Re: Audio Production Laptop
Right now I'm looking at this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220349 For a modest $849.99 Just went up to $999.99 :-( On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Daniel Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Awesome. Thanks for the continual support and information. Right now I'm looking at this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220349 For a modest $849.99 The cool part is that it has an eSATA port so that I can connect an uber second storage device instead of replacing the internal hard drive. That is what is recommended, right? Working off of a fast access drive for audio recording? Here are the relevant stats: Brand: ASUS Series: M51 Series Model: M51TA-X2 CPU Type: AMD Turion X2 Ultra ZM-82 2.2G Screen: 15.4 WXGA+ Memory Size: 4GB DDR2 Hard Disk : 250GB Optical Drive: DVD Super Multi Graphics Card: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 Video Memory: 512MB CPU Type: AMD Turion X2 Ultra CPU Speed: ZM-82(2.20GHz) CPU L2 Cache: 2MB USB: 4 IEEE 1394: 1 1 x E-SATA 1 x Headphone-out jack (S/PDIF) Audio: Integrated Sound card # Wont be using it!!! Speaker: Internal Speakers # Ewww, uh no. See above. Battery: 6-cell lithium ion What do you guys think? On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Karoliina Salminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. The premium payed for Macs is not reflected in the actual hardware used. I just priced out a loaded Dell Latitude E6400, which fully loaded is the same price as the starter Macbook. The Dell is using a better CPU, double the RAM, a fast hard drive (7200 RPM laptop drive) etc. It just doesn't make sense unless you actually care about the solid aluminum body :) I have 7200 rpm laptop drive on my older Macbook and I upgraded the RAM to 4GB using cheap Mac compatible RAMs (other than sold by Apple) and the setup works fine. And I do care about the solid aluminium body. The older model did not have that, but even with that I have been pretty happy. The build quality is excellent. I have used Dells for couple of years and I can not say the same for their build quality, they are cheap crap where the Mac is a solid product. If you want cheap, then go for Dell, if you want good quality, awesome design / styling etc. get a Mac. If you don't care about style and having the nice beautiful product doesn't make you feel like Christmas each time you look and touch it, then just forget about it, get something cheap that will do the task and buy a new when it breaks. In my case, it is not that simple as that. After tens of years of plastic boxes, I got really bored to the cheap plastics that break because their build quality is so awful (one old Dell we have is no longer usable because the plastic chassis is not rigid enough to not cause disconnects etc. inside if moved at all) and I buy now only good quality hardware which looks feels really nice and Macs meet that criteria, I am no longer just looking at the price-raw-performance ratio. It is a personal choice. I don't personally need the firewire (and I kind of feel it is a bit overrated), because I am using the internal sound card and for all MIDI etc. connectivity USB is just fine. At home I am using the iMac for music. I don't have audio interface on it either, I figured that after all, I may not need one, the internal sound is good enough. I have a mixer connected to the line input. Works for me since I am doing electronic music and only recording one synthesizer (when using the external hardware synths) at a time (because I don't have anybody else but me playing). I have a 8 in / 8 out audio interface on the custom desktop PC (which is running Ubuntu Studio), its internal audio hardware is unusable for music (unlike on Mac). Best Regards, Karoliina ( http://karoliinamusic.blogspot.com ) (Typing this from non-studio-Ubuntu Intrepid running on Thinkpad T61p (which is okay for a PC, but not as nice as my Macs are, and came with unnecessary Windows-license (never booted it to Windows before installing the Ubuntu))) -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Audio Production Laptop
On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:25:35 +0100 Gerhard Lang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many users out there with low budgets, like me trying ubuntu studio because they are looking for alternatives from MS-dependency and for them Apple-products even more are out of range. I'm lucky with a nexoc osiris s620ii, a barebone, my configuration is Intel cpu medium speed dualcore and chipsets, FW, 4G RAM, 320 G HD, ~700€ wto OS in Germany 9/08. Edirol FW101 as sound interface. I'm messing around with live-played sw-synths, wine, wineasio, reaper, vst, especially korg MS20 legacy, synchronous instrument and voice recording. For low latency audio performance this machine is much better then an other notebook with amd64x2 processor, nvidia chipset and 3d graphics. This notebook solution is for life performance and recording, so it has to be small, light weighted and needs no 3d-gamer-screen. For more elaborated production and composition you either will use stationary machines with 20 screens. I'm kind of curious about barebone. I'm thinking about getting a laptop or netbook but barebone sounds interesting to me. Wouldn't a barebone kind of allow one to get the best stuff there is? I know that barebones are quite common for normal boxes but I don't really have experience with laptops and wonder about the ups and downs.. Philipp -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Audio Production Laptop
