Re: JACK keeps me frustrated
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 alex stone wrote: > I'd have to agree with this, Hartmut. > > In my explorations with Jack, i kept a backup of each change as a > ".jackdrc" numbered file, i.e. .jackdrc1, .jackdrc2, etc.. > Works well, and is highly useful for experimentation. If one doesn't > work, rename any of the others as .jackdrc, and, well, voila. > I found I no longer need to do this. Once I understood how jack works, I can set it up in my sleep. The other advantage that we have is that there is no fragile registry. One wrong step, and even with a backup you are screwed. It is not very easy to copy configs and settings to another machine (it can be done, but it is no where as simple as cp .jackdrc /media/myusbstick > I'd also agree that Jack is powerful, not monstrous. It takes careful > thought, and experimentation from the User, to define it's state for a > unique HW setup, but the results are good. Effort in, reward out. > Industrial tools are more dangerous and more powerful. If you want to swim in the deep end of the pool with the big kids, you have to take some responsibility and learn. Also, Linux is not Windows. There may be some similarities, but this is a very different world. Once you wrap your head around it, the FLOSS world will not look any more scary than a big pile'o lego. > And a big plus 1 for the wisdom of backing up, before and after changes. > 20 years ago I was taught to save often and make backups. Amazing how some things never change :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJFY8KwRXgH3rKGfMRAr3QAKCB1uoxAqPyb2FyI67WOuVr+XLaXgCfZ1KD Yzal2JP+erF6yxF5SbaCuw8= =knYp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: JACK keeps me frustrated
I'd have to agree with this, Hartmut. In my explorations with Jack, i kept a backup of each change as a ".jackdrc" numbered file, i.e. .jackdrc1, .jackdrc2, etc.. Works well, and is highly useful for experimentation. If one doesn't work, rename any of the others as .jackdrc, and, well, voila. I'd also agree that Jack is powerful, not monstrous. It takes careful thought, and experimentation from the User, to define it's state for a unique HW setup, but the results are good. Effort in, reward out. And a big plus 1 for the wisdom of backing up, before and after changes. Alex. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Hartmut Noack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Tomas Valusek schrieb: > > Hello, > > > > I curse JACK - such a hostile piece of software, > > Its not hostile - its powerfull. Dont curse the chainsaw, if you cut > your foot, you would not be happy with a pocket-knife either ;-) > > > whose error messages > > provide no help, stops itself working after mere editing of options > > according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToJACKConfiguration > > (first example, I happen to have the same sound card). > > THis example is errmmm... not perfectly the right choice for the average > sound-card: > > - - Force 16bit should not be needed > - - Selecting different devices for in/out should not be needed > > Choosing hw:00 as in/out in full duplex should do for more or less every > modern soundcard > > Selecting 3 periods/buffer often helps with cheapo-soundcards and is > recommended for all fiewire and usb devices > > > > > The worst - I don't know how to return to previous working state other > > from completely reinstall Ubuntu Studio from scratch ... If only Linux > > had Restore points as WinXP does ... > > So this is the outcome of the bespoken Ubuntu usability efforts? Users > long for Bug No1 in launchpad because the concept of making a backup and > restore it if needed could be "too complicated" for Bob and Rosie?? > whoooaaahhh -- scary messages scrolling by }:-] > > > I absolutely don't know what now, how to return JACK to its previous > > working state. Can anyone help me? Many thanks in advance. > > To set jackd in its initial (working) state you only need to do as follows: > > 1.) open you filemanager and make it show hidden files > 2.) search for .qt/qjackctlrc and .jackdrc > 3.) make sure neither qjackctl nor jackd are running and delete them > > Starting qjackctl afterwards should give the same result as if you had a > new-installed system. > > This is a the simple trick for making "restore points": store all files > and folders in your home-dir starting with a dot and store /etc > completely. whenever you want to return to a previous state, restore > these files, first those in you /home if this is not enough the > /etc-stuff also. > You should be carefull about the /etc-files if you install new software > or do other config-stuff as root. If you like the results, make a fresh > backup. If not uninstall the unwanted software and undo the configs. > Only if one of the latter 2 fails, restore the /etc-files immediately. > > > good luck ;-) > HZN > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFJE2Nl1Aecwva1SWMRAkG7AJ4ubnxs1Tkzb4YOJnHzbZR+R3j6twCfSjY9 > IUJWC7Dbz7WbE25Ds3EFhxg= > =lpm8 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list > Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: JACK keeps me frustrated
