Re: No audio from Rosegarden anymore
On Wednesday 26 March 2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > people can understand why I get a little grumpy about this topic coming up > for the 957,000th time. :) (Also bearing in mind that from Rosegarden's perspective, there's precious little we can do to address the underlying problem. We depend on a bunch of stuff that has to work, and getting it that way is really a distro's job. Unfortunately, we can't really demand that users limit their choices, so there's always the Gentoo guy who's emerge dongle twithers were misjimbulated, and it was all our fault.) -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: No audio from Rosegarden anymore
On Wednesday 26 March 2008, Paul DeShaw wrote: > learn more about how sounfonts work. Does the .deb create a .sf2 file I > can load into Fluidsynth/Qsynth? /usr/share/sounds/sf2/FluidR3_GM.sf2 > problem with TiMidity. Weird how it worked before, then just stopped > working. XMMS can still play MIDI files with TiMidity. I can't even really speculate on this one, as I've barely used it myself. > I'm glad you're still willing to entertain these kinds of questions despite > being annoyed when they come up repeatedly. Next time I'll spend more time > with the documentation before asking. It's OK. I know all of this is difficult and confusing. I'm just glad people can understand why I get a little grumpy about this topic coming up for the 957,000th time. :) -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: No audio from Rosegarden anymore
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Paul DeShaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, I found the package here: > > http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/fluid-soundfont-gm/download > > I installed the .deb, but I'm not sure what it actually does. I have to > learn more about how sounfonts work. Does the .deb create a .sf2 file I > can load into Fluidsynth/Qsynth? > I've tried opening Qsynth and the FluidSynth DSSI plugin, but I can't find a > soundfont to load. Point your synth to the files in /usr/share/sounds/sf2. There is FluidR3_GM.sf2 (for GM), and FluidR3_GS.sf2 (with the GS extensions). At some point in the future, I'll have this integrated more. A step forward has been made in my package in Debian, which installs example timidity configurations in /usr/share/doc/fluid-soundfont, but I'd like to be able to install them to a /etc/timidity/cfg.d directory and have them automagically picked up. I'm working on it! > Over the past few days, I've experimented with what you talked about in your > original response. I found I could record my voice to an audio track and > play it back. Also, I could assign MIDI tracks to Hexter, Trivial Synth, > and Less Trivial Synth, and get some sound. So, I guess it's some problem > with TiMidity. Weird how it worked before, then just stopped working. XMMS > can still play MIDI files with TiMidity. Timidity uses Freepats by default, and requires (a reasonable amount of) extra configuration to work with Fluid. FluidSynth, via QSynth, is a lot easier at this point in time. > I'm glad you're still willing to entertain these kinds of questions despite > being annoyed when they come up repeatedly. Next time I'll spend more time > with the documentation before asking. We're here to help. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: No audio from Rosegarden anymore
> > OK, I found the package here: > > > > http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/fluid-soundfont-gm/download > > > > I installed the .deb, but I'm not sure what it actually does. I have to > learn more about how sounfonts work. Does the .deb create a .sf2 file I > can load into Fluidsynth/Qsynth? > I've tried opening Qsynth and the FluidSynth DSSI plugin, but I can't find a > soundfont to load. > > > > Over the past few days, I've experimented with what you talked about in your > original response. I found I could record my voice to an audio track and > play it back. Also, I could assign MIDI tracks to Hexter, Trivial Synth, > and Less Trivial Synth, and get some sound. So, I guess it's some problem > with TiMidity. Weird how it worked before, then just stopped working. XMMS > can still play MIDI files with TiMidity. > > > > I'm glad you're still willing to entertain these kinds of questions despite > being annoyed when they come up repeatedly. Next time I'll spend more time > with the documentation before asking. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > > Can you play a MIDI file with the "timidity-interfaces-extra" package? I've got a Gutsy installation that won't play any MIDI sound at all except through that application. (I'm pretty sure that's a meaningful clue in a troubleshooting analysis for my machine, but it's not my main computer & Hardy's coming so soon that it doesn't seem worth wrestling with.) Just a thought. :) --Ray -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: No audio from Rosegarden anymore
On Sunday 23 March 2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > recommend that you run QSynth with fluid-soundfont. (Unless you are > short > > Heh, I was writing as though I was on Rosegarden-User instead of Ubuntu > Studio > User. Oh well, I don't see any serious adjustments that need to be made. > > I forgot to mention that this is packaged for Hardy now, and the Hardy > packages install just fine on Gutsy, since they are data-only, and have no > dependencies... > > I don't have the URL for those either, but I found them, and I have > confidence > that you can too. :) > > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > OK, I found the package here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/fluid-soundfont-gm/download I installed the .deb, but I'm not sure what it actually does. I have to learn more about how sounfonts work. Does the .deb create a .sf2 file I can load into Fluidsynth/Qsynth? I've tried opening Qsynth and the FluidSynth DSSI plugin, but I can't find a soundfont to load. Over the past few days, I've experimented with what you talked about in your original response. I found I could record my voice to an audio track and play it back. Also, I could assign MIDI tracks to Hexter, Trivial Synth, and Less Trivial Synth, and get some sound. So, I guess it's some problem with TiMidity. Weird how it worked before, then just stopped working. XMMS can still play MIDI files with TiMidity. I'm glad you're still willing to entertain these kinds of questions despite being annoyed when they come up repeatedly. Next time I'll spend more time with the documentation before asking. Thanks, Paul -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: No audio from Rosegarden anymore