It would be cool if we could ensemble some laptops preloaded with UbuntuStudio and perhaps had some kind of contest with them as prizes, or something. It seems like a fun project for the community to undertake. We could vote on it piece by piece and document the process. We could then release a guide on building a laptop DAW and promote UbuntuStudio in the same swing. On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 10:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:25:35 +0100 Gerhard Lang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many users out there with low budgets, like me trying ubuntu studio because they are looking for alternatives from MS-dependency and for them Apple-products even more are out of range. I'm lucky with a nexoc osiris s620ii, a barebone, my configuration is Intel cpu medium speed dualcore and chipsets, FW, 4G RAM, 320 G HD, ~700€ wto OS in Germany 9/08. Edirol FW101 as sound interface. I'm messing around with live-played sw-synths, wine, wineasio, reaper, vst, especially korg MS20 legacy, synchronous instrument and voice recording. For low latency audio performance this machine is much better then an other notebook with amd64x2 processor, nvidia chipset and 3d graphics. This notebook solution is for life performance and recording, so it has to be small, light weighted and needs no 3d-gamer-screen. For more elaborated production and composition you either will use stationary machines with 20 screens. I'm kind of curious about barebone. I'm thinking about getting a laptop or netbook but barebone sounds interesting to me. Wouldn't a barebone kind of allow one to get the best stuff there is? I know that barebones are quite common for normal boxes but I don't really have experience with laptops and wonder about the ups and downs.. Philipp -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Audio Production Laptop
Generalizations tend to be innaccurate. Certainly Dell has their low cost lines (the Inspiron), but their Latitude lines are awesome. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have one Latitude D600 on my table and I never liked it. I have stopped using it (replaced it with Thinkpad T61p which is from another planet in comparison, still not as nice as a Mac, but as nice as a PC gets). Another huge downside with the both mentioned is that Bill Gates got some additional funding for nothing since the laptops came with Windows installed despite I do not care about Windows. It is lesser evil to pay the money to Apple, that pretty much avoids MS getting funded with Linux laptops which otherwise forcefully come with Windows installed even if the customer does not want that. Karoliina -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Audio Production Laptop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sony Vaio SZ90PS. No fan noise when using the Intel GPU. Fan noise when using the nVidea GPU, but one has no need for 3D graphics in music. aYo Binitie wrote: I love my Dell Inspiron 1720 - no noise from the fan a On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:51 PM, sh0099 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for audio i think dell is not so nice because of its loud fan a friend have a asus laptop which are more quiet Daniel Green schrieb: I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into consideration: Fast hard drive Multiple(?) Firwire ports USB ports Decent sized screen. Long battery life Linux friendly. No need to worry about the audio card as it should be replaced with something external anyways. Any recommendations for this too? I am open to and appreciate all advice. Thank you! Daniel. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users - -- You can thank God for atheists! http://www.justgiving.com/atheistbus -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFJK7aJKTaqpMPqlXYRAot3AJ4+XZ0Nx+k+dWzy72FQa+NSu1si4QCeO2Ud Jr7E0qv9TkBnMYp+K5pZbPY= =HnRS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Audio Production Laptop
I was considering exactly this and I chose a refurb macbook. (Black one...$1099) When purchased from apple they are warrantee them as a new box. FW 800 is not a mandate for 'me'. FW400 and usb 2.0 get me threw the day. That, coupled with 2.4 GHz 2mb Ram and 250 G hd work for me. Hard drive and ram upgrades will be easy enuf in the future but get me threw for the next year or so. Ardour 2.5 SAE now works really well in OSX too. The apple product is solid. They charge you for it. FW800 is the MBpro only so that will bump you up a few $$ but if you can get by w/ FW400 I'd encourage you to consider the previous generation Macbook. (refurbished) Hope this helps. On Nov 24, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Eric Hedekar wrote: The new macbooks don't even have firewire until you get into the pro range. Why pay for the marketing hype? -Eric On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Karoliina Salminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you could consider a Mac. The new unibody Macbook is pretty nice. I have the older model. It has Intel chipset, fast processor etc. and you can install Ubuntu-Studio on it with bootcamp. The internal audio hardware is pretty good, at least on MacOSX side there is no such thing as latency in the Logic Studio (Logic Pro 8). I have not tested Ubuntu Studio with it (the Ubuntu Studio is on a desktop PC). The fan noise is low and in general the laptop is very nice. The new model should be even nicer. It is manufactured from aluminum block with machining - awesome! I am pretty happy with the Mac hardware, and I think it would worth to spend the little premium also for a Linux machine to get the Apple HW. The Macbook is quite reasonably priced. http://www.apple.com/macbook/ Best Regards, Karoliina -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- ___ http://greyrockstudio.blogspot.com -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Audio Production Laptop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric Hedekar wrote: The new macbooks don't even have firewire until you get into the pro range. Why pay for the marketing hype? -Eric I agree. The premium payed for Macs is not reflected in the actual hardware used. I just priced out a loaded Dell Latitude E6400, which fully loaded is the same price as the starter Macbook. The Dell is using a better CPU, double the RAM, a fast hard drive (7200 RPM laptop drive) etc. It just doesn't make sense unless you actually care about the solid aluminum body :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJK9ZxwRXgH3rKGfMRAt4nAJ49GZyaZ4pHmQHEdm59flLgzqIuCwCdF8rQ gtspHk2ieUfbEsil2fGe9g4= =zCK3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Hi, Just to add my $.02. I have a Dell XPS. I have not noticed any fan noise. Mac -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Audio Production Laptop
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a Dell XPS. I have not noticed any fan noise. Dell Inspiron 9400 - didn't have any fan noise when I got it two years ago. Now I can hear the fan noise. I blame the worn down fan bearings + dust + grime blocking the passages. Still very quiet laptop IMHO. -- Hakan (m1fcj) - http://www.hititgunesi.org -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Audio Production Laptop
I agree. The premium payed for Macs is not reflected in the actual hardware used. I just priced out a loaded Dell Latitude E6400, which fully loaded is the same price as the starter Macbook. The Dell is using a better CPU, double the RAM, a fast hard drive (7200 RPM laptop drive) etc. It just doesn't make sense unless you actually care about the solid aluminum body :) I have 7200 rpm laptop drive on my older Macbook and I upgraded the RAM to 4GB using cheap Mac compatible RAMs (other than sold by Apple) and the setup works fine. And I do care about the solid aluminium body. The older model did not have that, but even with that I have been pretty happy. The build quality is excellent. I have used Dells for couple of years and I can not say the same for their build quality, they are cheap crap where the Mac is a solid product. If you want cheap, then go for Dell, if you want good quality, awesome design / styling etc. get a Mac. If you don't care about style and having the nice beautiful product doesn't make you feel like Christmas each time you look and touch it, then just forget about it, get something cheap that will do the task and buy a new when it breaks. In my case, it is not that simple as that. After tens of years of plastic boxes, I got really bored to the cheap plastics that break because their build quality is so awful (one old Dell we have is no longer usable because the plastic chassis is not rigid enough to not cause disconnects etc. inside if moved at all) and I buy now only good quality hardware which looks feels really nice and Macs meet that criteria, I am no longer just looking at the price-raw-performance ratio. It is a personal choice. I don't personally need the firewire (and I kind of feel it is a bit overrated), because I am using the internal sound card and for all MIDI etc. connectivity USB is just fine. At home I am using the iMac for music. I don't have audio interface on it either, I figured that after all, I may not need one, the internal sound is good enough. I have a mixer connected to the line input. Works for me since I am doing electronic music and only recording one synthesizer (when using the external hardware synths) at a time (because I don't have anybody else but me playing). I have a 8 in / 8 out audio interface on the custom desktop PC (which is running Ubuntu Studio), its internal audio hardware is unusable for music (unlike on Mac). Best Regards, Karoliina ( http://karoliinamusic.blogspot.com ) (Typing this from non-studio-Ubuntu Intrepid running on Thinkpad T61p (which is okay for a PC, but not as nice as my Macs are, and came with unnecessary Windows-license (never booted it to Windows before installing the Ubuntu))) -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Audio Production Laptop