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tomas Valusek schrieb: > Hello, > > I curse JACK - such a hostile piece of software, Its not hostile - its powerfull. Dont curse the chainsaw, if you cut your foot, you would not be happy with a pocket-knife either ;-) > whose error messages > provide no help, stops itself working after mere editing of options > according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToJACKConfiguration > (first example, I happen to have the same sound card). THis example is errmmm... not perfectly the right choice for the average sound-card: - - Force 16bit should not be needed - - Selecting different devices for in/out should not be needed Choosing hw:00 as in/out in full duplex should do for more or less every modern soundcard Selecting 3 periods/buffer often helps with cheapo-soundcards and is recommended for all fiewire and usb devices > > The worst - I don't know how to return to previous working state other > from completely reinstall Ubuntu Studio from scratch ... If only Linux > had Restore points as WinXP does ... So this is the outcome of the bespoken Ubuntu usability efforts? Users long for Bug No1 in launchpad because the concept of making a backup and restore it if needed could be "too complicated" for Bob and Rosie?? whoooaaahhh -- scary messages scrolling by }:-] > I absolutely don't know what now, how to return JACK to its previous > working state. Can anyone help me? Many thanks in advance. To set jackd in its initial (working) state you only need to do as follows: 1.) open you filemanager and make it show hidden files 2.) search for .qt/qjackctlrc and .jackdrc 3.) make sure neither qjackctl nor jackd are running and delete them Starting qjackctl afterwards should give the same result as if you had a new-installed system. This is a the simple trick for making "restore points": store all files and folders in your home-dir starting with a dot and store /etc completely. whenever you want to return to a previous state, restore these files, first those in you /home if this is not enough the /etc-stuff also. You should be carefull about the /etc-files if you install new software or do other config-stuff as root. If you like the results, make a fresh backup. If not uninstall the unwanted software and undo the configs. Only if one of the latter 2 fails, restore the /etc-files immediately. good luck ;-) HZN -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJE2Nl1Aecwva1SWMRAkG7AJ4ubnxs1Tkzb4YOJnHzbZR+R3j6twCfSjY9 IUJWC7Dbz7WbE25Ds3EFhxg= =lpm8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: JACK keeps me frustrated
Hello, excuse me - board Asus P5GD1Pro, Processor Intel Celeron single-core 3.2GHz, ATI 3600 PCIe, 2GB RAM, Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS/PCI, HDD WD 500 GB + Seagate 250GB, USB Bluetooth adapter Belkin, two DVD-RW drives. Tomas Valusek Matthew Polashek napsal(a): > what is your computer hardware? > > Tomas Valusek wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'm playing with Ubuntu Studio 8.10. I like restore points since they >> are created before software installs (here either by Add/Remove applet, >> manual apt invoking or using Synaptic) and they helped me much on >> Windows since I could easily remember when my system worked fine and >> could choose this "random" point, as you say. >> >> My soundcard is SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS PCI. Now I'm about to restar >> installing Ubuntu Studio from scratch, losing all tweaks I've already >> performed. >> >> Thanks for your patience, since messing with partially known apps is >> always dangerous and I still cannot understand JACK well - and maybe >> some apps I would never suspect interfere with it - maybe Bluetooth >> Manager, maybe OpenOffice, maybe Sun JRE 6.10, maybe OpenOffice 2.4.1, >> maybe even Gnome games - BTW, I tried "mother" Ubuntu Interpid distro >> and JACK was unable to start after I installed ubuntu-studio-audio and >> ubuntu-studio-audio-plugins metapackages. >> >> Tomas Valusek >> >> sandie napsal(a): >> >>> Hi >>> >>> If you click "Setup" in jackctl, you can save your presets, a very nice >>> feature if you play around with the settings, and imho... it's a much >>> better option than those "random" restore points. >>> >>> and remember... Linux is not windows ;-) >>> >>> Kind regards >>> Sandie >>> >>> >>> Tomas Valusek wrote: >>> Hello, I curse JACK - such a hostile piece of software, whose error messages provide no help, stops itself working after mere editing of options according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToJACKConfiguration (first example, I happen to have the same sound card). The worst - I don't know how to return to previous working state other from completely reinstall Ubuntu Studio from scratch ... If only Linux had Restore points as WinXP does ... Unfortunately, I'm sending this mail from Windows, which is still my main working OS, Ubuntu Studio didn't make it from experimentation state yet, so I can't provide contents of JAKC's Message Window. I absolutely don't know what now, how to return JACK to its previous working state. Can anyone help me? Many thanks in advance. Tomas Valusek >>> >> > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: JACK keeps me frustrated
what is your computer hardware? Tomas Valusek wrote: > Hello, > > I'm playing with Ubuntu Studio 8.10. I like restore points since they > are created before software installs (here either by Add/Remove applet, > manual apt invoking or using Synaptic) and they helped me much on > Windows since I could easily remember when my system worked fine and > could choose this "random" point, as you say. > > My soundcard is SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS PCI. Now I'm about to restar > installing Ubuntu Studio from scratch, losing all tweaks I've already > performed. > > Thanks for your patience, since messing with partially known apps is > always dangerous and I still cannot understand JACK well - and maybe > some apps I would never suspect interfere with it - maybe Bluetooth > Manager, maybe OpenOffice, maybe Sun JRE 6.10, maybe OpenOffice 2.4.1, > maybe even Gnome games - BTW, I tried "mother" Ubuntu Interpid distro > and JACK was unable to start after I installed ubuntu-studio-audio and > ubuntu-studio-audio-plugins metapackages. > > Tomas Valusek > > sandie