and its components and get similar stuff to work). I'm just going to have to put up with the D-A-D conversion for the time being if I want to input from the digital recorder and screw the IEC958 channel transfer, or else sacrifice the editing I've done with Marantz EDL marks on the recorder and redo it in Audacity. I was hoping someone on this list had encountered this problem before and could give me some quick tips for accessing the signal from the S/PDIF input on the Delta 66 card, but I don't have time to jack around (pun intended ;). It really seems as if this sort of thing should be easy. Card has input - program needs stream from card's input - hit a switch, make a patch, and/or turn up a fader and it should be a done deal. Oh well Thanks again. On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 20:09 +0300, Asmo Koskinen wrote: Lindsay Haisley kirjoitti: How would I use JACK? I'm not familiar with it. Does it have a UI of any kind? Is there a HOWTO somewhere on using it? Here is something to read for start. http://linux-sound.org/knowing-jack.html http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/software-ecology-rui-nuno-capela http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/little-boxes-audio-production-hardware-studio-dave Dave use Delta 66 and jackd every day. Next thing is that you need real time kernel, if you start to use jackd. Here for Gentoo. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/sound/realtime.xml - I do use Delta 66 (http://wiki.ubuntu-fi.org/Ubuntu_Studio) but I do not use digital ins/outs, just analog ones (break out box). I do have Echo AudioFire 4 firewire soundcard, too. I do everything with jackd (both Delta 66 and AudioFire 4). I do not have any digital recorder to put in Delta 66 and I do not use Gentoo, so sorry for that, I can't help more here. Best Regards Asmo Koskinen. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | (The Roadie) 512-259-1190 | http://www.fmp.com| -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Help with M-Audio Delta 66 and ALSA
You need T-shirts that say get jack.. On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Asmo Koskinen asmo.koski...@arkki.infowrote: Lindsay Haisley kirjoitti: How would I use JACK? I'm not familiar with it. Does it have a UI of any kind? Is there a HOWTO somewhere on using it? Here is something to read for start. http://linux-sound.org/knowing-jack.html -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Help with M-Audio Delta 66 and ALSA
Lindsay Haisley kirjoitti: I was hoping someone on this list had encountered this problem before and could give me some quick tips for accessing the signal from the S/PDIF input on the Delta 66 card Let me ask this - nothing happens when you try to do this with Audacity? http://www.arkki.info/howto/Ubuntu_Studio_Testing/Audacity_spdif.png And you know, you can control Delta 66 with alsamixer, too. http://www.arkki.info/howto/Ubuntu_Studio_Testing/Audacity_alsamixer.png I'm really sorry - can't help, because I do not have any real digital device to put in Delta 66/Audacity... Best Regards Asmo Koskinen. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Help with M-Audio Delta 66 and ALSA
On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 14:08 -0600, Kiernan Holland wrote: You need T-shirts that say get jack.. Yeah, thanks ;-/ -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | (The Roadie) 512-259-1190 | http://www.fmp.com| -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Help with M-Audio Delta 66 and ALSA
Asmo Koskinen kirjoitti: I'm really sorry - can't help, because I do not have any real digital device to put in Delta 66/Audacity... Well, it seems to work: http://www.64studio.com/node/787 64Studio 3.0 Beta 3 = Ubuntu 8.04 with stuff by 64Studio (another kernel, ffado etc). Maybe you really should find some time to learn jackd/qjackctl/Ardour2 - it is not that hard... Best Regards Asmo Koskinen. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Help with M-Audio Delta 66 and ALSA
On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 23:28 +0300, Asmo Koskinen wrote: Asmo Koskinen kirjoitti: I'm really sorry - can't help, because I do not have any real digital device to put in Delta 66/Audacity... Well, it seems to work: http://www.64studio.com/node/787 This looks promising. I'll look further at it. Thanks. 64Studio 3.0 Beta 3 = Ubuntu 8.04 with stuff by 64Studio (another kernel, ffado etc). Maybe you really should find some time to learn jackd/qjackctl/Ardour2 - it is not that hard... Yes, I probably need to allocate some time for it, but that's not today's job, nor next week's job. I just wanted to copy some audio at the best possible quality without losing my Marantz EDL marks. I condensed the songs using EDL marks from a 5 hour rehearsal down into 2 hours of pure music for practice and wanted to reproduce this work (which took me quite a while) digitally. In the short run, the small loss of quality imposed by the D-A-D conversion isn't worth the extra time it would take to re-edit the bare MP3 file on the recorder using Audacity. It's just a practice session, not a production recording! But it's the principle of the thing. I want to be able in the future to pull the S/PDIF stream from the recorder to the computer and work with it. I actually _do_ have ardour (v0.9_beta28) on the box but haven't used it. It looks quite nice. For some reason there doesn't seem to be a current version of ardour in the portage tree in Gentoo anymore. Maybe I need the professional audio portage overlay for Gentoo. -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | (The Roadie) 512-259-1190 | http://www.fmp.com| -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Help with M-Audio Delta 66 and ALSA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lindsay Haisley wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 23:28 +0300, Asmo Koskinen wrote: Asmo Koskinen kirjoitti: I'm really sorry - can't help, because I do not have any real digital device to put in Delta 66/Audacity... Well, it seems to work: http://www.64studio.com/node/787 This looks promising. I'll look further at it. Thanks. 64Studio 3.0 Beta 3 = Ubuntu 8.04 with stuff by 64Studio (another kernel, ffado etc). Maybe you really should find some time to learn jackd/qjackctl/Ardour2 - it is not that hard... Yes, I probably need to allocate some time for it, but that's not today's job, nor next week's job. I just wanted to copy some audio at the best possible quality without losing my Marantz EDL marks. I condensed the songs using EDL marks from a 5 hour rehearsal down into 2 hours of pure music for practice and wanted to reproduce this work (which took me quite a while) digitally. In the short run, the small loss of quality imposed by the D-A-D conversion isn't worth the extra time it would take to re-edit the bare MP3 file on the recorder using Audacity. It's just a practice session, not a production recording! But it's the principle of the thing. I want to be able in the future to pull the S/PDIF stream from the recorder to the computer and work with it. It might be a driver issue with your particular kernel or alsa. It may be worth getting a newer kernel (I personally use the latest kernel.org kernel that has a corresponding rt patch) or a newer version of alsa (I would recommend the kernel first). I actually _do_ have ardour (v0.9_beta28) on the box but haven't used it. It looks quite nice. For some reason there doesn't seem to be a current version of ardour in the portage tree in Gentoo anymore. Maybe I need the professional audio portage overlay for Gentoo. No idea since I don't use Gentoo. I can say that I have had good experiences with Ubuntu Studio and even better experiences with 64Studio. I have a Ubuntu Studio Jaunty (9.04) and a 64Studio 3.0 beta, and both have much newer versions of the kernel as well as well apps like ardour. Good luck, -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkqF69IACgkQwRXgH3rKGfORuQCfWIRYRdhGzlKUfIKgg2i2c5pC P4wAnAq4A7YacxXAk6DEOaTZW7MjWZi2 =Ecj/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