Awesome. Thanks for the continual support and information. Right now I'm looking at this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220349 For a modest $849.99 The cool part is that it has an eSATA port so that I can connect an uber second storage device instead of replacing the internal hard drive. That is what is recommended, right? Working off of a fast access drive for audio recording? Here are the relevant stats: Brand: ASUS Series: M51 Series Model: M51TA-X2 CPU Type: AMD Turion X2 Ultra ZM-82 2.2G Screen: 15.4 WXGA+ Memory Size: 4GB DDR2 Hard Disk : 250GB Optical Drive: DVD Super Multi Graphics Card: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 Video Memory: 512MB CPU Type: AMD Turion X2 Ultra CPU Speed: ZM-82(2.20GHz) CPU L2 Cache: 2MB USB: 4 IEEE 1394: 1 1 x E-SATA 1 x Headphone-out jack (S/PDIF) Audio: Integrated Sound card # Wont be using it!!! Speaker: Internal Speakers # Ewww, uh no. See above. Battery: 6-cell lithium ion What do you guys think? On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Karoliina Salminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. The premium payed for Macs is not reflected in the actual hardware used. I just priced out a loaded Dell Latitude E6400, which fully loaded is the same price as the starter Macbook. The Dell is using a better CPU, double the RAM, a fast hard drive (7200 RPM laptop drive) etc. It just doesn't make sense unless you actually care about the solid aluminum body :) I have 7200 rpm laptop drive on my older Macbook and I upgraded the RAM to 4GB using cheap Mac compatible RAMs (other than sold by Apple) and the setup works fine. And I do care about the solid aluminium body. The older model did not have that, but even with that I have been pretty happy. The build quality is excellent. I have used Dells for couple of years and I can not say the same for their build quality, they are cheap crap where the Mac is a solid product. If you want cheap, then go for Dell, if you want good quality, awesome design / styling etc. get a Mac. If you don't care about style and having the nice beautiful product doesn't make you feel like Christmas each time you look and touch it, then just forget about it, get something cheap that will do the task and buy a new when it breaks. In my case, it is not that simple as that. After tens of years of plastic boxes, I got really bored to the cheap plastics that break because their build quality is so awful (one old Dell we have is no longer usable because the plastic chassis is not rigid enough to not cause disconnects etc. inside if moved at all) and I buy now only good quality hardware which looks feels really nice and Macs meet that criteria, I am no longer just looking at the price-raw-performance ratio. It is a personal choice. I don't personally need the firewire (and I kind of feel it is a bit overrated), because I am using the internal sound card and for all MIDI etc. connectivity USB is just fine. At home I am using the iMac for music. I don't have audio interface on it either, I figured that after all, I may not need one, the internal sound is good enough. I have a mixer connected to the line input. Works for me since I am doing electronic music and only recording one synthesizer (when using the external hardware synths) at a time (because I don't have anybody else but me playing). I have a 8 in / 8 out audio interface on the custom desktop PC (which is running Ubuntu Studio), its internal audio hardware is unusable for music (unlike on Mac). Best Regards, Karoliina ( http://karoliinamusic.blogspot.com ) (Typing this from non-studio-Ubuntu Intrepid running on Thinkpad T61p (which is okay for a PC, but not as nice as my Macs are, and came with unnecessary Windows-license (never booted it to Windows before installing the Ubuntu))) -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Audio Production Laptop
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Daniel Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Awesome. Thanks for the continual support and information. Right now I'm looking at this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220349 For a modest $849.99 The cool part is that it has an eSATA port so that I can connect an uber second storage device instead of replacing the internal hard drive. That is what is recommended, right? Working off of a fast access drive for audio recording? Here are the relevant stats: Brand: ASUS Series: M51 Series Model: M51TA-X2 CPU Type: AMD Turion X2 Ultra ZM-82 2.2G Screen: 15.4 WXGA+ Memory Size: 4GB DDR2 Hard Disk : 250GB Optical Drive: DVD Super Multi Graphics Card: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 Video Memory: 512MB CPU Type: AMD Turion X2 Ultra CPU Speed: ZM-82(2.20GHz) CPU L2 Cache: 2MB USB: 4 IEEE 1394: 1 1 x E-SATA 1 x Headphone-out jack (S/PDIF) Audio: Integrated Sound card # Wont be using it!!! Speaker: Internal Speakers # Ewww, uh no. See above. Battery: 6-cell lithium ion What do you guys think? I'm stuck with a 15 screen on my laptop, and wishing I wasn't. You may feel differently, though... ;-) -- Christopher Stamper Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Karoliina Salminen wrote: I agree. The premium payed for Macs is not reflected in the actual hardware used. I just priced out a loaded Dell Latitude E6400, which fully loaded is the same price as the starter Macbook. The Dell