napsal(a): > >> Hi >> >> If you click "Setup" in jackctl, you can save your presets, a very nice >> feature if you play around with the settings, and imho... it's a much >> better option than those "random" restore points. >> >> and remember... Linux is not windows ;-) >> >> Kind regards >> Sandie >> >> >> Tomas Valusek wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I curse JACK - such a hostile piece of software, whose error messages >>> provide no help, stops itself working after mere editing of options >>> according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToJACKConfiguration >>> (first example, I happen to have the same sound card). >>> >>> The worst - I don't know how to return to previous working state other >>> from completely reinstall Ubuntu Studio from scratch ... If only Linux >>> had Restore points as WinXP does ... >>> >>> Unfortunately, I'm sending this mail from Windows, which is still my >>> main working OS, Ubuntu Studio didn't make it from experimentation state >>> yet, so I can't provide contents of JAKC's Message Window. >>> >>> I absolutely don't know what now, how to return JACK to its previous >>> working state. Can anyone help me? Many thanks in advance. >>> >>> Tomas Valusek >>> >>> >>> >> > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: JACK keeps me frustrated
Hello, I'm playing with Ubuntu Studio 8.10. I like restore points since they are created before software installs (here either by Add/Remove applet, manual apt invoking or using Synaptic) and they helped me much on Windows since I could easily remember when my system worked fine and could choose this "random" point, as you say. My soundcard is SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS PCI. Now I'm about to restar installing Ubuntu Studio from scratch, losing all tweaks I've already performed. Thanks for your patience, since messing with partially known apps is always dangerous and I still cannot understand JACK well - and maybe some apps I would never suspect interfere with it - maybe Bluetooth Manager, maybe OpenOffice, maybe Sun JRE 6.10, maybe OpenOffice 2.4.1, maybe even Gnome games - BTW, I tried "mother" Ubuntu Interpid distro and JACK was unable to start after I installed ubuntu-studio-audio and ubuntu-studio-audio-plugins metapackages. Tomas Valusek sandie napsal(a): > Hi > > If you click "Setup" in jackctl, you can save your presets, a very nice > feature if you play around with the settings, and imho... it's a much > better option than those "random" restore points. > > and remember... Linux is not windows ;-) > > Kind regards > Sandie > > > Tomas Valusek wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I curse JACK - such a hostile piece of software, whose error messages >> provide no help, stops itself working after mere editing of options >> according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToJACKConfiguration >> (first example, I happen to have the same sound card). >> >> The worst - I don't know how to return to previous working state other >> from completely reinstall Ubuntu Studio from scratch ... If only Linux >> had Restore points as WinXP does ... >> >> Unfortunately, I'm sending this mail from Windows, which is still my >> main working OS, Ubuntu Studio didn't make it from experimentation state >> yet, so I can't provide contents of JAKC's Message Window. >> >> I absolutely don't know what now, how to return JACK to its previous >> working state. Can anyone help me? Many thanks in advance. >> >> Tomas Valusek >> >> > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: JACK keeps me frustrated
Hi If you click "Setup" in jackctl, you can save your presets, a very nice feature if you play around with the settings, and imho... it's a much better option than those "random" restore points. and remember... Linux is not windows ;-) Kind regards Sandie Tomas Valusek wrote: > Hello, > > I curse JACK - such a hostile piece of software, whose error messages > provide no help, stops itself working after mere editing of options > according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToJACKConfiguration > (first example, I happen to have the same sound card). > > The worst - I don't know how to return to previous working state other > from completely reinstall Ubuntu Studio from scratch ... If only Linux > had Restore points as WinXP does ... > > Unfortunately, I'm sending this mail from Windows, which is still my > main working OS, Ubuntu Studio didn't make it from experimentation state > yet, so I can't provide contents of JAKC's Message Window. > > I absolutely don't know what now, how to return JACK to its previous > working state. Can anyone help me? Many thanks in advance. > > Tomas Valusek > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: JACK keeps me frustrated
Tom- what hardware are you using? what distro are you using? Matt Tomas Valusek wrote: > Hello, > > I curse JACK - such a hostile piece of software, whose error messages > provide no help, stops itself working after mere editing of options > according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToJACKConfiguration > (first example, I happen to have the same sound card). > > The worst - I don't know how to return to previous working state other > from completely reinstall Ubuntu Studio from scratch ... If only Linux > had Restore points as WinXP does ... > > Unfortunately, I'm sending this mail from Windows, which is still my > main working OS, Ubuntu Studio didn't make it from experimentation state > yet, so I can't provide contents of JAKC's Message Window. > > I absolutely don't know what now, how to return JACK to its previous > working state. Can anyone help me? Many thanks in advance. > > Tomas Valusek > > -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users