Re: OSS apps vs. ALSA apps

2008-02-24 Thread Toby Smithe
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 3:04 PM, raydar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Do I need to configure the alsa-oss package somehow, or configure Jack
  to incorporate or recognize it?

Ok, though I know nothing about this particular package set, the
question raises itself that, why should a JACK-connective application
be using OSS (or ALSA) for audio output, when it can ensure, through
JACK, that platform-agnostic output is available?

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Re: OSS apps vs. ALSA apps

2008-02-24 Thread Toby Smithe
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 4:44 PM, raydar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I discovered in the Ubuntu forums that running an app as an argument to
  aoss is a/the way to invoke alsa-oss, so I typed

 aoss gtick

  in a terminal, got

 /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy

  and also tried having Gtick use /dev/dsp1 after launching Gtick via
  aoss, but there was no difference from starting Gtick the normal way 
  using /dev/dsp1 as before (no error, but no output).

  So, if the problem is Jack hogging /dev/dsp, and if /dev/dsp1 is not
  being hogged but it's output isn't getting through, is there a way I
  can route /dev/dsp1's output to Jack's input so that it all goes out
  /dev/dsp?

You wouldn't want to do this anyway, because latency would be
horrible. The pipeline would go something like:

Gtick - aoss - OSS-JACK router thingy (which doesn't exist) - JACK - ALSA

I hate ALSA and dmix: dmix is a userspace library plug-in, and not at
kernel level, so not only do some apps not conform to it (they don't
/have/ to link against that library), it has latency problems too. I
welcome the day when the newly open-sourced OSS4, and its lovely
kernel-level vmix virtual mixer, replace ALSA and dmix forever. OSS is
a much nicer sound system anyway, even if it did betray us by closing
up last decade.

My suggestion is to give up on Gtick if you're intent on using JACK.
If you're into overkill, you could have Hydrogen give you a beat to
the right BPM, but I'm sure there are other applications that I
haven't heard of that are more suitable.

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OSS apps vs. ALSA apps

2008-02-23 Thread raydar
I finally discovered why I couldn't run Creox and practice guitar using 
Gtick for a metronome: Gtick is for OSS, and it throws up the error

  Couldn't start metronome. Please check if specified sound device 
and sample file are accessible

if I try to start it clicking after opening  starting Jack.  Naturally, 
Jack won't start if Gtick is already running.  It looks like installing 
the alsa-oss package is what to do to make Gtick compatible with ALSA 
and therefore with Jack, but I hesitated and thought I'd ask here 
whether there's any reason not to install that package in an Ubuntu 
Studio environment--not sure whether it could interfere with something 
I'm not aware/thinking of.  Am I safe  on the right track?

(If there isn't any reason not to install alsa-oss, then should come 
installed automatically by Ubuntu Studio so that Gtick plays nice with 
all the Jack applications out of the box?)

--Ray

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Re: OSS apps vs. ALSA apps

2008-02-23 Thread Cory K.
raydar wrote:
 If there isn't any reason not to install alsa-oss, then should come 
 installed automatically by Ubuntu Studio so that Gtick plays nice with 
 all the Jack applications out of the box?

It should. Ill get it added.

-Cory

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