is using a better CPU, double the RAM, a fast hard drive (7200 RPM laptop drive) etc. It just doesn't make sense unless you actually care about the solid aluminum body :) I have 7200 rpm laptop drive on my older Macbook and I upgraded the RAM to 4GB using cheap Mac compatible RAMs (other than sold by Apple) and the setup works fine. Those cost extra, putting the cost benefit ratio further out for me. And I do care about the solid aluminium body. The older model did not have that, but even with that I have been pretty happy. The build quality is excellent. I have used Dells for couple of years and I can not say the same for their build quality, they are cheap crap where the Mac is a solid product. If you want cheap, then go for Dell, if Generalizations tend to be innaccurate. Certainly Dell has their low cost lines (the Inspiron), but their Latitude lines are awesome. We have been using them at work for a while now and I do enjoy the noticeable build quality difference. The same goes for the XPS lines as well. you want good quality, awesome design / styling etc. get a Mac. If you don't care about style and having the nice beautiful product doesn't make you feel like Christmas each time you look and touch it, This is the e6400 for me. Whatever you may want to say about Dell, you at least know exactly what you are getting. How many different 2.4 Ghz CPUs does Intel make? For those of use who care, we can get exactly the CPU we want. For those of you who don't care you can always buy a Mac :) then just forget about it, get something cheap that will do the task and buy a new when it breaks. In my case, it is not that simple as that. After tens of years of plastic boxes, I got really bored to the cheap plastics that break because their build quality is so awful (one old Dell we have is no longer usable because the plastic chassis is not rigid enough to not cause disconnects etc. inside if moved at all) and I buy now only good quality hardware which looks feels really nice and Macs meet that criteria, I am no longer just looking at the price-raw-performance ratio. It is a personal choice. I have been beating up Dell laptops for 10 years, and my experience has been different from yours. I have a Dell 733 that just won't die. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJLOnqwRXgH3rKGfMRAmKkAJ9it1GRBQM3pikAA8fyQqPNQRA9fwCggoME JqdsSiiF2ZzjOQ4Wiv8Aejc= =xkmi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 6:17 AM, Gustin Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Karoliina Salminen wrote: I agree. The premium payed for Macs is not reflected in the actual hardware used. I just priced out a loaded Dell Latitude E6400, which fully loaded is the same price as the starter Macbook. The Dell is using a better CPU, double the RAM, a fast hard drive (7200 RPM laptop drive) etc. It just doesn't make sense unless you actually care about the solid aluminum body :) I have 7200 rpm laptop drive on my older Macbook and I upgraded the RAM to 4GB using cheap Mac compatible RAMs (other than sold by Apple) and the setup works fine. Those cost extra, putting the cost benefit ratio further out for me. And I do care about the solid aluminium body. The older model did not have that, but even with that I have been pretty happy. The build quality is excellent. I have used Dells for couple of years and I can not say the same for their build quality, they are cheap crap where the Mac is a solid product. If you want cheap, then go for Dell, if Generalizations tend to be innaccurate. Certainly Dell has their low cost lines (the Inspiron), *** My Inspiron 1720 cost me $2500, I would not really call that cheap. Its also very beautiful in a minimalist sort of way :). but their Latitude lines are awesome. We have been using them at work for a while now and I do enjoy the noticeable build quality difference. The same goes for the XPS lines as well. you want good quality, awesome design / styling etc. get a Mac. If you don't care about style and having the nice beautiful product doesn't make you feel like Christmas each time you look and touch it, This is the e6400 for me. Whatever you may want to say about Dell, you at least know exactly what you are getting. How many different 2.4 Ghz CPUs does Intel make? For those of use who care, we can get exactly the CPU we want. For those of you who don't care you can always buy a Mac :) then just forget about it, get something cheap that will do the task and buy a new when it breaks. In my case, it is not that simple as that. After tens of years of plastic boxes, I got really bored to the cheap plastics that break because their build quality is so awful (one old Dell we have is no longer usable because the plastic chassis is not rigid enough to not cause disconnects etc. inside if moved at all) and I buy now only good quality hardware which looks feels really nice and Macs meet that criteria, I am no longer just looking at the price-raw-performance ratio. It is a personal choice. I have been beating up Dell laptops for 10 years, and my experience has been different from yours. I have a Dell 733 that just won't die. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJLOnqwRXgH3rKGfMRAmKkAJ9it1GRBQM3pikAA8fyQqPNQRA9fwCggoME JqdsSiiF2ZzjOQ4Wiv8Aejc= =xkmi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Audio Production Laptop