On Sunday 23 March 2008, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > recommend that you run QSynth with fluid-soundfont. (Unless you are short Heh, I was writing as though I was on Rosegarden-User instead of Ubuntu Studio User. Oh well, I don't see any serious adjustments that need to be made. I forgot to mention that this is packaged for Hardy now, and the Hardy packages install just fine on Gutsy, since they are data-only, and have no dependencies. $ lsb_release -a Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description:Ubuntu 7.10 Release:7.10 Codename: gutsy $ dpkg -l|grep fluid-sou ii fluid-soundfont-gm3-0ubuntu1 Fluid (R3) General MIDI SoundFont (GM) ii fluid-soundfont-gs3-0ubuntu1 Fluid (R3) General MIDI SoundFont (GS Extens I don't have the URL for those either, but I found them, and I have confidence that you can too. :) -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: No audio from Rosegarden anymore
On Sunday 23 March 2008, Paul DeShaw wrote: > recognized, but in the meantime I would like to troubleshoot audio in > Rosegarden. OK, first let's get the terminology straight. This leads to a lot of confusion. "Audio" in Rosegarden terms means anything played directly through JACK, which means audio segments, and DSSI synth plugins. If you try to play a MIDI file, and don't hear anything, this is not an "audio" problem, but a "MIDI reproduction" problem. It's a subtle semantic difference, but it can mean the world in terms of concentrating on where the real problem is. > I used to be able to play MIDI files and hear them, but I > can't now. OK, a MIDI reproduction problem. > This is true in both Ubuntu Studio and Musix. I'll concentrate on Ubuntu Studio, because that's what I have in front of me. > Other apps produce sound through JACK. Does Rosegarden still produce audio through JACK? Try loading a DSSI synth plugin, and see if you hear anything, or import an audio file, and try to play it. If other apps are producing sound through JACK, Rosegarden should too. > The little meters bounce in the tracks in the main window and the MIDI mixer > window That only means Rosegarden is sending MIDI data somewhere. It doesn't mean whatever is on the other end is actually producing sound. > but NOT in the audio mixer window. If there are no audio tracks, none of the meters in this window should move. (I'm not totally sure about synth plugin tracks.) > I can't seem to find anything > mentioning this kind of problem in the Rosegarden manual. I devoted a giant chunk of my book to trying to explain this ridiculously complex situation, but it probably just made everything worse by trying to cover every conceivable option, and there are myriad conceivable options. All of this really is a total mess. If I had it all to do over again, I would concentrate on the one thing that works for everybody, no matter what, even if it isn't their best option. So. Ubuntu Studio is supposed to run TiMidity with Freepats out of the box, and this should work. It works for me on a fresh install. That is probably how you were getting MIDI reproduction while it was working. TiMidity + Freepats sounds pretty bad, and since it's broken anyway, I recommend that you run QSynth with fluid-soundfont. (Unless you are short on memory. Fluid-soundfont is enormous. In that case, I would get PC51f.sf2 (google it, I don't have the URL handy.) Configure QSynth to run via JACK (assuming it is working, which you have indicated is probably the case.) My book is way out of date, but I think it probably still covers this situation adequately. Start here, and ignore all the what-if stuff above this point: http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/en/chapter-2.html#2_1_3_2_2 > BTW, is there a Rosegarden WIKI or other community documentation project, > where information can be centralized? It's not like the Rosegarden team > has time on their hands to update the documentation. We have a wiki, but no user documentation there. The gateway to the documentation we do have is here: http://rosegardenmusic.com/resources/ Which includes a link to the page that links to the book, as well as a new series of tutorials I've been working on. Nothing new to adequately address this hideous "my sound doesn't work" option though. I'm kind of trying to avoid revisiting this horrible topic in the hopes that distros like Ubuntu Studio will fix it soon. Hardy will ship with fluid-soundfont and some kind of working soft synth out of the box. Maybe it will stop being an issue soon. I can only hope. You might gather I'm not fond of this topic. :) -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
No audio from Rosegarden anymore
Greetings, I have resigned myself to waiting for Hardy to get my MIDI keyboard recognized, but in the meantime I would like to troubleshoot audio in Rosegarden. I used to be able to play MIDI files and hear them, but I can't now. This is true in both Ubuntu Studio and Musix. Worked for a while, then stopped. Other apps produce sound through JACK. All the audio and MIDI seems to be routed correctly in the JACK window. The little meters bounce in the tracks in the main window and the MIDI mixer window, but NOT in the audio mixer window. I can't seem to find anything mentioning this kind of problem in the Rosegarden manual. BTW, is there a Rosegarden WIKI or other community documentation project, where information can be centralized? It's not like the Rosegarden team has time on their hands to update the documentation. Thanks, Paul in Seattle -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