for audio i think dell is not so nice because of its loud fan a friend have a asus laptop which are more quiet Daniel Green schrieb: I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into consideration: Fast hard drive Multiple(?) Firwire ports USB ports Decent sized screen. Long battery life Linux friendly. No need to worry about the audio card as it should be replaced with something external anyways. Any recommendations for this too? I am open to and appreciate all advice. Thank you! Daniel. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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The new macbooks don't even have firewire until you get into the pro range. Why pay for the marketing hype? -Eric On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Karoliina Salminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you could consider a Mac. The new unibody Macbook is pretty nice. I have the older model. It has Intel chipset, fast processor etc. and you can install Ubuntu-Studio on it with bootcamp. The internal audio hardware is pretty good, at least on MacOSX side there is no such thing as latency in the Logic Studio (Logic Pro 8). I have not tested Ubuntu Studio with it (the Ubuntu Studio is on a desktop PC). The fan noise is low and in general the laptop is very nice. The new model should be even nicer. It is manufactured from aluminum block with machining - awesome! I am pretty happy with the Mac hardware, and I think it would worth to spend the little premium also for a Linux machine to get the Apple HW. The Macbook is quite reasonably priced. http://www.apple.com/macbook/ Best Regards, Karoliina -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- ___ http://greyrockstudio.blogspot.com -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Sounds like he saw something similar to what I mentioned in an earlier post. But, the Ubuntu CD I received with mine was an official Ubuntu CD. I didn't pursue why it wouldn't re-format the FAT partition that Dell had used. I just used Gparted live to reformat and then reloaded Ubuntu. Mac Original Message: - From: Matthew Polashek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:11:53 -0500 To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: RE: Audio Production Laptop An importsant note here!! My brother purchased a dell ubuntu laptop but ubuntustudio did not install on it off the mirror iso images. He actually was unable to easily install ubuntustudio and runs the dell version of ubuntu on it, having become too frustrated. Granted he's probably a little time challenged, but this is a really important consideration. On the otherhand, I run a dell d510 all day every day, and though I wish the screen resolution was better, it's awesome! I never use my apple G4 powerbook anymore. mail2web.com Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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I am a fan of firewire, in fact it's my favourite kind of wire. Should I limit myself to laptops that have multiple firewire ports? Or would getting a PCMCIA card with firewire interfaces or something be a better bet? Judging by several conversations I've had with digital audio enthusiasts, I'm on the side of firewire as well. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to go off topic, but I'm fascinated by the line: I am not a fan of firewire. Not a fan of firewire(more correctly, ieee 1394) because of compatability issues or because of the standard itself? I am a fan of firewire, in fact it's my favourite kind of wire. Firewire does things that USB simply cannot do, ie, reliably feed my 7-year-old computer with 12 channels of audio simultaneously. And I easily expand that a great deal. Philip Schleihauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Gustin Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Green wrote: I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into consideration: Fast hard drive Multiple(?) Firwire ports I am not a fan of firewire. Check the FFADO site for hardware compatability. USB ports Decent sized screen. Inversely proportional to battery life. The larger the screen, the shorter the battery life Long battery life Linux friendly. No need to worry about the audio card as it should be replaced with something external anyways. Any recommendations for this too? I am open to and appreciate all advice. I am in the process of getting a new laptop as wll. I eventually settled on a Dell Latitude (business line, more expensive but very well made) e6400. 14 screen (1440x900 w/ LCD backlighting, good visuals and low power draw). Of course fully loaded I will be spending ~$2400 CDN (including docking station and 3 years accidental damage coverage). My second choice is a Thinkpad, with similar specs. Also, CPU, Chipset, Video, LAN, WiFi is all made by Intel, which are all currently well supported under Linux. I would also be very careful with the firewire devices, check the ffado site for supported hardware *before* you buy. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Phil wrote: Sorry to go off topic, but I'm fascinated by the line: I am not a fan of firewire. Not a fan of firewire(more correctly, ieee 1394) because of compatability issues or because of the standard itself? I used to be a fan of ieee 1394, but years of experience have jaded me. There are two reasons that I dislike ieee 1394. The first is that a lot of firewire devices use proprietary protocols to communicate across the link, which makes them useless to Linux users (RME Fireface anyone?). This is not a problem with ieee 1394 per se, but it means that most firewire audio gear is useless to me. I used FFADO back when it was called FreeBob, not a pleasant experience. The second is that firewire is a security problem. The idea that an external device can directly read and copy the contents in RAM without any sort of authentication or access control scares me. This is one of those things that I am glad USB does *not* do. Even more unbelievable is that this behaviour is part of the spec. I am a fan of firewire, in fact it's my favourite kind of wire. Firewire does things that USB simply cannot do, ie, reliably feed my 7-year-old computer with 12 channels of audio simultaneously. And I easily expand that a great deal. Philip Schleihauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Wow, take a look at the Rain Recording Livebook L7 Laptop Audio Computer CPU: 2.5GHz Intel Penryn Core 2 Duo (T9300) Hard Drive: 200GB SATA 300 7200RPM (16MB Cache) RAM: 4GB DDR2 (Dual Channel - Matched Pair) Display: 15.4 WXGA+ Widescreen (1280x800) Graphics: NIVIDIA Goforce 8600M GS (256MB) USB: 4 x USB 2.0 Ports FireWire: 2 x 6-pin on PCI Express Card (TI Chipset), 1 x 4-pin onboard PCIe: PCI Express Notebook Card Slot Optical Drive: Dual Layer DVD±RW/CD-RW Combo Drive WiFi : Integrated mobile Intel 802.11 LAN: 10/100/1000 Ethernet Modem: 56k V.90/V.92 Modem RJ-11 Webcam: 2 megapixel Media Card: 7 in 1 Card Reader Battery: 6 cell Li-Ion battery Audio: Intel HD Audio, Built-in Stereo Speakers and Microphone Video Out: 1 x VGA Port for external display, 1 x s-video out Input Devices: Touchpad, 88 key keyboard Bluetooth: Optional Dimensions: 14. x 10.1 x 1.1~1.5 (WxDxH) Weight: 6.1 lbs. w/ 6 cel battery Too bad it's $2,199.00. I'm not sure that's worth it. I'm looking for something much closer to $1,000 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Daniel Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into consideration: Fast hard drive Multiple(?) Firwire ports USB ports Decent sized screen. Long battery life Linux friendly. No need to worry about the audio card as it should be replaced with something external anyways. Any recommendations for this too? I am open to and appreciate all advice. Thank you! Daniel. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Daniel Green wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Daniel Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into consideration: Fast hard drive Multiple(?) Firwire ports USB ports Decent sized screen. Long battery life Linux friendly. No need to worry about the audio card as it should be replaced with something external anyways. Any recommendations for this too? I am open to and appreciate all advice. Wow, take a look at the Rain Recording Livebook L7 Laptop Audio Computer CPU: 2.5GHz Intel Penryn Core 2 Duo (T9300) Hard Drive: 200GB SATA 300 7200RPM (16MB Cache) RAM: 4GB DDR2 (Dual Channel - Matched Pair) Display: 15.4 WXGA+ Widescreen (1280x800) Graphics: NIVIDIA Goforce 8600M GS (256MB) USB: 4 x USB 2.0 Ports FireWire: 2 x 6-pin on PCI Express Card (TI Chipset), 1 x 4-pin onboard PCIe: PCI Express Notebook Card Slot Optical Drive: Dual Layer DVD±RW/CD-RW Combo Drive WiFi : Integrated mobile Intel 802.11 LAN: 10/100/1000 Ethernet Modem: 56k V.90/V.92 Modem RJ-11 Webcam: 2 megapixel Media Card: 7 in 1 Card Reader Battery: 6 cell Li-Ion battery Audio: Intel HD Audio, Built-in Stereo Speakers and Microphone Video Out: 1 x VGA Port for external display, 1 x s-video out Input Devices: Touchpad, 88 key keyboard Bluetooth: Optional Dimensions: 14. x 10.1 x 1.1~1.5 (WxDxH) Weight: 6.1 lbs. w/ 6 cel battery Looks good. Too bad it's $2,199.00. I'm not sure that's worth it. I'm looking for something much closer to $1,000 You pay for size. If that's the range you're looking at go for something used. -Cory K. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Considering the Linux friendly I'd say Dell is your best bet. Orderit with linux on it. You will have to reformat and install Studio but atleaste you know you have all the drivers . Besides dell makes good sturdy products. Daniel Green wrote: I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into consideration: Fast hard drive Multiple(?) Firwire ports USB ports Decent sized screen. Long battery life Linux friendly. No need to worry about the audio card as it should be replaced with something external anyways. Any recommendations for this too? I am open to and appreciate all advice. Thank you! Daniel. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Daniel Green wrote: I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into consideration: Having a Dell Inspiron 9400 and recently got and installed 8.04 Studio on a Dell Inspiron 1525, I can say that their internal sound card is completely useless. USB-plugged cards works reasonably fine (unless it's an M-Audio Quattro - which will be my bane). I haven't tried a firewire card yet, the only one that used to be around at home was a Digidesign Protools interface and I never had time to try it out. -- Hakan - http://www.hititgunesi.org -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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IBM has some good deals at their refurb site: Certified Used Lenovo 3000 Y410 Model: T59011897 Intel Core Duo 1.66GHz http://www-304.ibm.com/shop/americas/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/default/ProductDisplay?productId=4611686018425709792storeId=1langId=-1categoryId=2576396dualCurrId=73catalogId=-840 IBM.com - Products - Certified Used Equipment - Notebooks The refurb ThinkPads usually have MS pre-installed. -=cybersean=- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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I am a huge fan of the Lenovo (ibm) thinkpads! They have the best suspend support and they use well supported hardware, which is not always true of Dell or anyone else. I have the thinkpad t61 15.4 widescreen 1680x1050, which is a great resolution for working with ardour and hydrogen, etc. It is a little large for lots of travel, but with the 6 cell battery, its very light. I have the iwl 3945 ABG wireless. Its awesome except the need for proprietary firmware. The atheros has free drivers now, ath9k https://www.fsf.org/news/ath9k So I might replace the mini-pci intel wireless with one of those:-) I also love how rugged the computer is, great for traveling. I take my laptop everywhere and my previous dell laptops would get wobly screens and flimsy keys. The price was great too, (2gb mem, 2.1 intel core 2 duo, bluetooth, wifi, dvd/cd burner, 3 yr full protection warranty, built in mem card reader) $1170.00 Oh and lastly, I recently built the 2.6.26.5 kernel patched with realtime rt and the internal intel hda sound card became a rock solid, extremely low latency sound card (~ 5ms). Previously it was crap and I was forced to always use my m-audio fast track pro (~8ms). -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Daniel Green wrote: I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into consideration: Fast hard drive Multiple(?) Firwire ports I am not a fan of firewire. Check the FFADO site for hardware compatability. USB ports Decent sized screen. Inversely proportional to battery life. The larger the screen, the shorter the battery life Long battery life Linux friendly. No need to worry about the audio card as it should be replaced with something external anyways. Any recommendations for this too? I am open to and appreciate all advice. I am in the process of getting a new laptop as wll. I eventually settled on a Dell Latitude (business line, more expensive but very well made) e6400. 14 screen (1440x900 w/ LCD backlighting, good visuals and low power draw). Of course fully loaded I will be spending ~$2400 CDN (including docking station and 3 years accidental damage coverage). My second choice is a Thinkpad, with similar specs. Also, CPU, Chipset, Video, LAN, WiFi is all made by Intel, which are all currently well supported under Linux. I would also be very careful with the firewire devices, check the ffado site for supported hardware *before* you buy. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Gustin Johnson wrote: Daniel Green wrote: I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into consideration: Fast hard drive 7200 RPM drive is what you will likely want. I bought mine from a local shop and then installed it into the laptop. Usually laptop manufacturers charge a premium for these, so you are better off adding one after the fact. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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An importsant note here!! My brother purchased a dell ubuntu laptop but ubuntustudio did not install on it off the mirror iso images. He actually was unable to easily install ubuntustudio and runs the dell version of ubuntu on it, having become too frustrated. Granted he's probably a little time challenged, but this is a really important consideration. On the otherhand, I run a dell d510 all day every day, and though I wish the screen resolution was better, it's awesome! I never use my apple G4 powerbook anymore. -Original Message- From: AJ Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:45 PM To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Audio Production Laptop Considering the Linux friendly I'd say Dell is your best bet. Orderit with linux on it. You will have to reformat and install Studio but atleaste you know you have all the drivers . Besides dell makes good sturdy products. Daniel Green wrote: I'm looking to get my hands on a laptop I can use for audio production and live performance with UbuntuStudio. I need a bit of help finding something suitable. I figure the following should be taken into consideration: Fast hard drive Multiple(?) Firwire ports USB ports Decent sized screen. Long battery life Linux friendly. No need to worry about the audio card as it should be replaced with something external anyways. Any recommendations for this too? I am open to and appreciate all advice. Thank you! Daniel. [The entire original message is not included] -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
